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TCKaos
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Originally Posted by Tawpgun

But thats already a franchise.

Similar to how we have a Halo OT.

Destiny is brand new. Give it time to develop a community first.

Halo |OT15| The TU. It's Destiny.
Overdoziz
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Originally Posted by NOKYARD

Like this?

Like that.
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Originally Posted by Overdoziz

1st person in vehicles would be awful, stop asking for it.

He said option. Let people play or design minigames how they want.

Lol @ people wanting a Destiny community thread even before we've seen the game. C'mon son. GTFOHWTS.
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Originally Posted by enzo_gt

Lol @ people wanting a Destiny community thread even before we've seen the game. C'mon son. GTFOHWTS.

The people are desperate.
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Originally Posted by enzo_gt

He said option. Let people play or design minigames how they want.

Lol @ people wanting a Destiny community thread even before we've seen the game. C'mon son. GTFOHWTS.

People just want to talk Destiny with HaloGAF. Go mingle around gaming side nerds.
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Greetings! I wanted to get this out before everything gets (rightly) swamped by Destiny news. Almost a week ago on February 10th, my birthday, I was able to sit down for a couple of co-op games with Dan Miller of Bungie. Destiny is just around the corner, so I figured let me celebrate another milestone for Bungie withHalo 3: The best campaign of their last game series.

Dotted throughout the picture story is Developer Insights into Halo 3 and ODST, from what I can remember. They’ll be clearly labelled if you want you can just skim through this and only read those. Didn’t have any time to re-size the screenshots (thanks to Over for rendering them), so I’ll just throw them into quotes. Click to biggify. Had to rush to get this out, so forgive any typos. Enjoy!

Difficulty: Legendary
Skulls: Grunt Birthday Party (happy birthday to me!)

The onward push of "Tsavo Highway"

We both got killed very early on when two Grunts stuck both our Warthogs.

Developer Insight #1 Jason Jones likes to challenge people; he did that for the writing in Halo 2.

Had some trouble at The Bunker (of course!), specifically when we were trying to deal with the Chieftain and the Wraith at the same time, but we got through it when we nailed the Chieftain.

Developer Insight #2 The "battle" – I had a screenshot for this, but couldn’t get it rendered. You know that destroyed road leading to that wide, open area with the hill in the middle? Originally the level designer placed two Choppers there by themselves, but it looked weird. He then added an overturned Warthog in the back and the bodies of two dead Brutes to make it look like a battle had played out.

Dan got an awesome stick here; was able to use Chopper after that.

Developer Insight #3 Near the end of development of Halo 3, Jason Jones helped Dan design "Halo (3)."

The Pelican is a great piece of cover for some nice teamwork.

Developer Insight #4 Deliberate choice by Bungie to cut out an Arbiter "campaign" for Halo 3. They only wanted the Chief for a more focused campaign.

Fighting in the lake-beds of "The Storm"

Rollin’ on through…

Developer Insight #5 The lead designer (or mission designer) for "The Storm" and "The Covenant" was the same person, Mr. Niles.

Boarding the Scarab. Dan’s in the background on a Mongoose.

Developer Insight #6 Cortana moments originally had a disable function for replays and co-op, but wasn’t implemented in part because the feature couldn’t be completed in time and without any bugs.

Funny thing about this part. You know that little side door in this area? Where you can get the sniper? Dan didn’t know you could access that on this level.

Developer Insight #7 Yes, the folks at Bungie knew they were shipping a bad mission with "Cortana." One of the reasons "Cortana" turned out badly is because there wasn’t a specific level designer for it, and one of the reasons for that was because "Cortana" was originally going to be the second half of “Floodgate.” Can’t remember exactly why, but because of time constraints and other things, what became "Cortana" got separated and made into its own level.

With great strategy, no Chieftain is a match for this pair!

Developer Insight #8 The idea of an ODST campaign did not originate with Dan, but he did suggest at one point, when the idea was to get a one-year project out the door, that players experience prior Halo campaigns from the perspective of an ODST. They would take missions from prior Halo games and redesign them.

On the rolling hills of sand of "The Ark"

A bowl of death.

Developer Insight #9 Everyone here remembers the concept art for Forerunner City, right? Bungie cut that in part because, when they went through the concept art, they felt like they would have to give away too much about the Forerunners. Dan was originally assigned to this level and Guardian Forest.

Without vehicles, we approached this famous encounter on foot.

Developer Insight #10 You see that Forerunner wall in the background? That was supposed to be another way to drive vehicles into the area, but some play testers got confused. Bungie walled it off.

We were able to get a vehicle later on, and we tried to secure the Dawn’s landing zone in the Warthog. Didn’t work out to well, so after we died a couple of times we went in separate vehicles.

