[thirty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5A...e_gdata_player

Anyone hear about this or watch? Long but interesting. Ties a lot of things together. 2012? Age of Aquarius or upcoming world war because of debt that no nations will ever pay back? That ones mine not necessarily what the movie is about :-)

Http://www.thrivemovement.com

[KHarvey16]

"STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING, sit down, and watch this film! No REALLY, I mean it. This is one of the most IMPORTANT films I’ve seen…Thrive brings together the New Energy and Occupy movements in a coherent, well constructed synergy that EVERYONE should see NOW!" -Mark Heley, Blogger

Well shit if Mark Heley the blogger thinks it's good how could we possibly argue.

[akachan ningen]

I saw it. if this tube torus is so amazing, then why hasn't anybody made anything revolutionary with it?

some of the stuff in the movie is true though. it's a shame the rest is all hearsay and guesses.

[thirty]

Mark heley :bow no ones made anything because they keep getting shut down by the profit makers.

[saunderez]

Mark heley :bow no ones made anything because they keep getting shut down by the profit makers.

Which in itself is completely ridiculous seeing as though the "profit makers" would profit off these new technologies.

[Kurdel]

Mark heley :bow no ones made anything because they keep getting shut down by the profit makers.

What does this even mean?

1% keeping you from making the next iPhone?

[Speevy]

I think I stopped watching when he flew away into space.


If you want me to take you seriously, don't fly away into space.

[thirty]

What does this even mean? 1% keeping you from making the next iPhone?

How are the oil companies, hell any energy company going to make money if energy becomes unlimited? Humankind would be free to do so much more with life but instead they'd rather keep us trapped in debt.

[KHarvey16]

I dismissed this as really dumb, but then I read a bit of the research section and realized I made a mistake. It's really, really, really, really dumb. Imagine a magical language toroid spinning out an endless number of really's there.

[thirty]

Gotta get rid of those Monsanto frankenseeds

[TimeEffect]

Not even going to watch and safely assume it's mostly bullcrap.

[ThoseDeafMutes]

How are the oil companies, hell any energy company going to make money if energy becomes unlimited?

Fucking thermodynamics, how does it work?

[KHarvey16]

Not even going to watch and safely assume it's mostly bullcrap.

To make you feel much more secure in the choice you've made, I'll quote just two words from the website:

Covert de-population

And no, the following sentence did not read "...is not happening."

[macuser1of5]

Fucking thermodynamics, how does it work?

I don't know.


They won't let me know.

[Forever]

How are the oil companies, hell any energy company going to make money if energy becomes unlimited? Humankind would be free to do so much more with life but instead they'd rather keep us trapped in debt.

Fishing for a tag quote?

[Kosmo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5A...e_gdata_player Anyone hear about this or watch? Long but interesting. Ties a lot of things together. 2012? Age of Aquarius or upcoming world war because of debt that no nations will ever pay back? That ones mine not necessarily what the movie is about :-) Http://www.thrivemovement.com

I'm kind of hoping this is our plan in the US - what would other nations do if we just said "Eh, fuck it, we're not paying that back."

[DECK'ARD]

What's the braincells destroyed per minute count?

Conspiracy videos should always come with that rating to decide if it's worth watching for the curiosity value.

[ConfusingJazz]

Here is a fun game, just skip randomly around the video for 2 second clips, everything about it is amazing. The banks are stealing...Corporations are evil...Aliens are...Harmonious infinite energy.

EDIT: Also, fantastic credits music, absolutely fantastic.

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I'm kind of hoping this is our plan in the US - what would other nations do if we just said "Eh, fuck it, we're not paying that back."

Sever business ties, embargoes, refuse to lend money ever again etc.

[Shark Johnson]

Here's a little pro-tip for you guys: If you come across a film given away for free on Youtube that chronicles some conspiracy or promises to uncover the "truth" about what's really going on, it's a crock of bullshit.

It's a pretty good racket. Pretend to expose the elite and play into the fears of the common man. You produce a decent-looking documentary and give it out for free to make them believe it really is for their betterment but then you tell them to spread the word by donating large sums of money, purchasing overpriced DVDs, soundtracks, clothing and future "truth" documentaries. It's all disgusting and if these events were really happening and as serious as they're presented, why would the elite bogeymen allow them on one of the biggest websites in the world?

