Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause] - Page 114

beelzebozo · (02-20-2007, 01:16 AM)

if you dig it, i think that's awesome--why would it not be?--but i wanted to warn others who were on the fence.

Xellotah · (02-20-2007, 01:23 AM)

Does anybody in the pal region notice a sudden speed up in the VC games. I swear R-Type is running way quick and even super mario world is running quicker than I remember.

Cyan · 01:31 AM

Man, I fall squarely on the side of rebuying games I already own(ed).

Super Mario World- totally worth it. Pretty graphics, great level design, nice music, and Yoshi! Still one of the best 2d platformers ever created, still challenging even though I know all the secrets. Just completed a *96 game, now working on 92 with no switch palaces (a fun challenge, try it!).

Link to the Past- totally worth it. My favorite Zelda game of all time. Again, nice graphics, level design, music. Originates a lot of new tools for Link, and does some of the regulars far better than the 3d games (hookshot, bow, even the net/bottles). Plus it's far more challenging than the modern ones. Completed a regular game, getting everything along the way, and then a 000 game. Never was able to do that back in the day, so there's one advantage to the VC right there!

Mario Kart 64- not worth it. I only really bought it for future multiplayer use, and I should've just waited till people were around to play it. The rubberband AI just kills the single player for me.

And then the one game I d/led that I never owned:

Bomberman '94- worth it. Bought it for the multiplayer, since me and my friends played so much 2-player Super Bomberman. Not as good as Super, but being able to play with everyone at once instead of switching off controllers= awesome. Single player sucks as expected.

Edit:
There are a few games I never owned that I'm at least considering (I'm not a very impulsive buyer, so I probably never will):
Gunstar Heroes
Sonic
Toejam & Earl
Kid Icarus
Kirby
Castlevania IV
Contra III
New Adventure Island

As time passes since the VC release, it gets easier to ignore them. ;)

Pud · (02-20-2007, 01:29 AM)

Is it just me, or is the music in the TG16 Adventure Island really bad? I mean, sure the game itself is superior to the NES version (nowhere near as good as the 2.5D Gamecube remake from Japan, though) in every way except the god-awful music? I almost want the NES version because of it.

Jammy · (02-20-2007, 01:40 AM)

When I played Super Mario World today, I think I had a similar problem to what Christopher had. There was something off with the music/sound. It was very noticeable after I reached the goal at the end of a level and especially when I got a Starman.

Drakken · 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by cartman414:

Eh. It's decent, but has nothing on Gunstar Heroes, which is what I was comparing it to, since both had been mentioned within the past several posts.

DKC is worth way more to me than Gunstar Heroes. GH was moderately enjoyable, but it was really short. And once I've played through it a few times, I'm not likely to play it again. One playthrough of DKC, on the other hand, offers a lot more gameplay time. And, there are levels in DKC I'd gladly replay for fun. Plus, it has pretty good music; Gunstar's is just OK.

Anyway, it seems silly to be comparing them, they're very different in style.

EDIT: Just want to add that so far, none of my purchases (all of which were games that I had never played before and wanted to try out due to recommendations) have been worth the money. Solomon's Key was interesting for a bit, but since I got stuck/challenged too much, I haven't felt motivated to play more. GH was enjoyable, like I said, but that's not something I'm going to keep going back to. I wasn't very impressed with Dungeon Explorer, but I didn't put much time into it. That's the only one that might end up being worthwhile, I think, assuming I ever play all the way through it with friends or something.

I really wish Nintendo would let you demo games before buying them. That wouldn't happen, though, because that would result in a lot less purchases once people realize lots of these games don't hold up now.

But, I could totally see DKC being worthwhile. It's a nice-size platformer that's a lot of fun, and it has good music. Plus, there's nostalgia. I own the original SNES game already, but I'd be much more willing to play it on the Wii than plug in the SNES and play it.

Segata Sanshiro · (02-20-2007, 01:50 AM)

It's been years since I played Adventure Island/Wonder Boy -- this truly is the all-star release of today.

IAmtheFMan · (02-20-2007, 01:50 AM)

So the games I bought that I had owned are:

Mario 64
The Legend of Zelda
The Legend of Zelda: LTTP
Super Mario Brothers
Super Mario World
Gradius
Donkey Kong Country

The ones I've bought that I never owned (a lot of Genesis games since I never had a Genesis):
Sonic the Hedgehog (although I had beaten it in the past)
Sim City
Streets of Rage
Kid Icarus
Gunstar Heroes
Castlevania IV

So far, I've only regretted Gradius (nostalgia blinders were on for that one) and Sim City... not that Sim City is bad it's just that the fact that I'm playing it and have to slide square by square on a grid when I'm playing it on a Wii with pretty much a free-floating mouse pointer irks me. It may be perfectly emulated from the SNES, but it's just when I'm playing I go "man, this would be so much easier if it actually just USED the damn Wii function." Now a Sim City 4 port on Wii...I'd be all over that. :)

Kobun Heat · (02-20-2007, 01:50 AM)

NEW ADVENTURE ISLAND, BITCHES.

