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GoofsterStud
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(02-08-2013, 12:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Malvingt2

oh wow he was shocked by it too.. damn.

Yeah, something about this screams foul play. Is it possible that something behind close doors with Nintendo caused this knee-jerk reaction from Ubisoft?
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chertipros
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(02-08-2013, 12:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Pie and Beans

Ah there we go, the crystallised purity of where this all both leads and stems from.

You mean publisher foolishness? Seriously, if this game bombs because it comes out during a time when people would rather play something else, THEN IT IS UBISOFT'S FAULT. NOT NINTENDO FAN'S. This wii u version of this game was finished and could have released during a software drought to wii u owners hungry for new software but NOPE! Launch the game next to Zelda!
Malvingt2
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(02-08-2013, 12:22 AM)
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someone should make a thread with the new info. Wii U version is done and the dev team is unhappy by delaying the game.
cloudyy
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(02-08-2013, 12:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by CrunchinJelly

1) It means one marketing campaign.

2) Late ports historically do terrible.

1) They almost could do no marketing at all for the Wii U release, Nintendo already did more than enough to hype the game with various wiiu demo units and the showing at E3 and pushing it as an exclusive game during a dead release period of the system.
2) Late ports on lower install base do terrible. It's either you wait or shell out on a new system for the game. I'm sure many would rather wait.
Snowden's Secret
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(02-08-2013, 12:23 AM)

Originally Posted by Tiamant

Don't know if this has been posted, apparently is from a member of the Rayman Legends team that posts on the spanish forums EOL:






I found this at meristation forums from Gonzark, a reliable poster.

So according to the the Google translation, the U version was going to be delayed anyway, so suits at the top said might as well port it while we've got the time?
Kimawolf
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(02-08-2013, 12:23 AM)

Originally Posted by chertipros

You mean publisher foolishness? Seriously, if this game bombs because it comes out during a time when people would rather play something else, THEN IT IS UBISOFT'S FAULT. NOT NINTENDO FAN'S. This wii u version of this game was finished and could have released during a software drought to wii u owners hungry for new software but NOPE! Launch the game next to Zelda!

Yeah that is what's crazy, they are willing to go up against Zelda, GTAV and who knows what else because they want to sell the game to the same people who didn't buy it. and if "fan reaction" got the game, then I suppose we can expect to see all games on all platforms?
bequietdrive
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(02-08-2013, 12:24 AM)
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Doubt this will do anything but.. http://www.change.org/petitions/ubis...he-wii-u#share
ShockingAlberto
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(02-08-2013, 12:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by Snowden's Secret

So according to the the Google translation, the U version was going to be delayed anyway, so suits at the top said might as well port it while we've got the time?

The way I'm interpreting it is that February was do or die time, and they did, and now they're pissed that it wasn't as "die" as they thought.
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(02-08-2013, 12:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by GoofsterStud

Financial reasons "Marketing"

Easier to effectively marks cross platform

Past precedent sales figures comparing games released simultaneouslyvs multiplatform games released after a huge delay.

Pick one.

I don't know if you are a gaming journalist or not, but where I come from we don't just make up sentences, throw a dart at one and write an article from that. We actually bother to go out there and tap people 's phones and hack their answering machines to get our news.

And I'm pretty sure people annoyed by this delay don't care about marketing reasons. This is where PR should be coming in to calm the flames.
iammeiam
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(02-08-2013, 12:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by Snowden's Secret

So according to the the Google translation, the U version was going to be delayed anyway, so suits at the top said might as well port it while we've got the time?

It reads more like the initial delay--from launch to now--was due to incompleteness. Devs busted ass to get done in time for the new release date, and at the last minute suits go "Lol nah j/k"
CRY_ON
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(02-08-2013, 12:24 AM)
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Welp, that's my Wii U sold tomorrow.
Bayonetta 2 will probably end up getting ported at this rate anyway.
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(02-08-2013, 12:25 AM)
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I'll guess we'll see if it was a good move if they're actually going to market and advertise it. Otherwise, it's sent to die.
GoofsterStud
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(02-08-2013, 12:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by cloudyy

1) They almost could do no marketing at all for the Wii U release, Nintendo already did more than enough to hype the game with various wiiu demo units and the showing at E3 and pushing it as an exclusive game during a dead release period of the system.
2) Late ports on lower install base do terrible. It's either you wait or shell out on a new system for the game. I'm sure many would rather wait.

2.) What? Dreamcast to PS2 ports. (DC sale were better). Sega Saturn to PSX ports...same thing unless released in new territories... Xbox to other ports...more of the same.

I'm at loss.
Malvingt2
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(02-08-2013, 12:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by Snowden's Secret

So according to the the Google translation, the U version was going to be delayed anyway, so suits at the top said might as well port it while we've got the time?

