[C4Lukins]

Dude, what? Apocalypse Now is Coppola's real masterpiece.

Godfather, Godfather 2. the Conversation, even shit like Rumble Fish, Peggy Sue or The Outsiders, fuck Apocalypse Now... Who does that relate to? Someone who served in Vietnam while taking acid???? I have nothing on that film. A fantastic explosion and the last great moment from a great actor, and the first great moment from another actor.

[Scullibundo]

Most people fail to remember the most heart-wrenching scene in SPR. That is of course when Ribisi's character is describing how he used to pretend he was asleep when his mum came home from work and just wanted to talk to him.

[C4Lukins]

Most people fail to remember the most heart-wrenching scene in SPR. That is of course when Ribisi's character is describing how he used to pretend he was asleep when his mum came home from work and just wanted to talk to him.

For me the hardest scene is when Ribisi is telling his friends how to take care of him while he knows he is dying. And then he straight up asks them to put him down. That and the Vin Diesel scene. Man that movie has some moments. Oh and the straight up dagger to the heart while the one guy is watching from a few feet away. The slow dive of the dagger where he is all "no lets reason this out"..... That was an amazing scene. Great damn film.

[Black Mamba]

Regarding the historical event, Black Book should be mentioned as a good offering.

Haven't seen it in years, though.

[C4Lukins]

Regarding the historical event, Black Book should be mentioned as a good offering. Haven't seen it in years, though.

Well the movie is only a few years old, but yeah I really enjoyed it. Typical Verhoeven but done so well. My favorite film of his and that is saying a lot.

[jimi_dini]

Yeah, that was obviously the point the film was making. Or maybe, JUST MAYBE it was furthering its theme of war not offering the luxury to do 'the decent thing', but to follow orders, because that is what will get you home.

Then they could have had a least one German that was frightened or unable to shoot or something like that. Some little sign that says "the other side are humans, too and not all of them are evil bastards". As far as I know (haven't watched it for ages) it showed all Germans as somewhat totally evil non-human enemies. And the own side as the great, nice heroes, that are that kind enough to let an enemy live. And that's not what war actually is. I mean shooting the German the first time would have been realistic, which would have actually happened. Him begging for life, then shooting him point blank into his head. But then this would have left a bitter taste, I guess.

That's what I "like" about Platoon.

Also why not the other way round as well. Some Germans capture an American, he begs for his life, Germans don't shoot him and he kills them afterwards.

[Megalodactyl]

"ITS IMPORTANT BECAUSE REASONS"

Is what I got from you OP.

[Scullibundo]

Then they could have had a least one German that was frightened or unable to shoot or something like that. Some little sign that says "the other side are humans, too and not all of them are evil bastards". As far as I know (haven't watched it for ages) it showed all Germans as somewhat totally evil non-human enemies. And the own side as the great, nice heroes, that are that kind enough to let an enemy live. And that's not what war actually is. I mean shooting the German the first time would have been realistic, which would have actually happened. Him begging for life, then shooting him point blank into his head. But then this would have left a bitter taste, I guess.

Yeah, man. I know. If only Saving Private Ryan had scenes like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtEOOgg5CP4#t=6m40s

[C4Lukins]

"ITS IMPORTANT BECAUSE REASONS" Is what I got from you OP.

Well other people during the course of this thread have extended the argument.

[Megalodactyl]

Well other people during the course of this thread have extended the argument.

But I want to know why it's important to the OP, It's a moving and well made piece of film, I like it alot, I just want to know what makes it so special to him that it's the single most important film in his life.

[jimi_dini]

Yeah, man. I know. If only Saving Private Ryan had scenes like that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtEOOgg5CP4#t=6m40s

Like I said, haven't watched the movie for ages. Anyway, those 2 people speak French, not German. Supposingly French people, that were forced to help the Germans as soldiers.

[Scullibundo]

Like I said, haven't watched the movies for ages. Anyway, those 2 people talk French, not German.

Please tell me you're not trying to say what I think you're trying to say. Because I have no idea why you would bring that up from the linked video.

[C4Lukins]

But I want to know why it's important to the OP, It's a moving and well made piece of film, I like it alot, I just want to know what makes it so special to him that it's the single most important film in his life.

Well you will not find a defender in me. I think it is a really good movie, but no......

[jimi_dini]

Please tell me you're not trying to say what I think you're trying to say. Because I have no idea why you would bring that up from the linked video.