BUY IT

Segata Sanshiro · (02-20-2007, 01:55 AM)

Originally Posted by Kobun Heat:

NEW ADVENTURE ISLAND, BITCHES.

BUY IT

BABUUUU!

Ranger X · (02-20-2007, 02:32 AM)

Originally Posted by splattergnome:

What is your ratio of "new games" (as in, never played before) to rebuying games that you have played before? And to people who try out "new" games, what are people's personal new hidden gems, and why? :)

I bought 6 games and 4 of them i did never own.
I'm there to buy games i don't want to spend premium on the internet or used store. I will also grab some timeless classics to play them in Component Cables.
Super Mario Bros in Component Cables in UNBELIEVABLE. I don't even want to touch my NES cartridge ever again.

MoxManiac · (02-20-2007, 02:47 AM)

Originally Posted by Pud:

Is it just me, or is the music in the TG16 Adventure Island really bad? I mean, sure the game itself is superior to the NES version (nowhere near as good as the 2.5D Gamecube remake from Japan, though) in every way except the god-awful music? I almost want the NES version because of it.

Well what they really should be putting up is Adventure Island II (NES). That game ****ing owned.

DMczaf · (02-20-2007, 02:49 AM)

Originally Posted by Ranger X:

Super Mario Bros in Component Cables in UNBELIEVABLE. I don't even want to touch my NES cartridge ever again.

That was my reaction. Wow, component REALLY helped it out.

GitarooMan · (02-20-2007, 03:10 AM)

Originally Posted by Pud:

Is it just me, or is the music in the TG16 Adventure Island really bad? I mean, sure the game itself is superior to the NES version (nowhere near as good as the 2.5D Gamecube remake from Japan, though) in every way except the god-awful music? I almost want the NES version because of it.

It's not just you, the music is really rough (sad because Super Adventure Island had some of the best SNES music ever). Game is pretty fun though.

Pellham · (02-20-2007, 03:43 AM)

i'm getting tired of these side scrollers and beat 'em ups. If they're gonna release some beat 'em ups, why not do the ones that were really good, like double dragon 2 or river city ransom? And I want some freakin' RPGs already.

japanese wii can't come soon enough, tired of this poor western selection.

Conrad Link · (02-20-2007, 04:25 AM)

Damn, took me a few goes to get passed the mine cart level on DKC.

I always hated those.

The game certainly looked better in my memories, but I doubt its helping playing on a 40' HD LCD heh.

While games like Super Mario World and Link to the Past look even more gorgeous, others like DKC struggle.

TG16 games look dumb stretched too, they along with a couple of NES ones (Zelda 1) I can not play 16x9 - have to force my TV to go 4x3 which looks silly too but ah well. At least my TV has the option to change the screen size, my old one forced widescreen when in 480p.

Wish Nintendo could change it so the games could be displayed properly without having to adjust the Wii settings first, I gave up doing that after I kept forgetting to change it back when going to play an actual Wii game.

Jammy · (02-20-2007, 04:34 AM)

I might as well join the fray and say that every one of my seven games I've downloaded are owned by me for the first time (Bonk, Gunstar, Military Madness, Ice Hockey, SMB, MK64, Mario World). Yes, I missed out on a lot, so the Virtual Console is getting more exciting for me all the time.

We've gotten solid weeks of releases for the past month on the VC. I can't wait until a couple years down the line to see the hundreds of titles available on the service, all with emulation fixes and maybe even an updated look for the channel.

dyls · (02-20-2007, 05:03 AM)

Originally Posted by Pellham:

i'm getting tired of these side scrollers and beat 'em ups. If they're gonna release some beat 'em ups, why not do the ones that were really good, like double dragon 2 or river city ransom? And I want some freakin' RPGs already.

japanese wii can't come soon enough, tired of this poor western selection.

Wow, I didn't think anyone was still complaining about the VC library. I guess GAF can always surprise you, huh?

underfooter · (02-20-2007, 05:11 AM)

I'm itching for DKC.

cartman414 · (02-20-2007, 05:19 AM)

Originally Posted by Drakken:

DKC is worth way more to me than Gunstar Heroes. GH was moderately enjoyable, but it was really short. And once I've played through it a few times, I'm not likely to play it again. One playthrough of DKC, on the other hand, offers a lot more gameplay time. And, there are levels in DKC I'd gladly replay for fun. Plus, it has pretty good music; Gunstar's is just OK.

