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Baki
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(01-11-2013, 07:32 PM)
Update 3: Durango specs updated (GPU & OS)
Update 2: PS4 & Durango updated
Update 1: PS4 & Durango rumours summarised.

http://www.vgleaks.com/orbis-roadmap/

VGLeaks has released a product roadmap for ORBIS "PlayStation 4" citing the product lifecycle beginning as early as 2011.

2011 June/July – PC with Win7 64-bit and a “jailbroken” ATI r9 graphics card
2011 Sept/Oct – PC with Win7 64-bit and a “jailbroken” ATI r10 graphics card
2012 Q1 – disclosure to more developers
2012 E3 – potential unveiling window start
2012 Jul – devkits for engineers writing OS
2012 Q3 – first true hardware prototype devkits
2013 E3 – potential unveiling window end
2013 Q4 – launch

The full article is at the URL posted at the top.

PS: Any idea what "Jailbroken" means with respect to the article?

EDIT: Thanks to sTeLioSco for finding this! :P

EDIT 2: Rumour Round Up:

PS4 "Orbis"
- AMD x86 3.2GHz APU Solution (Jaguar/Steamroller), 4 cores (2 core pairs), [Higher Clock than X720/Durango]
- Maybe AMD 8000 series GPU solution [Customised Solution Possibly utilising GPU + APU combo] (1.84 Tflops)
- 2-4GB GDDR5
- Launch Fall 2013/Early 2014

Explanation: PS4 has a higher clock, but less cores and is using an APU solution (CPU & GPU elements combined onto a single chip). The PS4 has less RAM but is using faster GDDR ram, so the overall performance should be a wash.

For more information, Jeff Rigby's rumour roundup.

Xbox 720 "Durango"
- AMD x86 Jaguar 1.6GHZ 8-Core [Targeting one core being dedicated for OS tasks]
- AMD 8000 series GPU, 1.23 TFlops
- ESRAM on the GPU (unknown amount)
- 8GB Ram DDR3, [1.5GB of RAM likely reserved for the operating system]
- Launch 2013

Link
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...=#post46199593
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=1546

Explanation: 720 has a lower clock, but more cores. 720 has more but SLOWER RAM. DDR3 RAM is usually good for things like multitasking etc....It is expected to be based on Windows 8 as well.

Note: GDDR ram is more suitable for Graphics Processing (In PS4), and DDR3 is more suitable for OS Tasks (720). It is expected that the 720 may need some sort of ES/ED Ram to compensate. Basically, don't get caught up in the RAM size but the RAM type.

Note 2: Until OS features etc... are revealed. Nothing concrete can be determined BUT at this point, we can assume both systems would have similar performance.

Update: Added some more info regarding PS4, because apparently my OP makes the PS4 look like shit and has caused confusion hahaha

Some useful explanation about the RAM for non-techy GAF:

Originally Posted by gofreak

Just as a side note, the memory setup would be in keeping with the philosophy a Sony VP outlined in a presentation a little while back.

He explained that their opinion was that high bandwidth was a key to rendering performance.

He outlined the PS2 approach - relatively high bandwidth to a relatively small amount of memory.

The PS3 approach - relatively 'medium' bandwidth to a larger amount of memory.

And then said for the future they want the best of both: relatively high bandwidth to a relatively large amount of memory.

I think 4GB-200GB/s would be in keeping with that philosophy.

Microsoft's philosophy, if rumours are true, is obviously different. Relatively small bandwidth to a LARGE amount of memory + high bandwidth to a relatively small amount of memory.

Either could opt for what the other is doing so I think they're both sincerely looking at their own requirements and what developers are asking of them. They've probably come across a lot of various opinions...satisfying all of them would be impossible. Sony was probably told very resoundingly, though, that 2GB was too little, hence the change.

What I'm curious about in Microsoft's case is the talk of Windows 8 and the suggestion that their box might almost present a games machine and a custom W8 'PC' type experience in parallel, each with dedicated resources, perhaps substantial resources for the latter relative to a normal console OS. It would make sense to opt for larger memory over faster memory if that goal is a core one.

Originally Posted by androvsky

What do you mean by the OS? Any game will have a lot of OS calls, whether it be to the networking stack during any online game, the drives, the controller, probably even the GPU. Putting those parts of the OS in a different and much slower part of memory will cause games to grind to a screeching halt every time there's an OS call. Going lower-level on OS functions like threading and memory management makes it even more critical that it's in higher speed RAM.