I saw the linked 5 seconds scene, I can't watch the whole movie now. And those 2 soldiers speak French. Maybe they are Germans, that try to trick them by speaking French. Idk. But it definitely sounds like French, not German. So they either shot 2 french people or 2 german people, that tried to trick them. In either case, you are ignoring my point. That not all Germans were bad and/or supported the Nazis. And I also doubt that every German in WW2 was a cold-blooded killer. Sure many of those "weak" men were probably shot by other Germans. I also don't think that there were no Germans, that switched sides. Just watch Sophie Scholl, to see some Germans, that did not support Nazis and even did things against them (and were then killed later by Nazis).

Anyway, I was talking about the scene with the German outside of any crazy combat scenario (as far as I remember). And 2 soldiers surrendering, after shooting lots of other guys, is just not the same as some soldier, that didn't kill anyone and then gets shot by his own or by soldiers of the other side.

If I would have been alive at that point and if I would have been a German, I sure as hell wouldn't have supported it at all. I would have maybe tried to go awol. I would definitely not have shot anyone. Maybe I would have been shot by Nazis. Or maybe I would have been shot by Americans. Or maybe I would have survived, but I doubt that.


And I'm sorry, if I offended anyone. I didn't want to. Just try to understand my point. That's why I like "Schindler's list" way more. Because it shows that not all Germans were Nazis and evil people. And that not all Germans supported Nazis.

[C4Lukins]

Please tell me you're not trying to say what I think you're trying to say. Because I have no idea why you would bring that up from the linked video.

Nevermind that stupid thing that the other person said. You are not defending Saving Private Ryan as the most important film ever made. It is not even in the top 5 Spielberg films ever made. So let it go.

[Black Mamba]

Well the movie is only a few years old, but yeah I really enjoyed it. Typical Verhoeven but done so well. My favorite film of his and that is saying a lot.

i thought it was done earlier than '06 for some reason. Man, it's the only movie he's done in the last 12 years!

I really like to see non-US films take on the era as a contrast.

[DeFiBkIlLeR]

Saving Private Ryan...

I remember that, it's the film where Spielberg rewrites WWII history by ignoring the contributions of other countries on DDay isn't it, thereby leading to a generation of Americans believing no one but themselves contributed anything of worth to the fight.

[C4Lukins]

i thought it was done earlier than '06 for some reason. Man, it's the only movie he's done in the last 12 years! I really like to see non-US films take on the era as a contrast.

Just looked it up, 2006. Makes me feel old. He is an awesome director. I am a little pissed that it has been 6 years. What has he been up to? Have you seen the new horrible Robocop?

[Dead Man]

Godfather, Godfather 2. the Conversation, even shit like Rumble Fish, Peggy Sue or The Outsiders, fuck Apocalypse Now... Who does that relate to? Someone who served in Vietnam while taking acid???? I have nothing on that film. A fantastic explosion and the last great moment from a great actor, and the first great moment from another actor.

What the fuck am I reading? Gah, this thread has broken me. Fuck humanity.

[Megalodactyl]

Saving Private Ryan... I remember that, it's the film where Spielberg rewrites WWII history by ignoring the contributions of other countries on DDay isn't it, thereby leading to a generation of Americans believing no one but themselves contributed anything of worth to the fight.

Bingo.

[C4Lukins]

Saving Private Ryan... I remember that, it's the film where Spielberg rewrites WWII history by ignoring the contributions of other countries on DDay isn't it, thereby leading to a generation of Americans believing no one but themselves contributed anything of worth to the fight.

No that is silly. Super silly.

Saving Private Ryan focuses on a platoon. Not only that, but the film is not focused on winning the war. It is about a dozen Americans trying to save one guy. The film is not at all about winning the war.

We are all aware that Russians, and specifically the UK being hard ass mother fuckers helped win the war. We did it together. Saving Private Ryan is not about winning the war. The people depicted in that film all died and were not part of one of the famous conflicts of the war outside of the D-Day intro.

[C4Lukins]

What the fuck am I reading? Gah, this thread has broken me. Fuck humanity.

Use your words.

[Salvor.Hardin]

Godfather, Godfather 2. the Conversation, even shit like Rumble Fish, Peggy Sue or The Outsiders, fuck Apocalypse Now... Who does that relate to? Someone who served in Vietnam while taking acid???? I have nothing on that film. A fantastic explosion and the last great moment from a great actor, and the first great moment from another actor.