[Alphahawk]

How do these conspiracy movies attract audiences who are not drinking the Kool-Aid already?

[ConfusingJazz]

You produce a decent-looking documentary and give it out for free to make them believe it really is for their betterment but then you tell them to spread the word by donating large sums of money, purchasing overpriced DVDs, soundtracks, clothing and future "truth" documentaries.

Damn straight!

What on Earth does it take to thrive
Come together and stand for lifeeeee
*bitchin' violin solo*

[MasterOfPastures]

But guys... what if they WANT you to think that this is bullshit? What if... YOU are the men in black helicopters!

[DECK'ARD]

Here's a little pro-tip for you guys: If you come across a film given away for free on Youtube that chronicles some conspiracy or promises to uncover the "truth" about what's really going on, it's a crock of bullshit. It's a pretty good racket. Pretend to expose the elite and play into the fears of the common man. You produce a decent-looking documentary and give it out for free to make them believe it really is for their betterment but then you tell them to spread the word by donating large sums of money, purchasing overpriced DVDs, soundtracks, clothing and future "truth" documentaries. It's all disgusting and if these events were really happening and as serious as they're presented, why would the elite bogeymen allow them on one of the biggest websites in the world?

Hiding in plain sight man!

That's just what they want you to think.

[Orayn]

How do these conspiracy movies attract audiences who are not drinking the Kool-Aid already?

They catch plenty of gullible fence-sitters who might agree with a few of the underlying messages and don't have enough knowledge of science to know when the claims are nonsense.

[B-Dubs]

But guys... what if they WANT you to think that this is bullshit? What if... YOU are the men in black helicopters!

Shit they're on to us! This is Bravo-Delta, Wing Command do you copy? There is a turd in the punch bowl, I repeat there is a turd in the punch bowl.

[Conciliator]

Yeah, there's a lot of people out there doing a lot of thinking, but just don't have a perspective that includes critical thinking, awareness of propaganda and how it works, awareness of the scientific method and history and why they're important, etc.. They get drawn in by this stuff, and most of them as far as I'm concerned are victims. They just don't know any better. Most people don't, and it's not really entirely their fault.

From what this looks like, this particular twist underlines another powerful trick of stuff like this...the tragically romantic idea that Utopia is the natural human state, and the only reason that's not currently true is because Powerful People are being Evil. The only reason why you're not happy, fulfilled, satisfied, successful, etc., is because the elite(corporate or governmental, take your pick) is holding you down.

This is, of course, not to say that corporate and government corruption are not massive, international issues that result directly or indirectly in the suffering of billions of people. Just that things aren't quite so simple and probably don't involve aliens/perpetual motion.

BTW, how is it that the Federal Reserve somehow is to blame for everything in every movie like this?

[Orayn]

Yeah, there's a lot of people out there doing a lot of thinking, but just don't have a perspective that includes critical thinking, awareness of propaganda and how it works, awareness of the scientific method and history and why they're important, etc.. They get drawn in by this stuff, and most of them as far as I'm concerned are victims. They just don't know any better. Most people don't, and it's not really entirely their fault. From what this looks like, this particular twist underlines another powerful trick of stuff like this...the tragically romantic idea that Utopia is the natural human state, and the only reason that's not currently true is because Powerful People are being Evil. The only reason why you're not happy, fulfilled, satisfied, successful, etc., is because the elite(corporate or governmental, take your pick) is holding you down. This is, of course, not to say that corporate and government corruption are not massive, international issues that result directly or indirectly in the suffering of billions of people. Just that things aren't quite so simple and probably don't involve aliens/perpetual motion. BTW, how is it that the Federal Reserve somehow is to blame for everything in every movie like this?

It's just so much less satisfying to think that the world's ills come from simple human failings like selfishness, ignorance, irrational hatred multiplied by seven billion people. The idea that you can pin it all on a very small group of people and blame them for absolutely everything is a powerful narrative that resonates with people more than the dry, boring, technical truth, not unlike believing that humans are the deliberate creation of an all-powerful, all-knowing deity rather than the product of evolution.