Developer Insight #11 Shade turrets, like the one next to the Wraith, originally had legs – like miniature version of a Scarab’s legs. The legs slowly moved the turrets so they could avoid incoming fire. This idea was tossed because the turrets looked stupid, and it didn’t make any sense for them to have legs.

Scarab fight. Dan takes this one out. I’m in the tank in the background.

Developer Insight #12 Guardian Forest. Most of us here know that Guardian was what remained of a campaign level that was cut, set in the same environment. Here’s a couple more details about it. The level was supposed to come after “The Ark” – Bungie didn’t like the idea of you taking down the Covenant in two levels – and it was going to be like New Alexandria. You had to go to three areas and activate a Forerunner device in each of them. When all three devices were primed, they’d release Forerunner sentinels (the ones that lined up like a train from Halo 2 and Halo 4) that acted as the Ark’s defense system. These sentinels were going to destroy the remainder of Truth’s fleet in space. Remember what the Elite said at the beginning of “The Ark”: “Brute ships, staggered line. Shipmaster, they outnumber us three to one.” Truth had a lot of ships.

"The Ark’s" last Chieftain fight. Dueled him before taking on his pack brothers.

A culmination, "The Covenant"

After the best "storm the beach" fight in any Halo game, Dan grabs a Mongoose and gives a Marine a fuel-rod gun. The results were impressive.

Developer Insight #13 One of Dan’s ideas that he pitched to allow players to navigate "Cortana" easier was to have footprints of Cortana on the ground pointing you where to go. As to how that would be possible, he likened that to how you saw Cortana at the end of "The Covenant."

First Brute Pack fight in the first tower. Dan almost took them all out himself (I had died early on), but then he failed too. Next time around I took out the chieftain.

Developer Insight #14 A troop-transport ‘Hog with a full complement of Marines, who each had a flak cannon, was internally called a "death blossom" – a reference to The Last Starfighter.

Taking to the skies, here’s a picture of us destroying the most ineffective AA weapons of war of all time.

Never seen this happen before because I always took out the chieftain in this area first, but if you don’t kill him early enough, he’ll attack one of the Elite Phantoms and destroy it.

Developer Insight #15 There was some debate over what color the Elites’ Phantoms would be. Some originally thought they should be black, but even though they went with green, others thought it was still weird because nothing in the Covenant is green.

Us, dual-wielding our way through the Flood. Surprisingly effective.

Developer Insight #16 There’s motion blur on the elevators in "The Covenant." That was supposed to be turned off.

Here’s the first screenshot of us fighting the two Scarabs. I’m in the tank in the background, and Dan is in the sky.

Not too long after that, my tank got destroyed, so I found a Gauss Warthog that suited me just fine.

Developer Insight #17 Cortana and a Scarab. The level in which you rescued Cortana was going to be a "High Charity" level, not "Cortana" we ended up with. Here’s what was originally planned. You were supposed to, or rather the idea was that you were going to, fight the Gravemind, but not in a way you might think. You were going to retrieve Cortana, and a little after that you two were going to come across an abandoned Scarab with its hind legs ripped off. Seeing no other options, you were going to board the Scarab and insert Cortana so she could pilot it. After that, the Gravemind was going to appear, and Cortana was going to duke it out with him in the damaged Scarab while you were on board. You were going to help out by killing any Flood forms that made their way onto the Scarab, and shoot off any of Gravemind’s tentacles that tried to latch on.

And that’s it! Thanks so much to Dan for making me happy on my twenty-first birthday.

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Originally Posted by TCKaos

Halo |OT15| The TU. It's Destiny.

Screw Destiny in the title don't mix the 2
Overdoziz
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(02-16-2013, 10:49 PM)
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That's really cool, Dax.
StalkerUKCG
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Originally Posted by Dax01

Dax and Dan play halo

This was great stuff. Really nice of Dan to play with you on your Bday.

Insights into Halo from the dev's are great I love this kind of Post Mortem look back's with details about cut content and how they story could have developed.

Frankie and Ellis should do one but I doubt they would ever have the time.
Tawpgun
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Those insights were pretty cool actually.
Mix
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Originally Posted by Dax01

Dax plays Halo with DANGiE

Very cool! I love stuff like this!
OverHeat
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Originally Posted by StalkerUKCG

This was great stuff. Really nice of Dan to play with you on your Bday.

Insights into Halo from the dev's are great I love this kind of Post Mortem look back's with details about cut content and how they story could have developed.

Frankie and Ellis should do one but I doubt they would ever have the time.

Trying to bait them ;)
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(02-16-2013, 10:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by StalkerUKCG

This was great stuff. Really nice of Dan to play with you on your Bday.

Insights into Halo from the dev's are great I love this kind of Post Mortem look back's with details about cut content and how they story could have developed.

Frankie and Ellis should do one but I doubt they would ever have the time.

"Well, we added this QTE because we thought it would really enhance the cinematic experience."