Speaking of drugs, son, are you high?

[C4Lukins]

Saving Private Ryan... I remember that, it's the film where Spielberg rewrites WWII history by ignoring the contributions of other countries on DDay isn't it, thereby leading to a generation of Americans believing no one but themselves contributed anything of worth to the fight.

Jesus Christ what is wrong with you. The film focuses on like ten people, on a fictional journey during World War 2. It does not ignore the British it simply focuses on a very specific group of characters. Hitler is not involved either, and Tom Hanks does not save the Jews from the Holocaust....

Every American who keeps up with World history and World War 2 is super in love with what the UK did during World War 2. And we are embarrassed that our government took so long to do the correct thing.

The UK saved the world from hell because they balled up. Just because American cinema focuses on our own heroes does not mean that we forget that you fuckers were the original bad asses.

[Copernicus]

Earn your premise OP....earn it.

Beautiful.

[Solo]

My reaction to this thread title: the fuck?!

[catfish]

The most important film is the first porn I ever watched. Think about it.

I can still remember. Army Bratz staring Jamie Summers. That was quite a headtrip for an 11 year old.

[Scullibundo]

Nevermind that stupid thing that the other person said. You are not defending Saving Private Ryan as the most important film ever made. It is not even in the top 5 Spielberg films ever made. So let it go.

What the fuck are you talking about? Where was I ever even suggesting it was the most important film ever made?

This whole thread is full of stupid. We've got people claiming TTRL and Apocalypse Now are garbage. Then I've got that shmuck telling me that Spielberg paints the Americans as saintly heroes and Germans as cardboard villains. Then when I post a video that destroys that claim, somehow he gets to talking about how he think the guys in the German uniforms are French locals.

I'm out.

[magicstop]

In terms of my personal viewpoint of history on the US, World War II the most relevant event that has occurred. Saving Private Ryan is the most relevant film in regards to that event that has come out.

If WWII is the most important event that has occurred for you, then you are living in the past. Very important and a game changer? Sure. But done and done. Time to get relevant.

[AdventureRacing]

No that is silly. Super silly. Saving Private Ryan focuses on a platoon. Not only that, but the film is not focused on winning the war. It is about a dozen Americans trying to save one guy. The film is not at all about winning the war. We are all aware that Russians, and specifically the UK being hard ass mother fuckers helped win the war. We did it together. Saving Private Ryan is not about winning the war. The people depicted in that film all died and were not part of one of the famous conflicts of the war outside of the D-Day intro.

Jesus Christ what is wrong with you. The film focuses on like ten people, on a fictional journey during World War 2. It does not ignore the British it simply focuses on a very specific group of characters. Hitler is not involved either, and Tom Hanks does not save the Jews from the Holocaust.... Every American who keeps up with World history and World War 2 is super in love with what the UK did during World War 2. And we are embarrassed that our government took so long to do the correct thing. The UK saved the world from hell because they balled up. Just because American cinema focuses on our own heroes does not mean that we forget that you fuckers were the original bad asses.

The post was so bad you had to respond twice!

[seventynine]

You forgot the "l". Link doesn't work otherwise. But you're right -- I just read it, and it's a pretty funny write-up.

Thanks, belatedly fixed now.

[derder]

Medal of Honor: Allied Assault. Grand-daddy of the EA MoH series. And yes, the game did a very good job of it.

The first time I played that level; I finished it, paused, and restarted it.

[C4Lukins]

What the fuck are you talking about? Where was I ever even suggesting it was the most important film ever made? This whole thread is full of stupid. We've got people claiming TTRL and Apocalypse Now are garbage. Then I've got that shmuck telling me that Spielberg paints the Americans as saintly heroes and Germans as cardboard villains. Then when I post a video that destroys that claim, somehow he gets to talking about how he think the guys in the German uniforms are French locals. I'm out.

Yeah the thread is full of stupid. I just looked back over it and I quoted you when I meant to quote someone else. It got all crazy, someone brought out the glow worm, and things got really silly.

[C4Lukins]

The post was so bad you had to respond twice!

I had all sorts of arguments going on at once in multiple threads. Lets not focus on who killed who.

[Exile550]

But it's not even the best WWII movie that year.

Was going to post this. My ALL TIME favorite movie. Influence a lot in my life.

