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Voror
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(06-18-2013, 11:52 PM)
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I take back what I said earlier. I would have loved if Dead Sun had come to fruition even if it is odd not to have Kain as the main character. And what little is there about what they were going for at least gave the impression that they understood some of the themes and the importance of story in the series.

I just don't understand how you can go and take a series with such great story and potential and then just go an cancel the single player game, releasing the multiplayer only. It's just such a waste and given how much Climax were putting into it makes it even worse.

Although it has been amazing what the previous teams were able to do with incorporating the material of other games into this series. Rather admirable really. What is Amy Hennig doing these days anyway? I know she went to Naughty Dog, but was she on The Last of Us or potentially what the other team is doing?
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Valion
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(06-18-2013, 11:53 PM)
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Incredible thread! Pity about Dead Sun, looked like it could have turned into something good.
Samir Sedlar
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(06-18-2013, 11:57 PM)
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Really awesome work, Thanks alot for sharing this amount of information with us.


Personally I am really skeptical about the new LoK MP based game, after all I am a heavily SP guy, I hope the MP is appealing somehow, but I still think the single player of Dead Sun wouldn't have been good for me.


I mean it is Legacy of Kain, so I want to play as Kain, it's the reason why I love Blood Omen 1&2 and Defiance, Raziel was amazing, but having both playable in Defiance was epic, I just love Kain.


I have no idea what the future holds for LoK, it pains me to see such awesome games cancelled, and it pains me more how the story could have ended but didn't, and now we are left on a cliffhanger that will never be resolved.

I suspect any new game will include totally new characters, which is a disappointment to say the least, Legacy of Kain is one of my favorite franchises ever.
nowai
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(06-18-2013, 11:59 PM)
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As always, mind blowingly fantastic work!
SeanNoonan
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(06-18-2013, 11:59 PM)
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I had a couple of friends on Dead Sun - I was gutted when I heard it died/they lost their jobs.

Tough times for SE.
Uncle Rupee
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(06-19-2013, 12:04 AM)
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Great thread. Not-so-great series.
Fou-Lu
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(06-19-2013, 12:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Uncle Rupee

Great thread. Not-so-great series.

.....What is wrong with you?
Leynos
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(06-19-2013, 12:13 AM)
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Thanks for all the work, Mama Robotnic. Your threads are always a treat to read.

A big shame about Dead Sun. I don't understand why these game companies keep trying to cram multi-player into single-player only series. I've no interest in that.

Was really interested to learn about Chakan 2. And Dr. Who, and ST:TNG aren't really in the same universe....are they?
RurouniZel
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(06-19-2013, 12:30 AM)
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Mama Robotnik.

World's first true videogame historian.
JDSN
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(06-19-2013, 12:38 AM)
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Great threaad, and much as I rolled my eyes when I saw Climax's name come out, Dead Sun sounds like an interesting premise. Shame.
Mister_Bubbles
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(06-19-2013, 01:34 AM)
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Wow. Incredible work! Thanks for piecing all this together; Dead Sun sounds like it would have shaped up really nicely :(
Night Hunter
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(06-19-2013, 01:43 AM)
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Why, Square, why?

People would have bought anything if they brought it as a launch title. Certainly this would have paid off, especially if it was already far along. A little bit of marketing so people knew this exists and bam - $$$
Ahasverus
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(06-19-2013, 02:19 AM)
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SE saved Sleeping Dogs but didn't save this. Why god, why.
Samir Sedlar
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(06-19-2013, 02:23 AM)
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Looking at the new combat screens, I don't think I like Gein/Asher look that much, he can't compare to Kain or Raziel. --- if we only got the Dark Prophecy to wrap Kain's story, then Dead Sun as a totally new story, I would have been alot more welcoming, but alas we are not getting any.



Regarding those combat screens, I really wish we could have a video showing the combat system, I am really interested in how it would have worked, jumping, stabbing, blood everywhere, hmmmmm.
marrec
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(06-19-2013, 02:31 AM)
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Originally Posted by RurouniZel

Mama Robotnik.

World's first true videogame historian.

We badly need videogame historians too. We've lost so much from the early days of Japanese development... I'm glad we have M. Robo to count on for some of this stuff.
Big_Al
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(06-19-2013, 02:35 AM)
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Absolutely fantastic thread Mama Robotnik, love your threads :)