--

Dax's story reminded me to take a certain picture in Halo 3.
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Originally Posted by Dax01


(developer insight post)

Really interesting post Dax - what a shame about "cortana" - that scarab set piece sounds like it could have been promising.
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Cool stuff Dax!

Never forget the Halo Reach level that was cut where you drive a scarab through New Alexandria.

and Moa jousting
MaximumFlipFlop
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Originally Posted by StalkerUKCG

This was great stuff. Really nice of Dan to play with you on your Bday.

Insights into Halo from the dev's are great I love this kind of Post Mortem look back's with details about cut content and how they story could have developed.

Frankie and Ellis should do one but I doubt they would ever have the time.

Halo 4: A Look Into What Was Lost
Forward by Frank O'Connor

This stunning 800 page book gives gamers a behind the scenes glimpse into the cutting room floor of 343 Industries. Read about the demise of beloved features from the Halo Franchise, and the long process of removing all that great content.

Preorder today and receive the exclusive Campaign theater DLC.
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Originally Posted by MerkinMax

Halo 4: A Look Into What Was Lost
Forward by Frank O'Connor

This stunning 800 page book gives gamers a behind the scenes glimpse into the cutting room floor of 343 Industries. Read about the demise of beloved features from the Halo Franchise, and the long process of removing all that great content.

Preorder today and receive the exclusive Campaign theater DLC.

lol
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Originally Posted by Overdoziz


Dax's story reminded me to take a certain picture in Halo 3.

You're post in the "art design" thread on gaming side inspired me to do a look back and comparison of Halo's Environments. Its going to be a giant post(s) so don't expect anything soon.

Ill break it down into Human/Covenant/Forerunner post's. Planning a detailed look at factions and their design to accompany it
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Originally Posted by Tashi

People just want to talk Destiny with HaloGAF. Go mingle around gaming side nerds.

I don't see how this is prevented in ordinary Destiny threads. Your not forced to respond to trolls and people with ignorant opinions unless your skin is really that thin, and those things are certainly not exclusive to gaming side either.

That said the unwelcoming mentality in here has always kind-of confused me. Why are people so adverse to others joining discussion? Is the rest of GAF and the internet that much of a plague? I thought the whole point of a community was having it grow to produce even more varied discussion, rather than more and more of an insular echo chamber. It's not even just a community thread thing, this doesn't happen in ForzaGAF, Dark Souls GAF, MahvelGAF, etc.
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Thanks for the post, Dax. Good read.
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Originally Posted by Garrett 2U

Cool stuff Dax!

Never forget the Halo Reach level that was cut where you drive a scarab through New Alexandria.

I still think that could have been a very cool experience.

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That's super cool Dax, some of that almost sucks to hear because it would have been so cool to play that.
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Awesome stuff Dax.
Tunavi
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Whats everyone playing right now?
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Originally Posted by Mixmasterchief

So can we expect a Bungie|OT| or a Destiny|OT| after/during tomorrow?
That would be exciting :)

Elzar, I miss you. What are you playing?

Dead space 3 with a sprinkling of Halo 4.
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Originally Posted by Tunavi

Whats everyone playing right now?

Xbox is pretty much a Netflix and HBO GO machine lately.
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Originally Posted by Steelyuhas

Xbox is pretty much a Netflix and HBO GO machine lately.

this
Tashi
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Originally Posted by enzo_gt

I don't see how this is prevented in ordinary Destiny threads. Your not forced to respond to trolls and people with ignorant opinions unless your skin is really that thin, and those things are certainly not exclusive to gaming side either.

That said the unwelcoming mentality in here has always kind-of confused me. Why are people so adverse to others joining discussion? Is the rest of GAF and the internet that much of a plague? I thought the whole point of a community was having it grow to produce even more varied discussion, rather than more and more of an insular echo chamber. It's not even just a community thread thing, this doesn't happen in ForzaGAF, Dark Souls GAF, MahvelGAF, etc.

HaloGAF is haggard because so many dislike H4. This thread is seriously 75% shit talking 343 and Halo 4. Regardless of whether it's justified or not, it's just how it is. My hope is that Destiny will pull away those HaloGAF members who don't play the game but just come in here to talk shit.

But yea I agree that most other established GAF groups are more welcoming. SC2 and Dota2 have been really cool with me.
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Originally Posted by Tunavi

Whats everyone playing right now?

BF360GAF
Mix
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Originally Posted by ElzarTheBam

Dead space 3 with a sprinkling of Halo 4.

Can I sprinkle with you?

Originally Posted by Tunavi

Whats everyone playing right now?

Chess
Ragnarok Flames
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Originally Posted by Tunavi

Whats everyone playing right now?

DmC and Netflix
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Originally Posted by Tunavi

Whats everyone playing right now?

