[pigeon]

What if Romney turns into Ronald Reagan? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...election,_1984 I still don't understand, how did the guy, win by THAT much!

* Walter Mondale ran on the platform that raising taxes was a necessity and he would take the high ground by being honest about it. He was, guess what, a deficit hawk.
* He also favored a unilateral freeze on nuclear weapons.
* Mondale's VP pick was a woman. Remember, it was the 80s.
* The economy was starting to improve.
* Mondale wasn't a Southerner.
* He still got 40% of the vote.

So has their been talk of the CBO report? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...-fiscal-cliff/ This is really scary news :/

Well, this has been under discussion for a while now. Yes, if nobody acts on the tax cuts/sequestration, we're going to have a double-dip. But the deadline to act on them is after the election, so nobody's going to do anything until then.

[markatisu]

LOL @ that one map giving Romney the win, so Obama would win IA but lose OH, PA, and CO......no way in hell is that based in any sort of reality

[RDreamer]

Whoa

Even as Republicans try to distance themselves from Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) and his explosive comments about “legitimate rape,” more evidence has emerged linking Mitt Romney himself to the controversial doctor and anti-abortion activist behind Akin’s discredited claim that rape does not often result in pregnancy. Dr. John Willke, one of the founders of the anti-abortion movement and Akin’s source, told the Daily Telegraph today that he had a private meeting with Romney in Cincinnati last October. Willke said that Romney thanked him for his support and told him, “we agree on almost everything.” It was revealed earlier this week that Romney had also touted Willke’s support during his 2008 presidential campaign, even referring to him as an “important surrogate.” The Romney campaign declined to comment to the Daily Telegraph about Dr. Willke’s comments.

[Oblivion]

What if Romney turns into Ronald Reagan?

What if I slipped on a bar of soap?


Holy shit, I'd be killed! D:

[Drakeon]

Whoa

Maddow covered this tonight, hoping this catches on.

[TacticalFox88]

Whoa

Dems and Obama I only have one thing to say:

Take this and run with it like your life depends on it.

Politicians in decades past would've KILLED for political opportunities like this.

[Mario]

Dems and Obama I only have one thing to say: Take this and run with it like your life depends on it. Politicians in decades past would've KILLED for political opportunities like this.

Indeed. If Republicans think they can legitimately cite Bill Ayers and Rev Wright as reasons for concern, this becomes hard to defend against without sounding hypocritical. Again.

[Averon]

Indeed. If Republicans think they can legitimately cite Bill Ayers and Rev Wright as reasons for concern, this becomes hard to defend against without sounding hypocritical. Again.

The GOP stopped caring about sounding hypocritical years ago. Doesn't help that they media rarely calls them out on their hypocrisy.

[sc0la]

I admit I liked the NR article. It was absurd and bombastic and a mysoginistic but I LOLd several times.

[speculawyer]

Whoa

Here is a link the Press Release where Mitt tout's John Wilke's endorsement:
http://web.archive.org/web/200712271...rsement_Willke

Saturday, Oct 20, 2007 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Kevin Madden (857) 288-6390 Boston, MA – Today, Dr. John Willke, a founder of the Pro Life Movement, endorsed Governor Mitt Romney and his campaign for our nation's highest office. Dr. Willke is a leading voice within the pro-life community and will be an important surrogate for Governor Romney's pro-life and pro-family agenda. "Unlike other candidates who only speak to the importance of confronting the major social issues of the day, Governor Romney has a record of action in defending life. Every decision he made as Governor was on the side of life. I know he will be the strong pro-life President we need in the White House," said Dr. Willke. "Governor Romney is the only candidate who can lead our pro-life and pro-family conservative movement to victory in 2008." Welcoming Dr. Willke's announcement, Governor Romney said, "I am proud to have the support of a man who has meant so much to the pro-life movement in our country. He knows how important it is to have someone in Washington who will actively promote pro-life policies. Policies that include more than appointing judges who will follow the law but also opposing taxpayer funded abortion and partial birth abortion. I look forward to working with Dr. Willke and welcome him to Romney for President."

