[CrankyJay]

Get NCsettings on there asap! You'll wonder how you ever lived without it.

How do I get the bar to go to the very top of my notifications?

edit: nvm i got it

[border]

Guess we're just going to disagree on this. That sounds more like an old MS attitude, not an Apple attitude.

If pressed I don't think you could name any currently deployed or near-deployed technology that would have been as game changing as the Retina display. When you're on a 1-year product cycle, sometimes you just have to stick with improving rather than revolutionizing.

Lumia 920 is garnering a ton of buzz and is debuting a still-fresh OS with several UI and feature improvements/additions, in addition to new technology. The image stabilization/low light performance alone could potentially be a killer feature, if it works as well as advertised demonstrated.

Nobody in the real world cares that much about even demonstrable improvements in the camera. Anyone that does owns a proper camera. That's kind of why some here called it a geek phone -- it's mostly about refinements to things only enthusiasts care about. Some of those refinements may actually be quite huge leaps, but they are in areas that just aren't that sexy or exciting. It may be the best camera in any cell phone ever, but most people really don't care about having the best camera ever -- what's offered by competitors is already adequate.

If Apple had come out with exactly the same camera improvements the Wall Street Journal would still be saying the iPhone 5 is boring.

The iPhone 5 is on the cover of every newspaper in America......that kinda puts things in perspective when you defend the Lumia by saying it is "generating buzz".

[mrklaw]

I would call it predictably refined. Plus some jerk moves to make you rebuy more stuff. And a couple of questionable design decisions that make it less usable than before in some circumstances.

Yes. Frankly after the insane success of the original and follow ups, it's inevitable that speed of development cannot continue. I think that's good for the market too. People will actually see that behind the gloss,apple is a real company and their products are just metal and glass like everyone else.

[Interficium]

Guys remember all those other phones that were called iPhone killers and had "TONS 'O BUZZ" before they were released and when they put them next to an iPhone in a spec matrix all the check boxes were underneath the not-iPhone and those phones ended up being released and killing the iPhone?

[Grinchy]

It's amazing to think that phones have fanbases.

[Interficium]

It's amazing to think that phones have fanbases.

It's considerably less amazing than game consoles having fanbases, actually.

[astroturfing]

IMO all new smartphones that have come out in the past year or two are boring, and so are the ones that are coming out in the next year or two (well i'm just guessing, but i'm probably right).

i'll be interested when there is some HUGE jump in technology, in the meanwhile i'm content just having a phone that can i use to browse the web, listen to music, take photos/video, use a map service etc. iphone 5 or galaxy s3 or whatever don't seem to add any significant new functionality, for me.

[Flo_Evans]

all in 1080p ?

yeah? why don't you look it up dude http://www.apple.com/appletv/

[Tobor]

It's amazing to think that phones have fanbases.

Considering there have been fanbases for desktop computers for 30 years, why is it amazing to see fanbases for handheld computers?

[Anton Sugar]

The iPhone 5 is on the cover of every newspaper in America......that kinda puts things in perspective when you defend the Lumia by saying it is "generating buzz".

Guys remember all those other phones that were called iPhone killers and had "TONS 'O BUZZ" before they were released and when they put them next to an iPhone in a spec matrix all the check boxes were underneath the not-iPhone and those phones ended up being released and killing the iPhone?

I'm assuming you two are getting defensive because you thought I was implying the 920 will top the iPhone. I was addressing border's quick-to-judge comment that the 920 will be an also-ran. This topic isn't about iPhone vs everything else--it's about the iPhone 5 playing it safe at a time when there just happen to be other phones out on the market with newer, more innovative features and technology. The 920 will be an also-ran if the only metric is a sales comparison, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have the potential to be one of the best phones on the market.

The iPhone 5 will dominate everything in sales--I said it earlier and I'm repeating it now. The 920 is not an iPhone killer, and no phone will likely be an iPhone killer anytime within the next five years. However, just because the iPhone is destined to be successful doesn't mean that Apple isn't playing it a little too safe. It's okay to criticize Apple--I WANT Apple to succeed and to drive the market forward. The iPhone 5 doesn't do that.

