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(09-22-2012, 05:17 AM)
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#652
Yeah I really don't get it. Not really to hot on the direction of a company for my gaming needs but wouldn't mind investing, and watching from a different perspective this gen but It's horrible. To make it more fair I wouldn't buy a ps4 or next box either if they pulled the same thing but funny enough I wouldn't invest in Sony or ms either if they tried what nintendo is trying lol. Only nintendo can pull this kinda thing off. It's annoying and interesting at the same time.
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all my loli wolf companions are so moe
(09-22-2012, 05:19 AM)
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#653
See that's the point I'm trying to make. |
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(09-22-2012, 05:23 AM)
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#654
Basing a prediction of the market performance of the 360 on the original xbox would have been folly.
Same for basing a prediction of PS3 on PS2. And a prediction of the Wii based on the gamecube. Expecting a new set of consoles to fall into line with the last is just crazy when that is the exact time that all platform owners and developers invest in new software, new IP, new markets, new strategies, new marketing, new peripherals, all with the intention of doing better this time around. I genuinely don't see what the problem is with WiiU. It won't make AAA action games with guns and swords go away or stop being developed for better hardware and down-ported to it even if it does become the market leader, which I absolutely wouldn't want to hazard a guess at until all 3 new machines were out. If anything, so far we've seen a stronger commitment to getting those kind of games on WiiU in addition to the usual quirky Ninty stuff, but who knows, maybe that'll fade with time when the other machines come out, maybe the whole tablet thing is what everyone will go mad over for a few years. Maybe Kinect2 will become the new Wii and we'll all just bitch about that instead. Making predictions at this point is just crazy when we don't even know enough about Nintendo's system to have an idea of even a third of the factors in play.
Last edited by redcrayon; 09-22-2012 at 05:28 AM.
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(09-22-2012, 05:25 AM)
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#655
No "dudebro" love here, as much as I find the term idiotic.
Still, japanese games would surely get a wider audience if they got rid of the childish anime fan crap. Bayonetta had nice gameplay but absolutely embarassing aesthetics. |
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(09-22-2012, 05:31 AM)
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#656
I have a similar complaint.
If it weren't for the console 360/PS3 versions, we might have gotten a decent Dragon Age out of Bioware. Of course, one could argue that Bioware was going downhill already... But it also seems likely that developing a game for simultaneous release on a console affected it as well. |
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(09-22-2012, 05:38 AM)
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#657
The difference is that nintendo haters don't have a clue what they're talking about, most of the time are 13 year old newbies who don't know tech and simly don't like nintendo art-style.
Unfortunately You can see many people expecting WiiU to have all kinds of heat issues like X360 just because it's HD, just wow. There a reason it's easy to be a PS360 hater because both of these had so much issues, We all know how hard PS3 is to developers, just the hardware design, on the X360 side you have RROD, online costs, unstable hardware, disc scratching, HDD ripoffs ..etc etc When WiiU releases it will be the best console ever, the question if the PS4/720 beat that will be in reliability, stability, quality of design. Hardware power cannot be regarded as valid factor, because it's subjective, it's a matter of choice not effort or ability, Ofcourse I didn't even mention 5 other factors, may discuss this more later.
Last edited by Stewox; 09-22-2012 at 05:40 AM.
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Shounen Iconoclast
(09-22-2012, 05:44 AM)
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#658
Bayonetta wasn't aesthetically like an anime at all. Neither are most popular Japanese games outside of Dragon Quest.
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(09-22-2012, 05:45 AM)
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#659
This generation I've spent more time on simple stuff like Cave Story, Super Meat Boy, Etrian Odyssey and Fire Emblem than everything else combined. Seeing as all of those games would have been possible in the 80s (and I played and enjoyed their spiritual predecessors back then) It just leads me to conclude that power and storytelling techniques can advance all they like, I'm perfectly happy playing the simple stuff I was playing 20 years ago. I'm still not bored of it, and there are still games to make like that that remember they are games in all their pixellated silly glory rather than the gradual move towards photo-realistic graphics. My favourite gaming advance that the technology has allowed is the download services putting all that stuff at my fingertips, whether it's on mobile, tablet, portable, console and PC, not the latest beautiful game world. Sure I loved Skyrim and Mass Effect too, but I don't see gaming as getting 'better' because of the visuals, in the same way that a modern action film isn't intrinsically better than one made in the 40s just because the sets look less wooden, the script is simpler, and more stuff blows up in the first five minutes. Another great thing about smaller and older games having more channels to customers is that it caters to everyone- people that don't care about graphics like me still invest in the same powerful consoles but for different reasons- the only reason I'd pick up a 360 again is for the arcade/indie titles, and the legacy range of Nintendo's consoles is getting pretty big these days. Shame it's not all available, but still.