[ErasureAcer]

Here is a link the Press Release where Mitt tout's John Wilke's endorsement: http://web.archive.org/web/200712271...rsement_Willke

This is too easy. Quote featuring Akin supporting Willke or vice versa. Quote featuring Romney supporting Willke or vice versa. Run ad in every swing state. The End.

[AlteredBeast]

This is too easy. Quote featuring Akin supporting Willke or vice versa. Quote featuring Romney supporting Willke or vice versa. Run ad in every swing state. The End.

Not a dagger. You guys overestimate intelligence, memory, or the faculty to care amongst the voting public of America.

The posts are almost annoying.

[Phoenician_Viking]

Ever since i like Obama on Facebook i have been bombarded with awesome posts like this

[daedalius]

Ever since i like Obama on Facebook i have been bombarded with awesome posts like this

Yea, their messaging team didn't do a great job on this one...

[Opiate]

Not a dagger. You guys overestimate intelligence, memory, or the faculty to care amongst the voting public of America. The posts are almost annoying.

We are constantly reminded of the scandalous, incompetent nature of the Romney campaign through an endless stream of TPM and Thinkprogress links, as if to spell the end of Romneys election hopes.

And then you look at the polls and see that very little has changed over the last few months; Romney was slightly behind in June and hes slightly behind now. Very clearly, this stuff matters less than most people here think it does. Or should.

[el retorno]

The posts are almost annoying.

I wish things were that easy but people where talking about the "firms" ad like it ended the race (probably me included). Voters often tune this stuff out or distrust it. I think there should be ads about all of this stuff but its not going to end the race. Mitt's been getting hit like this forever and he's still somewhat close.

We are constantly reminded of the scandalous, incompetent nature of the Romney campaign through an endless stream of TPM and Thinkprogress links, as if to spell the end of Romneys election hopes. And then you look at the polls and see that very little has changed over the last few months; Romney was slightly behind in June and hes slightly behind now. Very clearly, this stuff matters less than most people here think it does. Or should.

This is why I like watching right wing and mainstream media (the nightly news) just to see how these things play there. Its a much different world than it is in this bubble.

[TacticalFox88]

We are constantly reminded of the scandalous, incompetent nature of the Romney campaign through an endless stream of TPM and Thinkprogress links, as if to spell the end of Romneys election hopes. And then you look at the polls and see that very little has changed over the last few months; Romney was slightly behind in June and hes slightly behind now. Very clearly, this stuff matters less than most people here think it does. Or should.

If the media actually DID ITS FUCKING JOB, then Romney's poll numbers wouldn't even be close to Obama's.

But they constantly want to play the narrative that this will be close when in reality it's not even near that.

[el retorno]

If the media actually DID ITS FUCKING JOB, then Romney's poll numbers wouldn't even be close to Obama's. But they constantly want to play the narrative that this will be close when in reality it's not even near that.

The media doesn't have that much sway in a lot of people's mind. Its not just a magic wand. Some people just believe this stuff.

Would it help? Yes. Would it change everything and make the race a landslide? Not even close.

[AlteredBeast]

If the media actually DID ITS FUCKING JOB, then Romney's poll numbers wouldn't even be close to Obama's. But they constantly want to play the narrative that this will be close when in reality it's not even near that.

Blaming the media is for the other side, buddy.

It is going to be reported by all the usual suspects. It might even get the point of overreporting...who knows? What I do know, however, is that there is no dagger in this or damn near any newsreporting.

You could have Romney, on tape, saying "I have always supported the idea that legitimate rape cannot result in pregnancy. It's science" and it would get a minor dip for like a week while he or whoever else would walk back the comment. Then, his numbers would go back up.

People don't care. The sooner everyone realizes this, the sooner you will all be much more

A)happier in life
B)disillusioned with the idea of an intelligent voting bloc
C) combination of both.

[Black Mamba]

for the most part, I agree with you AB. But if Romney did say that, it would be over.

This election is going to stay close at least until the debates. There, something may happen.

The economy isn't good enough to allow Obama to pull away and the GOP platform won't be killed in the mainstream media enough to matter.