[mrklaw]

IMO all new smartphones that have come out in the past year or two are boring, and so are the ones that are coming out in the next year or two (well i'm just guessing, but i'm probably right). i'll be interested when there is some HUGE jump in technology, in the meanwhile i'm content just having a phone that can i use to browse the web, listen to music, take photos/video, use a map service etc. iphone 5 or galaxy s3 or whatever don't seem to add any significant new functionality, for me.

This is true too. Pretty much all smartphones (even low end ones) have reached the basic threshold for keeping people connected to the web and their friends. What else is really needed?

[badcrumble]

until they do some thing major with iOS then it will always seem boring to tech fans Unfortunately they wont because the masses don't care about OS changes, they like familiarity. In fact its quite hard to see where apple go from here, it cant get any lighter/thinner now can it? Have the reached an imac like plateau?

Eh, there'll always be annual speed bumps and (hopefully) battery life improvements, not to mention storage bumps, at the very least. And miniaturization is always improving.

[Izick]

And you know what I noticed about you? Pretty much every single post you've made follows the above meme you just stated. Literally the last several posts I've seen from you have been the exact same thing. Yeah, we get that's what you believe. But it look like you're trolling repeating it ad-nauseum, in every single thread you enter. Anyone making multiple negative threads on a single product/topic in a very short period of time would be questioned/called out, don't you think? I would certainly hope so. It's called spamming.

I do not think that means what you think it means.

It's stupid that whenever someone calls out anything Apple does that's shitty or even mediocre, they in turn just get screamed down by the thousands of people who will hear nothing negative about them, and instead the people get labeled "bitter" or "salty," which basically devolves the thread into name-calling.

The worst part about Apple products, just like Portal or Call of Duty, are its fans. (Albeit for different reasons.) In the case of Apple, nothing they do can be wrong, no new product can't be mind-blowing, etc.

[Interficium]

This is true too. Pretty much all smartphones (even low end ones) have reached the basic threshold for keeping people connected to the web and their friends. What else is really needed?

Nanomachines.

[twofold]

This is true too. Pretty much all smartphones (even low end ones) have reached the basic threshold for keeping people connected to the web and their friends. What else is really needed?

I've been wondering that myself. Stuff like haptic feedback and pico projectors are going to be interesting features but I'm not going to go crazy over them. Better cameras are about the only thing I can think of but I don't want to have to sacrifice the small form factor to accommodate them.

I guess we'll see what happens.

[Formosa]

I am pretty disappointed.

[Anton Sugar]

The worst part about Apple products, just like Portal or Call of Duty, are its fans. (Albeit for different reasons.) In the case of Apple, nothing they do can be wrong, no new product can't be mind-blowing, etc.

It's funny, because COD fans fall back on the "but it's still the king!" as a defense, too.

Nothing is beyond criticism. There is plenty to criticize about Windows Phone, but MS knows they at least need to try something different, and they are.

That's what is so irksome about this "but there is no way to innovate right now--if there was, Apple would be doing it. There isn't though, so they just need to refine!" shit. It's like Apple didn't become famous/successful for...thinking differently.

[xavi42]

The iPhone 5 is the best choice for anyone's grandmother. Nice, safe, and boring.

[border]

I'm assuming you two are getting defensive because you thought I was implying the 920 will top the iPhone.

My point is more that "generating buzz" is not indicative of much. The Lumia is in your estimation a much larger push forward in technology, yet it's fallen way short of the iPhone in terms of buzz generation. Relative to the rest of the Lumia line the 920 seems to be getting a lot of positive press but even the next Nexus unveiling will probably be more covered.

It's okay to criticize Apple--I WANT Apple to succeed and to drive the market forward. The iPhone 5 doesn't do that.