Last edited by redcrayon; 09-22-2012 at 05:53 AM.
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(09-22-2012, 05:46 AM)
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#661
guys im going to quit video games if there aren't more triangles on the screen next generation
In regards to the discussion at hand, namely the graphical output of a machine, an argument can very easily be made that the progress of the artform is nearly independent of the technology, moving forward. Any game made could be rendered on current tech. The hardware only dictates how pretty it will be. What's entirely subjective is what constitutes the artform of video games. I am very much in the camp that game design and fun are ultimately the defining characteristics of video games. Better graphics can make something objectively better, but beyond a certain point, are not crucial for a masterpiece to be considered just that.
Last edited by Littlegator; 09-22-2012 at 05:52 AM.
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(09-22-2012, 05:51 AM)
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#663
The Wii U is starting out with better support , but really no one knows if it will be the main third party console or not. I think it will need a game like Darksiders 2 or ZombiU to sell 2 to 5 million ( fat chance for both) for any kind of strong third party support to happen in the West and even then the console still might not get the support.
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(09-22-2012, 05:53 AM)
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I'm finding an interesting trend at work where almost everyone I talked to had no idea the wiiu existed or what it was about, even after I tried explaining the game pad and the wiiu vision as a whole...they just couldnt see it...Almost reminds me of the stealth sega launch scenario...A couple comments really struck me, the first; "Wii is gay". In other words this guy has been burned by the wii branding before and no amount of reasoning or educating about the differences from wii to wiiu could reach him. Sorry Nintendo, you may have lost some of the hard core set with your past console. The second comment was; "oh, so they're trying to do what sony's doing with ps3 and vita". For these guys, their current hd console may be enough for them already as xbox will have smart glass and sony can already emulate what Nintendo is doing. In a round a bouts way I guess I'm saying this upcoming gen is still anyones ball game, there's already a certain mindset or stigma attached to the wii line, and for many...welp, they're confused as to why they'd add a wiiu to their hd family of home consoles. I think in some ways that it was Nintendos execution with the wiiu unveiling that shot themselves in the foot, it was kinda anticlimatic when you remember how the wii was handled. If only the wiiu was backwards compatible with wiis hype train... |
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all my loli wolf companions are so moe
(09-22-2012, 05:56 AM)
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#666
Also Bayonetta's aesthetics ain't anime (she'd be terrible in anime due to her size and proportion). It's based on super model sketches. |
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(09-22-2012, 06:01 AM)
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#668
A lot of people are going to burn hot at this, but if you're embarrassed by Bayonetta, you may be taking your video games too seriously. And may be terminally unable to Get The Joke. Western video games are just as absurd by any 'intellectual' (more likely pseudo-intellectual) standards. The difference is that their tropes are merely safe and familiar, thus nearly invisible, to a new generation of western geeks. |
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(09-22-2012, 06:04 AM)
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#669
Console games are pretty locked in on joypads to having left stick- movement, right stick-camera, d-pad=secondary menu etc, and I sometimes wonder if that's why so many action games feel so similar to each other. I appreciate that randomly changing the 'fire' button to 'down' on the d-pad wouldn't be good just for the sake of change, but I wonder if it ever limits the imagination of developers that they have to conform to that stuff or the playtesters won't 'get it'. Customisable controls really should be standard too. |
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(09-22-2012, 06:07 AM)
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#671
If Wii U doesn't dominate, the entire industry will have to hang up its jacket. Yeah yeah doom and gloom, but the roads MS and Sony are headed down seemingly lead to ruin (if not immediately, then not long afterwards), leaving only Nintendo and PC. I'm at least half serious.
But hey, THISISNEOGAF.gif and all that No really, what do I know |
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all my loli wolf companions are so moe
(09-22-2012, 06:08 AM)
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#672
While I find moe dumb I also find the bland, gritty male equally dumb as well. That's why I'm still baffled as to why people think Jensen is a great character. He's boring as a brick, his voice is like something is stuck in his throat, and his aesthetics screams of "look at me, I'm cool!" Contrary to say, Vashyron. |
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(09-22-2012, 06:12 AM)
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(09-22-2012, 06:15 AM)
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#675
Seriously.
Your delusion about the Wii and its impact is amusing. Also, "japanese nonsense" is the best in the industry, and in fact created this industry. Protip: These are all separate platforms. Idiots can combine the three, but I assure you that Sony and Microsoft don't consider themselves on the same team. |
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(09-22-2012, 06:17 AM)
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#676
Anime games are aimed at the Japanese teenagers, where gamers tend to be younger than the Western players. They tend to have low budgets as they realise the market is small. Western shooters are aimed at guys brought up on a media diet of war films and TV shows and would also sell better worldwide to other countries if they didn't flog a continual narrative of US/UK troops shooting German/middle eastern/Russian/Asian people in the head. Budgets are big as practically every Westerner born since WWII has been raised watching that stuff. I grew up watching war films and reading about all that stuff too, WWII/the cold war etc, and nowadays reading the news about action in Afghanistan etc. It's just cultural shorthand to us, familiar, safe and also looking slightly weird and obsessive to outsiders.