No he said they felt that they will not make the goal but they went for it anyway. What kind the face do you think we put when the game was about to be close "gold" and they told us about the delay?

So they worked hard to meet the Date and they did.
majik13
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(02-08-2013, 12:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by GoofsterStud

Financial reasons "Marketing"

Easier to effectively marks cross platform

Past precedent sales figures comparing games released simultaneouslyvs multiplatform games released after a huge delay.

Pick one.

yes, I wish devs followed this thinking when porting to WiiU, but they seem to throw these ideas out the window and follow the inverse.

WiiU gets late ports, no marketing, and then publishers deem this test unprofitable for future releases.

hopefully a bunch of next gen games get delayed to make room for wiiu ports, for simultaneous release...

Originally Posted by Replicant

Yes but why go for a fake when you have a new and improved "Honor & Shame 2013"?

Thanks. The break downs are fun... And this game isn't as huge as FFXIII.
beje
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(02-08-2013, 12:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by Snowden's Secret

So according to the the Google translation, the U version was going to be delayed anyway, so suits at the top said might as well port it while we've got the time?

No, he actually says that the week they had to close the game (and supposedly sent to print) they are said all this so all the overtime and crunch to have it ready for february went to waste "thanks" to higher up orders.
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(02-08-2013, 12:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by Tiamant

Don't know if this has been posted, apparently is from a member of the Rayman Legends team that posts on the spanish forums EOL:






I found this at meristation forums from Gonzark, a reliable poster.

So if I understand this correctly, they worked their asses off to get the game finished for february release only for Ubisoft to come at the last minute all like 'Lol, what's the hurry? It's not releasing till september'. Wow, a real dick move indeed, I feel sorry for the devs.
AkimbO_Arcana
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(02-08-2013, 12:27 AM)
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Was this the big Nintendo news Rich teased for today? If yes: FUCK!
EuropeOG
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(02-08-2013, 12:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by bequietdrive

Doubt this will do anything but.. http://www.change.org/petitions/ubis...he-wii-u#share

7 months delay... 7 months. They obviously don't care, this petition ain't gonna do shit!

Originally Posted by AkimbO_Arcana

Was this the big Nintendo news Rich teased for today? If yes: FUCK!

Basically... FUCK!
Malvingt2
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(02-08-2013, 12:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by MoogleWizard

So if I understand this correctly, they worked their asses off to get the game finished for february release only for Ubisoft to come at the last minute all like 'Lol, what's the hurry? It's not releasing till september'. Wow, a real dick move indeed, I feel sorry for the devs.

yes and deserved own thread. Wow what a dick move.
Snowden's Secret
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(02-08-2013, 12:29 AM)
Wait, this is even worse. Ubi craps on fans, Wii U owners, and dicks over its own employees, just to sell this to an audience that had no interest the first go around?
GoofsterStud
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(02-08-2013, 12:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by majik13

yes, I wish devs followed this thinking when porting to WiiU, but they seem to throw these ideas out the window and follow the inverse.

WiiU gets late ports, no marketing, and then publishers deem this test unprofitable for future releases.

Exactly. :-/

What bothers me is when they blame sales on the Wii-U... The past will repeat itself if we don't learn from it.
Erethian
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(02-08-2013, 12:29 AM)

Originally Posted by GoofsterStud

Yeah, something about this screams foul play. Is it possible that something behind close doors with Nintendo caused this knee-jerk reaction from Ubisoft?

It's very simple. Ubisoft wants the game to sell more copies, so they port it.

I also think some people are readying way too much into this decision in general, and the implications it could have. Rayman is one of those franchises that is held in higher esteem within the gaming media and on forums, than it is by the general public. What Ubisoft does with a franchise like Assassin's Creed has way, way more implications for how they approach the Wii U than a game like Rayman does. It's not one of their premier IPs, and for a long time it played second fiddle to Rabbids.
ohlawd
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(02-08-2013, 12:30 AM)
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holy shit, the devs :/
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Originally Posted by AkimbO_Arcana

Was this the big Nintendo news Rich teased for today? If yes: FUCK!

Yea, he's a tool.

Anyway, like others I have no problem with the game coming to other platforms, but it's just ridiculous that they'd push the game back so far to launch with the other versions when it was set to release only three weeks from now. Even if the game shipped without the added online, I wouldn't mind just having an update with those features when the game releases on the other platforms.
Pie and Beans
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(02-08-2013, 12:30 AM)
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Ah there we go, a nice heartwarming tale of one of the exhausted souls that gave his/her all to blast this game out to remind us that its more than just the big mean publisher devil that goes into how these games get out the door_when, and ultimately why the childish "WELL NOW I'M NOT BUYING IT" posts are like spitting into the eyes of someone locked in a boiling toiling cave of labour.