Anyway, it seems silly to be comparing them, they're very different in style.

EDIT: Just want to add that so far, none of my purchases (all of which were games that I had never played before and wanted to try out due to recommendations) have been worth the money. Solomon's Key was interesting for a bit, but since I got stuck/challenged too much, I haven't felt motivated to play more. GH was enjoyable, like I said, but that's not something I'm going to keep going back to. I wasn't very impressed with Dungeon Explorer, but I didn't put much time into it. That's the only one that might end up being worthwhile, I think, assuming I ever play all the way through it with friends or something.

I really wish Nintendo would let you demo games before buying them. That wouldn't happen, though, because that would result in a lot less purchases once people realize lots of these games don't hold up now.

But, I could totally see DKC being worthwhile. It's a nice-size platformer that's a lot of fun, and it has good music. Plus, there's nostalgia. I own the original SNES game already, but I'd be much more willing to play it on the Wii than plug in the SNES and play it.

DKC having more impressive music is a given, being that it was piped from the SNES chip as opposed to the Genesis chip.

And while Gunstar has more levels, they're more varied than those of the DKC levels, and pack more high octane thrills. Ditto on the bosses.

ethelred · (02-20-2007, 05:23 AM)

Originally Posted by dyls:

Wow, I didn't think anyone was still complaining about the VC library. I guess GAF can always surprise you, huh?

Well, I can kinda see where someone's coming from on that. My favorite genre is RPG. Now, the Genesis and SNES had a ton of great RPGs released in English -- about an even number of quality ones across the two systems. But not a single one is up on the VC right now. So for me, it's pretty annoying to sit around and not be getting any games in this genre. And I can see where someone's coming from when they see a week of a bunch of shooters, a bunch of platformers, a bunch of action games... and week after week goes by and there's still no RPGs. That's not the only genre being ignored right now, either, and yes, it grates when you look at the Japanese VC and there aren't such holes in the library.

However, from a more objective standpoint, I would say that while the US VC is not nearly as good as what's available for Japan right now, it's still a good library. There are a lot of really high quality games, a lot of classic greats... it just needs more work in the variety. There shouldn't be several genres of games still being ignored at this point.

Shard · (02-20-2007, 09:25 AM)

Originally Posted by dyls:

Wow, I didn't think anyone was still complaining about the VC library. I guess GAF can always surprise you, huh?

He does however have a valid point, there doesn't seem to be, well, anything of the RPG variety on the western VC.

On that note, I for one want Sega to get around to releasing Shining Force and Shining Force II for the VC.

Scenester · (02-20-2007, 10:02 AM)

For sure VC needs more RPGs. Im hoping for Earthbound, personally

Error · (02-20-2007, 10:06 AM)

omg street of rage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pikelet · (02-20-2007, 10:20 AM)

Everyone hating on Gunstar heroes needs to play it on a harder difficulty or in co-op

Conrad Link · (02-20-2007, 10:26 AM)

Maybe next month is RPG month and all we'll get is 4 weeks of RPGs then all the puzzle game fans will come out crying about how its nothing but RPGs and nothing for them and that VC sucks for variety!

In all honestly I just think its cause RPGs take longer to test, they gotta test these things first right? Make sure they work properly on the emulator?

I'm guessing a Phantasy Star or Earthbound can't be far away..... we know Mario RPG is onw for sure so that's one thing to look forward too.

later · (02-20-2007, 10:27 AM)

I'm playing gunstar with suspended mode -- my brother came in and made the second character. However, now every time someone wants to play along it is the same character.. Can you change the second character at all? It's basically the same as the 1st player, my brother just randomly pushed some buttons...

Pikelet · (02-20-2007, 10:39 AM)

Quote:

Can you change the second character at all?

What do you mean by this? You cant change the colour or anything like that if thats what you mean.

I Push Fat Kids · (02-20-2007, 10:40 AM)

jesustits I forgot how much I love Kid Icarus

Seriously has my favorite music on the NES. Game is godly.

BradVanDam · (02-20-2007, 11:43 AM)

Donkey Kong Country
Streets of Rage
New Adventure Island

Total = Purchased

Dave Long · (02-20-2007, 02:45 PM)

I bought Gunstar Heroes on Virtual Console even though I own the cart (and have since the day it came out) just to make sure you guys weren't playing a screwed up version of the game or something. The only thing that's wrong is Red doesn't shout HEY! when he picks up the gems in the first four levels. While that's an admittedly rotten thing for them to leave out, it certainly didn't change how COMPLETELY FRIGGING AWESOME THIS GAME IS!