[RDreamer]

We are constantly reminded of the scandalous, incompetent nature of the Romney campaign through an endless stream of TPM and Thinkprogress links, as if to spell the end of Romneys election hopes. And then you look at the polls and see that very little has changed over the last few months; Romney was slightly behind in June and hes slightly behind now. Very clearly, this stuff matters less than most people here think it does. Or should.

I think this stuff does matter. Romney's favorables in pretty well every poll are very low. The problem is that Obama has a low favorability too in them, because of attacks going on with the other side, and because the economy is low. This stuff does matter, and it's what's keeping Obama ahead. I'm not sure if you saw that odd prediction that everyone was laughing at earlier. Well wasn't that modeled mostly on economic reasoning? On purely economic grounds Obama should be dead in the water. Not because of his handling on the economy really, but because people tend to want things to get better and will vote someone else in as another alternative. Well, Romney's that alternative that should be winning this, quite handily. He isn't, and I think it's because these small things pile up. Yes not all of them make it into the mainstream and a normal person probably only heard of a handful of the things we post in here. But the more things happen the more people will hear that new little piece, and the more his favorability goes down. Yes the race is still close, but that's the economy.

[leroidys]

So if the female body naturally aborts a fetus if its from a rape-rape baby, then...


what is the difference getting it aborted at a clinic? The fertilized egg is terminated either way.

[Mario]

So if the female body naturally aborts a fetus if its from a rape-rape baby, then...

Akin's suggestion was there would be no fetus because a victim of rape-rape wouldn't get pregnant in the first place, wasn't it?

[Al-ibn Kermit]

^It was something about the body "shutting down" the conception process. I guess the uterus has a secret pouch of spermicide.

Blaming the media is for the other side, buddy. It is going to be reported by all the usual suspects. It might even get the point of overreporting...who knows? What I do know, however, is that there is no dagger in this or damn near any newsreporting. You could have Romney, on tape, saying "I have always supported the idea that legitimate rape cannot result in pregnancy. It's science" and it would get a minor dip for like a week while he or whoever else would walk back the comment. Then, his numbers would go back up. People don't care. The sooner everyone realizes this, the sooner you will all be much more A)happier in life B)disillusioned with the idea of an intelligent voting bloc C) combination of both.

I don't think you can expect any gaffe/flip-flop/controversy to cause a permanent dip in polls. The point is that you use this mistake along with several others in the couple weeks immediately before the election, remind voters of all the reasons not to vote for the candidate.

That is the best way to appeal to voters who are actually undecided.

[PhoenixPause]

Whoa

lol

Another week of abortion talk, a week after Medicare talk. And if we get a six digit job report in a couple weeks...

[Diablos]

At least he won't be a one-termer!

But it will make 2016 extremely hard for Democrats.

Ether Peggy Noonan's face at the 1:58 mark was priceless

WTF is she making that face for? Dude laid out the case. I see no issue with it. Ryan's budget plan is a crock of shit.

[speculawyer]

WTF is she making that face for? Dude laid out the case. I see no issue with it. Ryan's budget plan is a crock of shit.

She's thinking "This black man has too many facts. He needs to shut up. He is making me look bad."

[Aaron Strife]

Guys.

obama isn't losing fucking minnesota

[speculawyer]

You could have Romney, on tape, saying "I have always supported the idea that legitimate rape cannot result in pregnancy. It's science" and it would get a minor dip for like a week while he or whoever else would walk back the comment. Then, his numbers would go back up.

Yeah, I think you are right on this. It would cause a dip but it might be largely forgotten a week later.

But it would change a few people's minds. Many women & scientists would think . . . "No, he's fucking stupid and I'm not voting for him." But it would probably be a small effect.

[Cyan]

^It was something about the body "shutting down" the conception process. I guess the uterus has a secret pouch of spermicide.

Sort of. It's more like a cyanide pill like spies use. You know, where if they get legitimately caught, they can shut things down.

[Dude Abides]

Not a dagger. You guys overestimate intelligence, memory, or the faculty to care amongst the voting public of America. The posts are almost annoying.

It makes you wonder how many folks paid attention to politics before 2008.

WTF is she making that face for? Dude laid out the case. I see no issue with it. Ryan's budget plan is a crock of shit.

