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MCV: Retail sources talk used Xbox One games, £35 for used game in UK [U2: Eurogamer]
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Duxxy3
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What evidence?
The reason that this used/borrowed game policy is even able to work is because of the 24 hour check in.
The playstation 4 doesn't require an internet connection, at all.
The possibility that developers start flocking to MS because they know they can get their money back on used sales.
I'm beginning to think that a lot of this MS DRM is due to developer pressure. If Sony doesn't partake in a similar system then developers may not be happy with them
Also, what happens when Gamestop and others stop buying XO games? It's not like you can sell N64 games to them anymore. There will be no "classic" XO games market 10 years from now if they become impossible to sell/buy.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Eurogamer have a huge update about this
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-xbox-one-game-trade-ins-will-work-apparently
Update: You, the shopper, won't have to pay the activation fee for a used Xbox One game - the shop will. Therefore, the price you see on a second-hand Xbox One game in a shop is the price you'll pay to be able to play it.
That's what a high-ranking UK industry source explained to me this afternoon.
The reason there's all this confusion is because Microsoft hasn't decided what the activation fee will be yet. The £35 figure reported in the story below sounds too high - perhaps it includes the shop's sale price as well.
My source confirmed that part of that activation fee will go to a publisher and part to Microsoft.
What this means for second-hand games is that Microsoft effectively controls how much they cost, because it controls the activation fee. Whether that fee will move up or down or diminish over time isn't clear. But it does mean second-hand games will probably be more expensive than they are now.
My source didn't know what Sony was up to but doubts the PlayStation maker will do the same thing, not because it's angelic but because it lacks the kind of pricey infrastructure something like this requires.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-xbox-one-game-trade-ins-will-work-apparently
Update: You, the shopper, won't have to pay the activation fee for a used Xbox One game - the shop will. Therefore, the price you see on a second-hand Xbox One game in a shop is the price you'll pay to be able to play it.
That's what a high-ranking UK industry source explained to me this afternoon.
The reason there's all this confusion is because Microsoft hasn't decided what the activation fee will be yet. The £35 figure reported in the story below sounds too high - perhaps it includes the shop's sale price as well.
My source confirmed that part of that activation fee will go to a publisher and part to Microsoft.
What this means for second-hand games is that Microsoft effectively controls how much they cost, because it controls the activation fee. Whether that fee will move up or down or diminish over time isn't clear. But it does mean second-hand games will probably be more expensive than they are now.
My source didn't know what Sony was up to but doubts the PlayStation maker will do the same thing, not because it's angelic but because it lacks the kind of pricey infrastructure something like this requires.
But there's no law that says third parties can't have online requirements inside a game. All EA has to do is require you login to their server before you're allowed to play. If the game has been sold, identification fails and it's deactivated. It doesn't really matter if it sits on somebody's hard drive for 60 days. As long as nobody is playing it, it's not "harming" EA. What's important is they lose their ability the first time they boot it. And that's easily achievable.
Last Hearth
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We can't stop it before it comes out, because they are convinced it will work.
What we can do is refused to buy it, and watch them crash and burn, which I think will happen.
I was already convinced that next-gen is going to crash and burn anyway, as most people will opt to stay with their 360/ps3. I am now even more convinced. The next gen consoles will be greeted with the same enthusiasm as the Vita and the WiiU. Nobody will want them.
Damn at that update. I'm kind of expecting the likes of GameStop are going to be playing hardball afterall.
By the way,s omethin that came to mind: Have they talked about these games being buyable day-and-date on XBL? Because if not, wow, talk about missing the point and acting as if it were late 90s/early 2000s PC.
By the way,s omethin that came to mind: Have they talked about these games being buyable day-and-date on XBL? Because if not, wow, talk about missing the point and acting as if it were late 90s/early 2000s PC.
Then why the fuck is MSFT doing this if that's so easily done without MSFT?
No it isn't. They just killed most of their competition for those used games.
I know GAME aren't exactly playing "hardball" - from what I understand so far it's a "sure whatever you say" kind of attitude.
If sony doesn't do it (they probably won't) this is most likely the reason they won't. This costs a lot of money up front.
Demoncarnotaur
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See, I would rather they just kill used games at this point so we don't need persistent online checkups.
Also, I feel in this scenario if the consumer trades the game in, they will get an even smaller cut.
Also, I feel in this scenario if the consumer trades the game in, they will get an even smaller cut.
ConfusedCat
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i cant believe we still using JT as an insult lol
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Yea, that makes sense. But I think it was discussed earlier in the thread that Sony has other factors pulling it away from implementing this kind of mechanism (for example, the huge Japanese market for used games).