If you mean background media apps (like Music Unlimited for your custom soundtracks, like on Vita), then the rumored special media processing chip(s) (I'm tempted to just refer to it as the Cell) will likely handle most of the grunt work while the memory-hogging app front-end could be swapped to local storage while it's in the background.

The main thing that's going to be tough is having a browser loaded all the time.

Update 2:

Sony First Party Teams (That are likely to be working on Launch Titles):

Originally Posted by DevilWillcry


Guerrilla Games (Last major game was KZ3 in early 2011)
Sucker Punch (Last major game was Infamous 2 in mid 2011)
Naughty Dog (Last major game was Uncharted 3 in late 2011)
Evolution Studios (Last major game was MS:Apocalypse in mid 2011)

Then you also have Sony developers who are likely already working on PS4 titles but are not as far along as the above studios:

Polyphony Digital (Last major game was GT5 late 2010)
-This studio is notorious for having ridiculously long development cycles.

Sony Santa Monica (Last major game was GOWIII in early 2010)
-Stig and team #1 has been rumored to be working on a new IP since GOWIII released.

Media Molecule (Last major game was LBP2 in early 2011)
-They are also developing Teraway for PSVita

Of course, this is all based on when these studios last shipped PS3 games along with knowledge regarding how many teams each studio has as well as the timing of previous output from these studios.

EDIT:
Not to mention wildcards like Team ICO moving The Last Guardian to PS4 similar to Ico going PS1->PS2. There are also many "second party" deals Sony likely has in place with studios like Quantic Dream and Insomniac for PS4.

Last edited by Baki; 01-17-2013 at 04:37 PM.
Proelite
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(01-11-2013, 07:33 PM)
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IMO VGLeaks does an awesome job, they've have a good track record so far.
Ahasverus
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(01-11-2013, 07:34 PM)
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NeoGAF is on fire today!!
diamount
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(01-11-2013, 07:34 PM)
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I'm more interested in where they got this information.
Sethos
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(01-11-2013, 07:34 PM)
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Seems legit
Zaventem
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(01-11-2013, 07:34 PM)
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woah!!!!!!! 2013 clash of the titans?
Baki
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(01-11-2013, 07:34 PM)

Originally Posted by Proelite

IMO VGLeaks does an awesome job, they've have a good track record so far.

2 1/2 years sounds like a long enough time for launch software. :P
gundamkyoukai
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(01-11-2013, 07:35 PM)
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I guess we going to get some new info soon .
IHaveIce
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(01-11-2013, 07:35 PM)
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Q4 2013? That late? :(

edit: fuck I'm tired and confused hahah
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metalslimer
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(01-11-2013, 07:35 PM)
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MS vs Sony Q4 2013. Someone is going to get burned.

Q4 2013? That late? :(

What? Did you expect a Saturn announcment?
Baki
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(01-11-2013, 07:36 PM)
Will there be a PlayStation meeting in January?
Phoenician_Viking
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(01-11-2013, 07:36 PM)
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2013 launch confirmed then?
XtremeXpider
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(01-11-2013, 07:36 PM)
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2012 E3 potential unveiling window start
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2013 E3 potential unveiling window end

We are near...
Crawl
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(01-11-2013, 07:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by IHaveIce

Q4 2013? That late? :(

Q4 is what september through december? Dont think thats late.
Orayn
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(01-11-2013, 07:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by IHaveIce

Q4 2013? That late? :(

When else would you expect?
theman5141
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(01-11-2013, 07:37 PM)
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I would be led to believe that "jailbroken" in this context is probably analogous to "heavily modified"
shinobi602
(01-11-2013, 07:37 PM)
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SHIT.

Q4 2013, MS VS SONY.

HERE WE GO SON.

DieH@rd
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(01-11-2013, 07:37 PM)
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Roadmaps can change...
Ahasverus
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(01-11-2013, 07:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by theman5141

I would be led to believe that "jailbroken" in this context is probably analogous to "heavily modified"

Yeaaah
THE:MILKMAN
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(01-11-2013, 07:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Baki

2 1/2 years sounds like a long enough time for launch software. :P

And is in-line with how long a lot of Sony's devs have been working on unannounced games..
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(01-11-2013, 07:38 PM)
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I want to believe!
gofreak
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(01-11-2013, 07:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Proelite

IMO VGLeaks does an awesome job, they've have a good track record so far.

Their original Orbis leak seemed solid, but just because an outlet is sound on some things doesn't mean they're sound on everything...