If you want to play the game and have more like it exist in this world, buy it at launch. Everything else is just horrible politics.

Originally Posted by Snowden's Secret

just to sell this to an audience that had no interest the first go around?

Thats some mightily large strokes you're painting there fellah. We'll see how the WiiU audience shows their "interest" in kind shall we...
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Atcha
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(02-08-2013, 12:32 AM)
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Olalalala !
StuBurns
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(02-08-2013, 12:32 AM)
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Why are so many people miffed about the IGN tweet? It didn't say it was good news, I don't understand the upset.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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(02-08-2013, 12:32 AM)
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Looks like we already have the biggest "load of shit" news of 2013. This is despicable of them...

Also, boycotting the game doesn't send messages to other developers that Wii U owners don't buy 3rd party games. Boycotting the game tells Ubisoft that shitty business practices have consequences.
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(02-08-2013, 12:34 AM)
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So there was no delay to stay clear of nsmbu and it was life or death whether they would make the feb date. What was going on there?
GoofsterStud
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(02-08-2013, 12:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by SaintMadeOfPlaster

Looks like we already have the biggest "load of shit" news of 2013. This is despicable of them...

Also, boycotting the game doesn't send messages to other developers that Wii U owners don't buy 3rd party games. Boycotting the game tells Ubisoft that shitty business practices have consequences.

More than half the people boycotting the game wouldn't buy it in the first place. Hate to break it to you, but sales are all that matter.

Originally Posted by ElTopo

Why would anyone interested in the game not buy it just because it got pushed back ? That doesn't help anyone.

They want one less good game to play?
Pie and Beans
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(02-08-2013, 12:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by ElTopo

Why would anyone interested in the game not buy it just because it got pushed back ? That doesn't help anyone.

Reading this thread from beginning to end will have you hissing for at least a full hour.
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(02-08-2013, 12:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by EuropeOG

I don't support bullshit, sorry.

If a developer wants to release a good game and set a good example I will support them, no problem.



No one cares that it's multiplatform. People care than it has been delayed 7 months.

I think he means that the PS3 version of FFXIII got delayed a bit or slowed down to accommodate for the 360 version I think that's how it went.
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(02-08-2013, 12:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by Pie and Beans

Ah there we go, a nice heartwarming tale of one of the exhausted souls that gave his/her all to blast this game out to remind us that its more than just the big mean publisher devil that goes into how these games get out the door_when, and ultimately why the childish "WELL NOW I'M NOT BUYING IT" posts are like spitting into the eyes of someone locked in a boiling toiling cave of labour.

It'd be pretty shit to be in the shoes of the dev, excited for game release only to be told by the publisher to delay it for a further 7 months. I'm sure they had no say in the matter!

Will buy day one, just not sure for which platform, now... the trophies in Origins on Vita (or PS3) allowed me to leach every extra moment of gaming time that I could out of it.
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Originally Posted by ElTopo

Why would anyone interested in the game not buy it just because it got pushed back ?

It's like you see a trailer for a movie that looks kind of funny, and there aren't any other movies out you want to go see. So you decide to go see that movie, only then it gets delayed for half a year. So you see a movie you want to see less, and wait. By the time it finally comes out, there are three other movies out you want to see more, and your time and money isn't infinite, so the original movie drops off your list of things to see in the theater. You'll catch it on a rental, or on Netflix, or something.

Same idea here--Rayman's going from a time of famine to a time of plenty, and for some people it's going to fall below the budget line.
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(02-08-2013, 12:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by Pie and Beans


Thats some mightily large strokes you're painting there fellah. We'll see how the WiiU audience shows their "interest" in kind shall we...

I see you've met Snowden.

This was probably not going to be a huge seller on the WiiU.

I bought the Origins when it dropped to 20 bucks because all Ubisoft games do that about a month and a half later.
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(02-08-2013, 12:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by Pie and Beans

Ah there we go, a nice heartwarming tale of one of the exhausted souls that gave his/her all to blast this game out to remind us that its more than just the big mean publisher devil that goes into how these games get out the door_when, and ultimately why the childish "WELL NOW I'M NOT BUYING IT" posts are like spitting into the eyes of someone locked in a boiling toiling cave of labour.

If you want to play the game and have more like it exist in this world, buy it at launch. Everything else is just horrible politics.


Thats some mightily large strokes you're painting there fellah. We'll see how the WiiU audience shows their "interest" in kind shall we...

I am not supporting this company's product with my money. This was incredibly insulting and to think I will "just buy it anyway" is ridiculous. Ubisoft can go to hell.
beje
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(02-08-2013, 12:38 AM)
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Here's a better translation for the Spanish impaired:

I completely understand you but you have to understand one thing. This is not a decission taken by the development team, this comes from really really high up, so please don't pick on the game.