[Conciliator]

It's just so much less satisfying to think that the world's ills come from simple human failings like selfishness, ignorance, irrational hatred multiplied by seven billion people. The idea that you can pin it all on a very small group of people and blame them for absolutely everything is a powerful narrative that resonates with people more than the dry, boring, technical truth, not unlike believing that humans are the deliberate creation of an all-powerful, all-knowing deity rather than the product of evolution.

Yup. Truth is frequently boring and often not very satisfying.

[Ether_Snake]

Sever business ties, embargoes, refuse to lend money ever again etc.

Nah, cause everyone would say "Hey, if the US won't, neither will we! High five!", but the financial elite that pretty much directs politics will never do that.

[sinxtanx]

It's presented in a concise, explanatory way, I'll give him that.

Mixing truth with wishful thinking, though, is another entirely different matter.

[Timedog]

I'm kind of hoping this is our plan in the US - what would other nations do if we just said "Eh, fuck it, we're not paying that back."

The video can't be worse than this post, can it???

[B-Dubs]

The video can't be worse than this post, can it???

Are we just considering that one post or Kosmo's entire posting history?

[thirty]

Why? What would happen if everyone did that? Fuck it we have no choice but for everyone to reset to zero.

[LCGeek]

They catch plenty of gullible fence-sitters who might agree with a few of the underlying messages and don't have enough knowledge of science to know when the claims are nonsense.

What is enough knowledge? How do you even quantify such a statement. This ignores that there are some in the community who have phds and peddle some of this bullshit.

[Fisticuffs]

what the hell? why peeps gotta be so cray cray!?

[Kurdel]

Just checked out bits of that video. Holy shit it's dumb.

I mean, what the fuck? Do you believe in any of this OP?

[Trouble]

I skipped the opening and started to watch. He completely lost me when he brought up 'universal energy'. This is some new-age pseudoscience bullshit.

[Alphahawk]

Let me just add that I am not clicking the video and adding to the guy's view count.

[Apophenia Overload]

Zeitgeist and its sequels weren't enough for you guys?

[industrian]

I'm kind of hoping this is our plan in the US - what would other nations do if we just said "Eh, fuck it, we're not paying that back."

Lenin did this upon taking over Russia. The thought process being something along the lines of "the Russian Empire no longer exists so it's not our debt any more" amidst other Marxist rhetoric. Considering that the Russian Empire had 10+ billion roubles of foreign debt and the UK and France were effectively bankrolling the Russians to stay in WW1 (something that Lenin stopped as well) you would be right in assuming that a few people got pissed off.

The end result was the UK, USA, France and 11 other countries invading Russia during the Russian Civil War with the intent of restoring the pro-Tsarist forces. When that didn't work out the west just held a staunch anti-Soviet mentality until the USSR was invaded by Germany.

[Hypnotoad]

Haha, reminds me of a colleague in University who liked to talk about politics. Some of the things he said reminded me of Zeitgeist, so I asked him what he thinks of that. He just dryly said: Its my bible.

From that day, I never had the urge to talk politics with him again.

[CF_Fighter]

Oh lord they bring out the ex-military people who all worked with armed nuclear missiles and had experience with UFO encounters.

[Pixels]

Oh lord they bring out the ex-military people who all worked with armed nuclear missiles and had experience with UFO encounters.

CONFIRMED REAL!

[Timedog]

Whenever I see this stuff on the Federal Reserve and how banks only have to hold 10% of deposits and have the ability to loan out the rest, there's always a claim like "money is debt" or how because of this we're "debt slaves", but I don't understand the reasoning (even if faulty) behind those statements.

[Tesseract]

LOL

[Timedog]

David Icke is, believe it or not, making a lot of sense right now. Halfway through.

[CF_Fighter]

The one thing I will give this film over "Zeitgeist" is the ending is actually optimistic. An image of a good world that could be if we take the right measures. Also it doesn't attack religion like "Zeitgeist" does.

[Tesseract]

i'm hungry for donuts.

[Riggs]

Film starts out insanely bat shit crazy. It gets better half way through.