Paul Ryan, Serious Thinker is received Gospel amongst the vapid Beltway pundit class that Noonan exemplifies. ASs far as she's concerned Reed may as well have been talking about ancient aliens or Atlantis.

[PhoenixPause]

Paul Ryan, Serious Thinker is received Gospel amongst the vapid Beltway pundit class that Noonan exemplifies. ASs far as she's concerned Reed may as well have been talking about ancient aliens or Atlantis.

The partisanship was too much for her innocent ears to bear. Chuck Todd also looked less than amused.

Nothing says "serious" and "adult" like being willing to hurt lower and middle income people; I half wonder whether DC beltway types would cheer the return of slavery if both parties came to a bipartisan agreement on it. Yet in Ryan's case he has never really worked with democrats outside of Wyden, and that seemed more like Wyden giving the middle finger to democrats who removed his ideas from the health care bill. Ryan is a far right ideologue of the highest magnitude, and there is nothing centrist or forward looking about his deceptive budget.

Let the Bush tax cuts expire, bring the troops home, get rid of the income cap on Social Security/payroll taxes. Boom, the deficit becomes more manageable and SS is taken off the table. Of course none of that is sexy or "bold"

[Clevinger]

So apparently the president of Ireland doesn't like the Tea Party much.

[Marvie_3]

So apparently the president of Ireland doesn't like the Tea Party much.

Gotdamn

[Oblivion]

[img]http://i47.************/2a79bvs.jpg[/img]

So apparently the president of Ireland doesn't like the Tea Party much.

Saw that months ago, dude is pretty fuggin awesome.

[Black Republican]

August 23, 2012 - Ryan Micro-Bump In Florida, Wisconsin, But Not Ohio, Quinnipiac University/CBS News/New York Times Swing State Poll Finds

Wisconsin - Obama 49 - Romney 47 (Down from 51-45)

Florida - Obama 49 / Romney 46 (Down from 51-45)

Ohio - Obama 50 / Romney 44 (unchanged from last month)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...in;contentBody

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/sw...s?ref=politics

Obama hits 50% in all 3 states on who would be better for health care

Wisconsin -Obama - 50 - Romney 44
Florida - Obama - 51 - Romney 43
Ohio - Obama - 51 - Romney 43

Better Job on Medicare

Wisconsin - Obama 51 - Romney 42
Florida - Obama 50 - Romney 42
Ohio - Obama 50 - Romney 41

Ohio The Buckeye State remains in Obama's column, the poll shows. The president leads Romney, 50 percent to 44 percent, identical to his lead in the previous poll, in late July. Two percent support another candidate, and 4 percent are undecided. Both candidates are at nearly 95 percent among members of their own parties, while Romney has a slight edge among independents, 48 percent to 43 percent. Romney's lead among male voters is just 2 percentage points, 48 percent to 46 percent. But that does not counterbalance Obama's double-digit advantage among women, 54 percent to 41 percent. Romney leads Obama among white voters, 52 percent to 43 percent, including a 53-40 lead among white voters without a college degree. But Romney remains unpopular in Ohio. Just 39 percent of likely voters have a favorable opinion of him, while 45 percent view him unfavorably. Obama, on the other hand, is viewed favorably by 51 percent and unfavorably by 45 percent.

http://nationaljournal.com/2012-pres...onsin-20120823

Ohio is still uh oh for Romney it seems.

[The Chosen One]

Whoa

Meh.

For starters, Romney has flip flopped so hard on almost every issue does anyone really believe that he genuinely agreed with this guy on "almost everything"? Romney is bereft of any core convictions, so he was probably just paying this guy some lip-service so he could appeal to certain segment of voters. Now if Paul Ryan was found to have close connections with this guy, it would be different because Ryan actually drinks the KoolAid and has attempted to pass extreme abortion legislation.

Secondly, there's no strong imagery or sound bite to go along with this. There's no tape so far of Dr. Willke whipping a crowd into an anti-abortion frenzy. There's no national interview of him using the words "legitimate rape" to neatly tie the strings together with Akins comments. Mittens did send out a pretty strong press release endorsing him, but again it's still just a press release and it's 4 years old. In Mitten's terms, 4 years is equal to 16 policy permutations. And there's no video footage of Romney explicitly endorsing this guy's specific views on abortion. I honestly think Romney's interview with Mike Huckabee casually endorsing those personhood laws is more damaging than any of the above things. And that still hasn't gotten much traction lately.