If you're pissed, imagine how we feel. Think on the situation, we've been making overtime with this game practically since May preparing E3, and then almost a demo per month (gamescon, Wii U presentation, shops, eShop, etc...) and at the same time trying to actually finish the game. We had a first delay because it was obvious we couldn't finish on time but we gave it all to be there on February. What face do you think we had when the week we had to close the game we're being told it's not going to be released? I couldn't believe it.

For practical matters, you'll have to wait for some months for the game to be released and will most likely serve for more content to be added and do it better. For us, this means we've spent 6 months barely seeing our wifes, kids, and friends for nothing because, after all, such a haste wasn't needed. Believe it, it was a hell to swallow these news.

Even then I'm firm in what I said back in the day, Rayman Legends is an excellent game and will still be, and the team that's making it doesn't deserve to have your back turned on them just because some men in ties one day took a wrong choice. This industry is really that shitty

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cloudyy
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(02-08-2013, 12:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by GoofsterStud

2.) What? Dreamcast to PS2 ports. (DC sale were better). Sega Saturn to PSX ports...same thing unless released in new territories... Xbox to other ports...more of the same.

I'm at loss.

Such as? I honestly can't come with examples of an exclusive game on a smaller install base doing terrible once it got ported on a bigger install base later on. Sure, it sometimes does worse, but terrible? Resident Evil code veronica did better on ps2 than on dreamcast for example. So did RE4 ps2 vs gamecube. http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/b...s/million.html
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What will end up happening is Ubi will realize that releasing the game in September isn't such a great idea considering the competition and they'll delay it until February 2014.
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(02-08-2013, 12:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by Haliela

Ubisoft can go to hell.

Ah, Mr Ubisoft. Both the legion of talent that creates, and the singular entity that delays. Yes he will rue this day indeed, and he alone.
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(02-08-2013, 12:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by Haliela

I am not supporting this company's product with my money. This was incredibly insulting and to think I will "just buy it anyway" is ridiculous. Ubisoft can go to hell.

It's a business decision. How can you take it so personally?
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(02-08-2013, 12:40 AM)
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Listen, I'm sorry for saying douche. I just feel that if you already owned a Wii U in September it's kind of silly to buy it for another system. Especially (and maybe exclusively) for people who've been complaining about the lack of 3rd party games coming day and date on the system.

And if that Dev story is true, I feel really bad for them. I can only imagine the sales of Zombi U/Rabbids Land or whatever weren't up to scratch and the executives panicked.
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the wiiu can't catch a break.

It was a highly anticipated exclusive title for a console with absolutely nothing and was even the launch demo at kiosks around the country. Every WiiU owner would have bought it, all of them.

Now it's getting pushed back near the holidays when Nintendo will hopefully actually have games to sell and people will be frothing over two new next gen consoles. Genius.
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(02-08-2013, 12:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by beje

Here's a better translation for the Spanish impaired:

perfect.. I am sad too :(
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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Originally Posted by GoofsterStud

More than half the people boycotting the game wouldn't buy it in the first place. Hate to break it to you, but sales are all that matter.

Seems like you did your research.

Even if that was true, that's still a lot of sales lost, and a lot of fans angry at Ubisoft who might boycott other, more popular releases. And they're missing out on 7 months of Wii U sales. So your "sales are all that matter" argument doesn't make much sense.

The real reason they're doing this is probably to scrap a lot of the Wii U specific gameplay ideas, and make an Origins 2.0.
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(02-08-2013, 12:41 AM)
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day oneeeee <333

the outrage in this thread is hilarious, though. people take video game news so seriously
BriseFlots
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(02-08-2013, 12:41 AM)
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Ubisoft can go rot n Hell.

They won't have a single penny from anymore. They will grow to learn that promises do matter for gamers. But that'll be too late for them.
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(02-08-2013, 12:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by GoofsterStud

Hate to break it to you, but sales are all that matter.

The words of a terrible business man.

A company wants to have a good consumer image, why do you think PR guys exist? Clearly some people are annoyed by UbiSoft by this decision and as a result they may not just end up not buying Rayman because of this, but they may think twice about buying other future UbiSoft titles.

If sales matter then we should be expecting damage control from UbiSoft. Something as simple as saying how the game will benefit from the delay (because the current consensus is that the game is finished) would be better than nothing.

Originally Posted by Pie and Beans

Ah, Mr Ubisoft. Both the legion of talent that creates, and the singular entity that delays. Yes he will rue this day indeed, and he alone.

I don't know why you are trying to sound like a smart arse, but referring to a company as an entity is common and accepted practise.

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