Seriously... the Dice Palace?! Seven Force?! Seven Force AGAIN IN SPACE!! The "running" boss!?!?!!! GOLDEN SILVER! You're all out of your minds.

BatiGOOOOOOL · (02-20-2007, 03:22 PM)

Man, DKC is still awesome. Sure, it's a whole lot easier today than it was for me as a 12 year old and the bosses are pathetic, but I still love it. Got past the first two worlds in a breeze and hoping to play a lot more tonight.

Ranger X · (02-20-2007, 05:43 PM)

Originally Posted by DMczaf:

That was my reaction. Wow, component REALLY helped it out.

Actually, all NES and SNES games are awesome like that because the Wii display the original resolution. If you're with an SDTV (and one that doesn't have proscan feature or double the scanlines automatically) you end up with a display that correspond to "240p" and it just kick the original NES and SNES ass.
I never knew my "non-proscan" TV would actually do proscan LOL

JoshuaJSlone · (02-20-2007, 05:57 PM)

Originally Posted by Dave Long:

I bought Gunstar Heroes on Virtual Console even though I own the cart (and have since the day it came out) just to make sure you guys weren't playing a screwed up version of the game or something. The only thing that's wrong is Red doesn't shout HEY! when he picks up the gems in the first four levels. While that's an admittedly rotten thing for them to leave out, it certainly didn't change how COMPLETELY FRIGGING AWESOME THIS GAME IS!

Seriously... the Dice Palace?! Seven Force?! Seven Force AGAIN IN SPACE!! The "running" boss!?!?!!! GOLDEN SILVER! You're all out of your minds.

It's a quality piece of work, for sure. But I've never been big into that entire genre, and Gunstar Heroes didn't change that. I still suck at Contra III, but I'm getting more out of it anyway due to nostalgia.

infiniteloop · (02-20-2007, 06:17 PM)

NES Turtles, and ZAMN!

gkrykewy · (02-20-2007, 06:22 PM)

Originally Posted by infiniteloop:

NES Turtles, and ZAMN!

Holy shit, one of those is the TMNT arcade port, right? Instant purchase.

Dave Long · (02-20-2007, 06:23 PM)

No, the Ubi game is based on the new film I think.

Somnid · (02-20-2007, 06:25 PM)

Originally Posted by gkrykewy:

Holy shit, one of those is the TMNT arcade port, right? Instant purchase.

My guess would be one is the NES game for VC and the other is the game based on the upcoming movie.

DMczaf · 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by infiniteloop:

NES Turtles, and ZAMN!

That better not be the first NES TMNT game.
That better not be the first NES TMNT game.
That better not be the first NES TMNT game.
That better not be the first NES TMNT game.
That better not be the first NES TMNT game.
That better not be the first NES TMNT game.

Carlisle · (02-20-2007, 06:26 PM)

Oh snaps. I loved those NES Turtles games... please give us Turtles in Time for SNES!

Also, out of curiosity, has anyone here purchased, or know someone who has purchased, every VC release to date?

levious · (02-20-2007, 06:26 PM)

if that's true does that give a lot of hope to other old licensed games?

Diablohead · (02-20-2007, 06:26 PM)

Nes turtles is still a fun game, though tedious and hard. worth it :P

Zerodoppler · (02-20-2007, 06:28 PM)

Licensed content and ZAMN on the VC?!

infiniteloop · 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Somnid:

My guess would be one is the NES game for VC and the other is the game based on the upcoming movie.

sounds right... the NES one is probably:

DMczaf · (02-20-2007, 06:29 PM)

mosaic · (02-20-2007, 06:30 PM)

Ugh.. the first TMNT on SNES was garbage... I hope Konami has the sense to skip that one and release 2 or 3.

Chibbi Brady · (02-20-2007, 06:30 PM)

Omg, Turtles and Zombies. Fantastic, didn't think we'd ever get any of the old Turtle games. This might give us hope for some of the other licensed games from the past, fingers crossed for Duck Tales and Castle of Illusion.

LakeEarth · (02-20-2007, 06:34 PM)

(prays for Turtles in Time)

Its one of those games I sold as a kid and TOTALLY regret it. That, Batman Returns, and Battletoads for the GB.

maynerd · (02-20-2007, 06:36 PM)

Originally Posted by infiniteloop:

sounds right... the NES one is probably:

I hope it's not that one.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Arcade Game or turtles in time is prefered!

gkrykewy · (02-20-2007, 06:39 PM)

The one I want is this one: http://www.flyingomelette.com/reviews/nes/tmnt2.html, but it would probably be listed as TMNT2 if that's what we were getting. Damn.