Indigo Propechy when I have the chance. I also bought Paper Mario yesterday and should have it next week. Also, I'm looking for Fire Emblem but having no luck.
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Very nice Dax! Do you think you will be able to give us other insights ? It's always a pleasure to learn some behind the scene story.

Originally Posted by StalkerUKCG

You're post in the "art design" thread on gaming side inspired me to do a look back and comparison of Halo's Environments. Its going to be a giant post(s) so don't expect anything soon.

Ill break it down into Human/Covenant/Forerunner post's. Planning a detailed look at factions and their design to accompany it

That's something we are actually doing in french, because there are so many changes between the first trilogy and Halo 4 in term of art and caracter design. I have to admit I'm not a huge fan of Kenneth Scott. He is a good art director, but his vision wasn't what Halo needed.

Also, the lack or ornament in the new forerunner style is something that bother me.
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I found the three in game images for what the maps in the Majestic Map Pack look like in the lobby. I simply changed the name of the map in the images they have on the website to find them.

Landfall


Monolith


Skyline
Arnie
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It's bad when I'm saying to myself, 'looks like Mass Effect'.
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Originally Posted by Wifiplayer13

I found the three in game images for what the maps in the Majestic Map Pack look like in the lobby. I simply changed the name of the map in the images they have on the website to find them.

Landfall


Monolith


Skyline

HOOOOOOOOOOTTTTT SHIIIIIIIITTTTTT
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Originally Posted by Wifiplayer13

I found the three in game images for what the maps in the Majestic Map Pack look like in the lobby. I simply changed the name of the map in the images they have on the website to find them.

Landfall


Monolith


Skyline

Any bigger images? Skyline looks awesome.
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Originally Posted by Wifiplayer13


Skyline

Looks good. Hope it is BTB map.
EDIT also, must be playable in split-screen. Previous DLC were not.
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Originally Posted by Tunavi

Whats everyone playing right now?

Far Cry 3. So damn good.
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Originally Posted by Wifiplayer13

I found the three in game images for what the maps in the Majestic Map Pack look like in the lobby. I simply changed the name of the map in the images they have on the website to find them.

Landfall


Monolith


Skyline

Hey, our forge maps are grey, what color should the dlc maps be?

Grey of course
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Originally Posted by Wifiplayer13

I found the three in game images for what the maps in the Majestic Map Pack look like in the lobby. I simply changed the name of the map in the images they have on the website to find them.

Landfall


Monolith


Skyline

God-fucking damn. Hopefully these are not just the surrounding scenery we're looking at again.. but it looks like the concept art actually matched the levels a bit more this time around. Well for the first two anyways.
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i really hope theyre small.
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Once again, a really great write up, Dax.

We need more of those, instead of these:

Originally Posted by orznge

lol

Originally Posted by orznge

.

etc.
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Nice find! 2 night maps, very hot. Can't wait to get some smaller maps in the game. I just hope that they're good.
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The art direction for the new maps look nice. Especially Monolith. Reminiscent of Tron, kind of.

When do the maps launch?
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Originally Posted by Wifiplayer13

I found the three in game images for what the maps in the Majestic Map Pack look like in the lobby. I simply changed the name of the map in the images they have on the website to find them.

Landfall


Monolith


Skyline

Holy shit, that is beautiful.
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Originally Posted by Pok3R Fac3D

i really hope theyre small.

doubt it.
Arnie
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Originally Posted by Pok3R Fac3D

i really hope theyre small.

Same.
Wifiplayer13
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Originally Posted by wwm0nkey

Any bigger images? Skyline looks awesome.

Here you go.





What's that flying around on skyline?
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Originally Posted by Pok3R Fac3D

i really hope theyre small.

HA!
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Originally Posted by Dax01

Greetings! I wanted to get this out before everything gets (rightly) swamped by Destiny news. Almost a week ago on February 10th, my birthday, I was able to sit down for a couple of co-op games with Dan Miller of Bungie. Destiny is just around the corner, so I figured let me celebrate another milestone for Bungie withHalo 3: The best campaign of their last game series.

Dotted throughout the picture stories are Developer Insights into Halo 3 and ODST, from what I can remember. They’ll be clearly labelled, so if you want you can just skim through this and read those. Didn’t have any time to resize the screenshots (thanks to Over for rendering them), so I’ll just throw them into quotes. Click to biggify. Had to rush to get this out, so forgive any typos. Enjoy!

Snip for length.

You lucky lucky lucky lucky devil. How did you manage to pull that off? I'm seriously envious of you. I'd kill to have a developers ear like that and to get that kind of insight into the game. Also a lot of cool info. I actually like Cortana but it would have been cool for the High Charity level take on it with the scarab Gravemind fight. In fact the one thing that I was let down with about Cortana is that it didn't resemble High Charity at all really.

God I just love hearing and learning everything I can about what went into making games. So envious. So So envious.
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