(And I'm even a Chelsea fan!!)Really. They're going off of EA removing Online Passes. One company. The actions of one company have everyone judging all other gaming companies. They don't even bring up how the Xbox is getting exclusive content from EA that the Playstation isn't. To me that could be evidence of Sony not wanting to play ball, thus giving the company that does extra stuff.
Jacksonlee
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i hope you're right... i'd rather the industry crash and burn, than them restricting the things we buy.
but people are stupid. i've been saying that for a while now.
darkistheway
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Once again Microsoft is trying to use their (perceived) influence to dictate how the market works.
I really hope they fail with this initiative; I think they will as their influence isn't what they think it is. The living room entertainment market is pretty competitive.
I really hope they fail with this initiative; I think they will as their influence isn't what they think it is. The living room entertainment market is pretty competitive.
ea stopped making games for wiiu alltogether so whats your point ? sony will do the same you can bet on it. and if they do you can expect a similar 24 hour check
Last Hearth
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You're missing the point, there is nothing inherently wrong with limiting the reselling of your product. But people need to realize that this move reduced the value of the product they are buying, so it's an effective price hike.
10% of nothing is still nothing. They don't have much choice in the matter.
The same thing can still be applied with "offline passes", even on the PS3.
ConfusedCat
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1) Mattrick used to work for EA and has friends there...
2) Moneyhats
or yeah maybe its because of DRM
edit: i heard a rumour FIFA 14 ultimate team is exclusive to Xbox One on next gen platforms
thats fucking huge in europe if true :\
Unless you don't stock the machine - I know it's drastic but still. Why back a horse that's screwing you?
Nope - exclusive content IN Ultimate team.
dead souls
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Fucking disgusting. Every time I think I couldn't be less interested in an Xbox One Microsoft proves me wrong.
Yep, and gives Microsoft every ability to control the price.
this was announced during the reveal. Supposedly it's just exclusive features, not the whole deal.
Just what we want, one company controlling all the pricing for the games. Want to play a game that was released 4 years ago? Yup it is still 54.99.
Because EA and MS have a lot of cross pollination among executives. And MS is arrogant enough to believe it won't matter. So they don't mind taking the PR hit on it.
EDIT: Wikipedia Don Mattrick. He's an EA golden boy. Dude was a player in his teens in this industry.
Uno Venova
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And apparently. This is "fair".
Meus Renaissance
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that are newly released. I haven't sold or bought a pre-owned game from a retailer for years because of this. What this policy means is the seller will get even less value from the retailer but this will mean less people trade in games.
ConfusedCat
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oh so just like last year, the exclusive Hack edition
I don't buy used games, but this sounds terrible, needs some form of sell price protection. You are completely at the mercy of the chains that have this setup with MS, you either sell to them at the value they decide to give you or you don't sell your games at all vs. being able to hawk the games on ebay, CL, etc. If you thought you were getting bad trade-in deals now, just wait until gamestop and the like have ZERO competition. That's not even touching on the other complaints made in this thread.
Nope. The only party losing money in this scenario is the consumer. Less money in the consumers pocket equals less money spent on games.
Sorc3r3r
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twisteddeeds
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Also destroys any people building a long term game collection ala ps1,ps2 xbox et al...
Then that means that they won't do it on other systems, so it's really a loss for MSFT...
this.
True - but that price drops over time (usually) - with this new system it won't.
What happens if you want to buy a XBone game that's 3-4 years old? Would you still have to pay "full price" for it under this system?
Last Hearth
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Microsoft overplayed their hand here. No one will buy this thing. Why would they, the 360 is much more attractive option to any new consumers, and who in their right might would upgrade to this if they already have a 360?
XxHANNERxX
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Some people just don't take this as seriously as the rest. Or it just plain doesn't bother them like me. I buy new, day 1 or later after price drop, not used. I do not trade games in very often, if at all. I do not lend my games out. Soooooo.... none of this affects me in the slightest. I have stable and consistant internet all day every day. It works for me is all. I am not worried about how this affects others, and others should not worry about how this affects me. Just my opinion is all.
Phawx
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Agreed. MS definitely knows GameStops ~6000 locations is huge to move hardware. Ultimately though, MS and Sony are holding the cards for consoles going into the future. They decide if GameStop will be getting a piece of that pie.
As it is with Gamestop now buying tablets, iphones and ipods, GS is essentially turning into an electronics pawn shop. Impulse was an attempt at getting into DD but really only GoG and Steam matter (from reading indie devs sales history).
So yea, I agree they are a large and influential player. But ultimately if push comes to shove, I think MS would have opened more MS stores in key areas and did the rest via online sales if necessary.
Hell 10% to GS (or other pre-owned buyers) is generous.
If someone buys one or two games per year and likes fantasy football, its an ok deal.