I just don't think there's anything they can really do to "drive the market forward" at this moment, and your characterization of them as a company that does such a thing is based on a false sense of their motives. You say it's not very Apple of them, but how many of their phones were really risky and ground-breaking? And how many technologies and features were they almost dead last to adopt? They waited for 3G, they waited for LTE, they waited for 3rd party apps, they waited for copy/paste, they waited for multitasking, they waited for Push Notifications -- they completed held out on supporting Adobe Flash, despite defiant screams and laughter from the Android crowd. All of those things were pretty killer features, and by comparison having to wait for tiddlywink stuff like NFC and wireless charging is pretty tame.

Yes, they are a company that can step in and revolutionize an industry with their unique thinking. But at the same time, they can also be very conservative about adopting new technologies. They wait until there is an implementation that is perfect, compromising neither the user experience nor the battery life (nor their profit margins, to be fair).

[gatti-man]

couldn't bring myself to order it. I'm waiting for the gs4 I guess :(

[Copernicus]

Poor Apple, they've lost The Verge's sword.

THE MP3 PLAYER MARKET IS DEAD, AND APPLE DOESN'T SEEM TO KNOW HOW TO MOVE ON

http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/14/33...tch-revolution

[AstroNut325]

Poor Apple, they've lost The Verge's sword. http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/14/33...tch-revolution

Um... what revolution?

I really need to stop going to the Verge.

[zephervack]

Poor Apple, they've lost The Verge's sword. http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/14/33...tch-revolution

This article is spot on, why the hell didnt they just release a watched size nano with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth that serves as a notification service for the iPhone, I would have bought it in a second.

[twofold]

Poor Apple, they've lost The Verge's sword. http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/14/33...tch-revolution

I usually agree with Nilay but I think he missed the mark with that one. I don't buy that people care about smartwatches, either. I haven't worn a watch since I got my iPhone 2g and I don't miss it at all.

[eastmen]

yeah? why don't you look it up dude http://www.apple.com/appletv/

i have , about a year and a half ago and apple tvs only did 720p . Seems like they are finally catching up

[Izick]

A watch nano with bluetooth earbuds would have been fucking amazing. Could have been awesome for a gym device I think; that's the only way I would have been happy with a new touch-screen based nano.

The new one is absolute dogshit though without the ring of control. 4th and 5th gen Nano's are still the best out there. Too bad they don't have enough space though; I was looking forward to possibly getting a new Nano, but no way now.

[Lord Error]

Guys remember all those other phones that were called iPhone killers and had "TONS 'O BUZZ" before they were released and when they put them next to an iPhone in a spec matrix all the check boxes were underneath the not-iPhone and those phones ended up being released and killing the iPhone?

Galaxy series was one of those, and it's doing really well now.


I like iphone 5, but it does feel boring for someone who's owned an iphone for a few years now. I was really hoping for it to have NFC. Almost every place I shop at in Canada supports PayPass now, so i could practically not carry my wallet anymore if it supported that :( This and the completely different looking UI of Lumia 920 are what makes it very attractive to me. It's a heavy phone though, and I'm sure it won't feel as 'luxe' in your hand.

[eastmen]

I usually agree with Nilay but I think he missed the mark with that one. I don't buy that people care about smartwatches, either. I haven't worn a watch since I got my iPhone 2g and I don't miss it at all.

why would people care about dedicated mp3 players either ?

If you need to bring something to your gym your smart phone + wireless head phones would make more sense .

[Tobor]

This article is spot on, why the hell didnt they just release a watched size nano with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth that serves as a notification service for the iPhone, I would have bought it in a second.

Who says they can't do both? Maybe they saw the trend with the Nano watch straps and are going to work on a separate watch.

[Anton Sugar]

Poor Apple, they've lost The Verge's sword. http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/14/33...tch-revolution

Why all the changes? According to insiders, Apple reworks the nano every few years to kick off a cycle of upgrades — the $150 nano is an impulse buy holiday present that almost makes it seem like you care about the recipient. "It's a new iPod nano!" you say to your giftee. "It indicates my hope that something shiny will distract you long enough for me to escape without having to feel any genuine emotions in this situation."