[Klendathu Club Owner]

Yeah, man. I know. If only Saving Private Ryan had scenes like that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtEOOgg5CP4#t=6m40s

I can't access the video right now, but I think I know the scene you're referring to. These soldiers attempting to surrender (or some of them) apparently were supposed to be Czechs.

http://www.sproe.com/c/czech-officer.html

[ToxicAdam]

High Fidelty had a huge influence on my life. I was in my late 20's at the time and just serially dating women, with zero intentions of settling down. After watching that, I realized that I needed to grow up and develop a stable relationship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnkrIObJqpk

[Dissonance]

Man, no love for Bridge on the River Kwai for best WWII film? :(

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Man, no love for Bridge on the River Kwai for best WWII film? :(

It takes place during World War II, but it's not really a "war film" in the same sense that, say, Paths of Glory or Apocalypse Now is. It's more about the power struggle between the Japanese and British commanding officers.

Then again, The Thin Red Line isn't really a "war film" either, for that matter. Still, The Thin Red Line is probably the best movie of the 1990's, or in the top ten, at the very least, so it doesn't really matter.

[richiek]

Nothing about that film glorifies war.

Francois Truffaut once stated that it's impossible to make an anti war film, because the depiction of the battle scenes will always excite and rile up the audience. It's also telling that SPR heavily influenced the aesthetic of video games such as Medal of Honor and Call of Duty.

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Francois Truffaut once stated that it's impossible to make an anti war film, because the depiction of the battle scenes will always excite and rile up the audience. It's also telling that SPR heavily influenced the aesthetic of video games such as Medal of Honor and Call of Duty.

He was, in a larger sense, wrong, because A) a film can be anti-war even if the battle scenes are well-done and exciting (see Paths of Glory), and B) a film doesn't have to show scenes of battle to be anti-war.

Edit: I refrain to comment on Saving Private Ryan, however. I've had the discussion too many times before.

[SCHUEY F1]

Band Of Brothers made SPR irrelevant.

Pretty much this.

[teruterubozu]

Saving Private Ryan created the Call of Duty generation.

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Jesus Christ what is wrong with you. The film focuses on like ten people, on a fictional journey during World War 2. It does not ignore the British it simply focuses on a very specific group of characters. Hitler is not involved either, and Tom Hanks does not save the Jews from the Holocaust.... Every American who keeps up with World history and World War 2 is super in love with what the UK did during World War 2. And we are embarrassed that our government took so long to do the correct thing. The UK saved the world from hell because they balled up. Just because American cinema focuses on our own heroes does not mean that we forget that you fuckers were the original bad asses.

Notice how he hasn't responded to the posters who quoted him? Because you're right. The entire point of the movie was a group of soldiers to find Ryan and bring him home.

[Dissonance]

It takes place during World War II, but it's not really a "war film" in the same sense that, say, Paths of Glory or Apocalypse Now is. It's more about the power struggle between the Japanese and British commanding officers. Then again, The Thin Red Line isn't really a "war film" either, for that matter. Still, The Thin Red Line is probably the best movie of the 1990's, or in the top ten, at the very least, so it doesn't really matter.

True. Well if we're including stuff like Paths of Glory and Apocalypse Now and going beyond just WWII, my favourite war film would be La Grande Illusion. Even though one could make the argument that it's not an actual war film but only uses the war as a backdrop for social commentary.

[JB1981]

He was, in a larger sense, wrong, because A) a film can be anti-war even if the battle scenes are well-done and exciting (see Paths of Glory), and B) a film doesn't have to show scenes of battle to be anti-war. Edit: I refrain to comment on Saving Private Ryan, however. I've had the discussion too many times before.

You are such a Malick fanboy :p

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

You are such a Malick fanboy :p

If I were a Malick fanboy, I'd defend the opening and closing of The Tree of Life.

[diffusionx]

SPR is a good movie, but it's basically pro-war propaganda that helped spawn the obnoxious "greatest generation" myth. I hate SPR.

[Count Dookkake]

We got to watch the opening scene of SPR in basic. The anti-war sentiment was not noticed.

Later on, we were allowed to watch WE WERE SOLDIERS.

[JB1981]

SPR is a good movie, but it's basically pro-war propaganda that helped spawn the obnoxious "greatest generation" myth. I hate SPR.

It honors the soldiers' sacrifice whilst making war look like absolute hell. Just not seeing how it's pro-war propaganda.