Last edited by redcrayon; 09-22-2012 at 06:24 AM.
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(09-22-2012, 06:28 AM)
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#677
Personally, games that don't take themselves too seriously >>> stuff like Killzone 3. Oh man, Killzone 3, easily my most cringe worthy moment in gaming. There's a reason I avoid those games in the first place.
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(09-22-2012, 06:31 AM)
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#678
This has probably already been said, but those complaining about multiplatform games next gen being up-ported from Wii U holding back the PS4/720, are basically making the same complaints that PC gamers are making now whenever they blame the 360 and PS3 for holding back their platform of choice. Last gen I don't remember many people complaining that the PS2 held back the Xbox and Gamecube (okay maybe the Gamecube camp had its outspoken voices). In fact there were quite a few games last gen developed specifically between Xbox/PC that ended up being markedly worse on the other two consoles.
Up-porting from the lowest common denominator and most popular console is simply the best solution for the largest amount of consumers. Going the other way around is likely to result in more examples like the console version of Battlefield 3. It'd be nice if every down-port could get the same treatment as The Witcher 2, but that just ain't gonna happen. Sales and probably profits as well. |
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(09-22-2012, 06:32 AM)
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(09-22-2012, 06:33 AM)
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#681
Do you play games to play good games or do you play games to witness advancements in tech? I would reassess my priorities, if I were you. The most important thing is a diverse, quality library. If the Wii U can approach anything comparable to a PS2 or even PS1 like experience "next gen" (this gen?), that's reason to celebrate.
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(09-22-2012, 06:34 AM)
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#682
Is it that incredibly bad in English? There's no way I'm going through that game again, in any language. "Just look at how serious this game is! People are cursing, and characters died! It's almost like the movies, guys!".
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(09-22-2012, 06:35 AM)
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#683
I also don't think WiiU will sell as well as the Wii (it was the right product at the right time) but assuming that gamers won't buy good games when Ninty seem to have gone out of their way in the last year or so to secure a reasonable line-up seems a bit odd. If anything, we might see Nintendo move towards the middle ground as MS goes for the casual market with Kinect 2- perhaps the audience that Nintendo lost to the smartphone market will flock back to the next 360, who knows, certainly not me! :D |
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(09-22-2012, 06:37 AM)
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#684
I wouldn't know, I didn't play KZ3 because it's boring to me. But from what I've seen it's a lot of guys shouting stuff and "raw" emotions.
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(09-22-2012, 06:40 AM)
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#686
Threads like this one remind me so much of Bob Dylan's 1966 tour, what with the whole "Judas, I won't buy anymore of your records" stuff.
I don't believe you. You're a liar. PLAY FUCKING LOUD. Great post, as always.
Last edited by Killer Yakuza B; 09-22-2012 at 06:50 AM.
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(09-22-2012, 06:44 AM)
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#688
I've been wrong before, but I don't think the technological difference will feel as big this time. It doesn't seem like graphic technology's advanced quite as much in the last 5-7 years as it did in the prior period of time, everything will be in 720p at the least, and going by the ram (and even the more conservative GPU guesses) Nintendo isn't simply going for parity with what the rival did but actively surpassing by a significant margin. And frankly, I don't think it matters at all for consoles, Japanese games would likely flock to it while disregarding PC, while 90%+ of the PC games will also see PC release anyway so you can have your stupidly nice looking version there instead.
Mind, I've also been pretty big on handhelds this generation. Technical level doesn't matter enough to me unless it actively feels like it's constraining the game, IE Last Story's erratic frame rate, and going by a solid chunk of recent 360/PS3 releases it's going to happen on the high end consoles anyway. |
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(09-22-2012, 06:49 AM)
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#689
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(09-22-2012, 06:49 AM)
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#690
I only played it because my brother rented it. I said "why not?". Well, it was pretty clear why not afterwards. My absolute least favorite flavor of gaming.
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(09-22-2012, 06:53 AM)
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#691
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(09-22-2012, 07:01 AM)
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#692
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(09-22-2012, 08:45 AM)
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#695
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(09-22-2012, 09:11 AM)
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#700
My PC is hooked up to my 52" 1080p LG TV in my living room via HDMI, it boots instantly into Steam's Big Picture Mode, and everything's accessible and playable from my couch using my wireless 360 controller.
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