[Clevinger]

Wisconsin - Obama 49 - Romney 47 Florida - Obama 49 / Romney 46 Ohio - Obama 50 / Romney 44 (unchanged from last month) http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...in;contentBody http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/sw...s?ref=politics

You left out Colorado - Romney 50 / Obama 45

edit: Wait, is that Colorado part on the NYT page from an older poll? I guess it is. But I don't see it listed on Nate's site, so maybe it's new.

[codhand]

We are constantly reminded of the scandalous, incompetent nature of the Romney campaign through an endless stream of TPM and Thinkprogress links, as if to spell the end of Romneys election hopes. And then you look at the polls and see that very little has changed over the last few months; Romney was slightly behind in June and hes slightly behind now. Very clearly, this stuff matters less than most people here think it does. Or should.

The Obama campaign is rock solid so far. The headline on Drudge Report yesterday was about how Obama is attending a fundraiser with NBA star Carmello Anthony, (yes, that's a conservative's idea of scandulous incompetence).

The state polls are rather steady, but looking at most any important qualitative poll, Obama is up. IE, likabilty, handling terrorism, women's issues (+28), ability to handle medicare, and a 22 point lead on "caring about average people".

[gcubed]

So Obama's consistent Ohio numbers seem to move that out of tossup.

[Four_Chamber]

So apparently the president of Ireland doesn't like the Tea Party much.

Holy smokes. Well along with Kasim Reed, I found another politician I really like.

The polls all look real good right now. Still have a lot of work to do, gotta close it out now. We'll see how it looks after the DNC, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Ohio has stayed consistently with Obama in most/all polls which is key.

[Black Republican]

You left out Colorado - Romney 50 / Obama 45 edit: Wait, is that Colorado part on the NYT page from an older poll? I guess it is. But I don't see it listed on Nate's site, so maybe it's new.

its the new poll released today, my bad i forgot to put the date on.


But yeah Ohio, Romney camp needs to just campaign there throughout the last 3 months or he's toast, Bain attack ads probably did the damage there the most

[codhand]

Gotdamn

:_)

[XenodudeX]

How the hell is Obama winning Florida, but losing Colorado?

[Clevinger]

How the hell is Obama winning Florida, but losing Colorado?

I have no idea, but maybe Rove's superpac is focusing a lot on Nevada and Colorado during the summer, and planning on moving on to the more important swing states closer to the election. That's a big maybe though. I imagine Rove has so much superpac money that he can just throw money at every swing state willy nilly.

[Krauser Kat]

So apparently the president of Ireland doesn't like the Tea Party much.

Reddit brought this to my attention and he was fantastic.

I wish our political discourse was more like this. I want to watch c-span showing politicians from both sides with with a scotch in hand debating the actual bills and yelling at each other until shit gets done.

[codhand]

I wish our political discourse was more like this. I want to watch c-span showing politicians from both sides with with a scotch in hand debating the actual bills and yelling at each other until shit gets done.

This is what happens now, except the scotch is in a flask in their suit jacket.

I keep listening to that Higgins smack-down, so good.

[Souldriver]

Reddit brought this to my attention and he was fantastic. I wish our political discourse was more like this. I want to watch c-span showing politicians from both sides with with a scotch in hand debating the actual bills and yelling at each other until shit gets done.

Not that I disagree, but that video isn't showing anyone debating "the actual bills", it's people denouncing each others ideology. There's enough of that in our politics already.

Being passionate about your views is a good thing in politics as it makes for interesting discussion and gets people's attention. But more than that, American politics need more factual debate, like you said, talking about the numbers and policies... which was not in the video.

[daedalius]

So apparently the president of Ireland doesn't like the Tea Party much.

Wow. That guy is pretty awesome.

[pigeon]

How the hell is Obama winning Florida, but losing Colorado?

I'd be interested to see a breakdown on Colorado. I theorize it's related to Aurora and gun control.