This bit seems curious to me:

2012 Jul devkits for engineers writing OS

Unless they mean 'true prototype' dev kits, which would make more sense i.e. would make more sense for them to get them first, but if they only got ANY dev kits 12 months after other devs...that would make no sense.
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(01-11-2013, 07:39 PM)
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it's gonna happen isn't it

Muchi Muchi Pink
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(01-11-2013, 07:39 PM)
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If this is legit, we'll probably see orbis in February then.
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2013 Q4 - Orbis in my pants
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(01-11-2013, 07:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by theman5141

I would be led to believe that "jailbroken" in this context is probably analogous to "heavily modified"

Or perhaps something to do with how the OS talks to the GPU, for direct access to its ISA perhaps rather than through DX.
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(01-11-2013, 07:40 PM)
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2012 Q3 first true hardware prototype devkits
2013 E3 potential unveiling window end
2013 Q4 launch

You better hurry up devs, you have slightly more than a year to get those games out!
Russell
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(01-11-2013, 07:40 PM)
Oh my god, it would be seriously unbelieveable if PlayStation 4 comes out this year.
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just have a solid launch lineup and im there

Can Crusher
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(01-11-2013, 07:40 PM)
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Excitement is returning to the console industry!

Both will probably have shipment troubles at the beginning though.
Ardenyal
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(01-11-2013, 07:40 PM)
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calendar or fiscal year Q4?
erpg
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(01-11-2013, 07:40 PM)
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Ready and waiting to be blown away.
PhoReal
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(01-11-2013, 07:41 PM)
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If they can get the PS4 out this holiday things will be crazy. Way too many consoles on the market, IMO.
Clay Davis
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Q4 2013 can also mean very early2014 right? it'd be amazing and wallet destroying if both launched before the holiday, but I fear one might not until Jan / Feb 2014.
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(01-11-2013, 07:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Russell

Oh my god, it would be seriously unbelieveable if PlayStation 4 comes out this year.

Japan this year is fairly believable.

Think western launches would come early next year though. One can hope otherwise but history suggests otherwise.
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(01-11-2013, 07:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by DieH@rd

Roadmaps can change...

Yes, and I read "earlier roadmap" there so who knows, but at least sounds reasonable.
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(01-11-2013, 07:41 PM)
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HYPE... OMG HYPE.
TheCongressman1
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It won't be coming out this year, I'd put money on it. Maybe not real money, but I'm fairly confident.
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Originally Posted by THE:MILKMAN

And is in-line with how long a lot of Sony's devs have been working on unannounced games..

Yep. Guerilla, Naughty Dog (they have 2 teams), Sucker Punch (who just started recruiting for a lot of QA staff), Media Molecule etc. Time to get hype!
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Originally Posted by shinobi602

SHIT.

Q4 2013, MS VS SONY.

HERE WE GO SON.

Awesome Gif!!! Just reminds me how "impeccable" Mikes movement was in his prime. Anyway yeah it will be an interesting E3.
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Originally Posted by Criminal Upper

You better hurry up devs, you have slightly more than a year to get those games out!

Don't worry Versus and Last Guardian are almost done for PS4
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(01-11-2013, 07:42 PM)
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Come on ride the train, come on and ride it
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Originally Posted by IHaveIce

Q4 2013? That late? :(

We are already into 2013....
pharmboy044
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(01-11-2013, 07:42 PM)
So does this mean the devs had kits since mid-2011?
Criminal Upper
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Originally Posted by pharmboy044

So does this mean the devs had kits since mid-2011?

No.
IHaveIce
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Originally Posted by metalslimer

MS vs Sony Q4 2013. Someone is going to get burned.



What? Did you expect a Saturn announcment?

Originally Posted by Crawl

Q4 is what september through december? Dont think thats late.

Originally Posted by Orayn

When else would you expect?

Lol sorry guys, I'm tired and the year is still fresh, for some reason I was still under the impression 2013 is next year
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(01-11-2013, 07:44 PM)
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Q4 2013 is earlier than I expected, and earlier than I'd been hearing around the dev community. Guess Sony doesn't think they can afford to wait past this holiday season with the Xbox successor on the way this year.
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I'm ready for PS4 to blow me away. I want Killzone 4 to make the Killzone 2 trailer look like a ps2 game :P
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(01-11-2013, 07:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by lherre

Yes, and I read "earlier roadmap" there so who knows, but at least sounds reasonable.

Yeah, was about to point that out too.

'In this case we have the earlier roadmap.'

So it's probably a bit out of date. May not have changed, but may have also.

But that's how these leaks seem to be going at the moment. When we got that first big leak about Orbis spec it was info that was 9+ months old.

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