Damn--what the hell did Apple do to the Verge??

[twofold]

why would people care about dedicated mp3 players either ? If you need to bring something to your gym your smart phone + wireless head phones would make more sense .

I think dedicated mp3 players have their place.

I have an iPod classic filled up with 70gb (and growing..) of music - I need a dedicated mp3 player to hold that much.

For the gym, I think the sansa clip is arguably the best mp3 player around.

It's tiny, cheap and has great sound quality. You don't need to fork out a ton of money for wireless headphones, either.

[border]

I don't doubt that Apple is working on a watch accessory, but there's probably a lot of issues to be dealt with. There'sthe issue of making a screen that's visible in sunlight, and the level of interactivity they want. Being able to read text messages is cool, but there's no point unless you can respond to them. So now you have to include a microphone. There's probably debate as to whether it'd be an full-on iOS device with its own Apps.....or just a closed, locked-down system like the current nano.

[Dapperk]

Damn--what the hell did Apple do to the Verge??

I doubt they'd ever give an Apple flagship product that kind of criticism. I'm actually surprised they went after the Nano with that much venom, does anyone even care about it?

It's tiny, cheap and has great sound quality. You don't need to fork out a ton of money for wireless headphones, either.

Assuming you aren't looking for audiophile quality, bluetooth headphones have gotten pretty cheap.

[Cipherr]

Damn--what the hell did Apple do to the Verge??

They were disappointed by the conference. They made that much preeeeeeetty clear from the on site stream. The two articles they wrote about the Nano and the iPhone 5 being so predictable and 'safe' are pretty tame TBH. After watching them rail on the conference a bit in that Vergecast, I expected a bit worse.

[eastmen]

I think dedicated mp3 players have their place. I have an iPod classic filled up with 70gb (and growing..) of music - I need a dedicated mp3 player to hold that much. For the gym, I think the sansa clip is arguably the best mp3 player around. It's tiny, cheap and has great sound quality. You don't need to fork out a ton of money for wireless headphones, either.

i have a zune hd that i use in my car , when i'm in the gym i use my phone. I normaly just stream stuff or listen to podcasts and bluetooth headphones cost me $75 bucks. I can't imagine that thing costing much less

[Interficium]

Galaxy series was one of those, and it's doing really well now.

I'm assuming you meant to finish that sentence with "...except for the small detail of costing Samsung 1 billion in legal settlements for trade dress violations."

[Copernicus]

Damn--what the hell did Apple do to the Verge??

I think their sources have started trolling them. Between the Amazon Phone and their reaction to the Apple conference they seem rather jaded.

[The Faceless Master]

Damn--what the hell did Apple do to the Verge??

nothing, just iVerge reverse trolling for hits.

[Izick]

I cared about the Nano. I use my 5th gen Nano every day, and it's still the best standalone MP3 player for the gym.

EDIT: Don't forget that The Verge was the site that ended the liveblog with the blogger saying he was going to "fuck the shit out of that phone," or something along those lines.

[Interficium]

EDIT: Don't forget that The Verge was the site that ended the liveblog with the blogger saying he was going to "fuck the shit out of that phone," or something along those lines.

Games Tech Journalism

[Lord Error]

I'm assuming you meant to finish that sentence with "...except for the small detail of costing Samsung 1 billion in legal settlements for trade dress violations."

They made a smart choice there to copy Apple wherever they could. 1B is a small price to pay for what they've eventually accomplished.

[Paradoxal_Utopia]

They made a smart choice there to copy Apple wherever they could. 1B is a small price to pay for what they've eventually accomplished.

Yup.

http://pandodaily.com/2012/08/25/cop...off-in-spades/

Good read. Compares the different strategies to see which one payed off.