Dead Sun though, that's just so gutting to read about. The thought of a LoK MP game is not appealing to me in the slightest regardless of how good it actually is.
Jetman
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(06-19-2013, 07:44 AM)
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wow, thank you much for doing this! Very interesting read. Subscribed and will definitely subscribe to your other threads and give them a look! Good work!
Amagon
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(06-19-2013, 07:53 AM)
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This game ain't my cup of tea but good stuff there as always Mama.
BobTheFork
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(06-19-2013, 07:55 AM)
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Great thread as always but reading this just depresses me :/ I'm love aother full LoK games, even if they have to reboot
Lord Panda
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(06-19-2013, 08:20 AM)
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Those Dead Sun images broke my heart :(
Grayman
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(06-19-2013, 08:55 AM)
A series i only played at the start but great work Mama Robotnik
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(06-19-2013, 08:56 AM)
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Today I learned there almost was a Chakan II

fuck
Minions
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(06-19-2013, 09:07 AM)
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That is a lot of canceled games. Some looked really good (The ps2 release that was canceled, and the PS3 release)

Too bad too. I'm sure there are tons of games we never even hear about that get aborted.
golem
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(06-19-2013, 09:15 AM)
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Damn you Square! We were so close...

Maybe if War for Nosgoth does decently they'll try a SP game again
Syph Medwes
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(06-19-2013, 09:27 AM)
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Excellent thread as always, appreciate the work you put in.
IdreamofHIME
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(06-19-2013, 09:35 AM)
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I still don't understand what Nosfgoth is? A game made from the bones of Dead Sun or something entirely new?
PopeReal
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(06-19-2013, 09:40 AM)
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Love reading about games that never saw the light of day.

Thanks for the great thread!
kogasu
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(06-19-2013, 09:44 AM)
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I haven't finished reading yet but I just had to stop and say how AMAZING this is. So much work was put into this . Excellent job Mama Robotnik! I really love this series and it really sucks to see it's had a lot of bad luck with cancelled games.
Gangxxter
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(06-19-2013, 01:33 PM)
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Wow, great thread! Thank you OP!
marrec
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(06-19-2013, 01:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by IdreamofHIME

I still don't understand what Nosfgoth is? A game made from the bones of Dead Sun or something entirely new?

From what I understand of what I read it's just the multiplayer ripped from Dead Sun right?
Monkeythumbz
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(06-19-2013, 02:01 PM)
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I’ve been watching this post and I thought you might want a bit more information. I can confirm that Dead Sun was a project which had been in development - but which was cancelled.

I know it’s disappointing to hear about these things out of context, and whilst some of the details released are accurate - some details are not. You know game projects can be cancelled for a variety of different reasons and I know it’s very hard to tell from images and info alone, but in the end LoK: Dead Sun just wasn’t the right game, at the right time… but you’ll have to take me at my word on that, I’m afraid.

Obviously, it’s not usual for assets from cancelled games to be released, but given that there’s a lot out there already I thought you might appreciate seeing a few more images that were taken from the previously in-progress game.

As you’ll be aware, we’re currently working on a multiplayer game firmly set within the Legacy of Kain universe called Nosgoth, which we’re very proud of. It’s grown in size and scope since its initial conception and we’ll be talking more about it in the future. While we’re not working on a single-player Legacy of Kain game right now, that doesn’t mean it’s not something we’d look at making in the future.



















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V_Ben
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(06-19-2013, 02:10 PM)
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Wow, Monkeythumbz. Thank you so much for getting permission to post that stuff.
Stealth_Cobra
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(06-19-2013, 02:12 PM)
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Thanks for the post Monkeythumbz.

Good to hear official info on the latest LOK game and see some never before seen concept art.

I'm willing to believe cancelling Dead Sun was a good thing overall. I think most fans would prefer a reboot or continuation to the series rather than a sort of spinoff with new characters and set in the far future... Hopefully some of the best art assets will make it into the next proper single player LOK game... Eventually.

Still , it makes me wonder even more about the War for Nosgoth multiplayer game ?
marrec
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(06-19-2013, 02:17 PM)
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Wow, did not expect any official communication about this. Obviously games are canceled for reasons, but it would be unfortunate if it was canceled because initial sales projections and the budget allocations based on those projections.

It's obvious that a new LoK property would be successful but it's not going to be a blockbuster I don't think.
Musiol
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(06-19-2013, 02:18 PM)
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@Monkeythumbz - Wow, this is so awesome. Thank you for posting this. I really hope that someday we will see trailer of single player LoK game.
Deku Tree
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(06-19-2013, 02:20 PM)
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These threads are always good.
King of the Potato People
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(06-19-2013, 02:47 PM)
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Thanks for sharing Monkeythumbz

I thought a few projects at SE “weren’t the right game at the right time” but they got made. Dead Sun looked like one that could have been promising. I’m curious in learning more about why it got cancelled… but understand that information likely won’t be revealed.
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(06-19-2013, 03:33 PM)
I remember when thegia.com broke the story of Soul Reaver's alternate ending and all the cut content. I pored over the sound files, transcribing them and analyzing them, comparing the retail Soul Reaver levels to the demo levels. Looking at every nook and cranny in the game and noting everything that looked like a blocked, would-have-lead-to-a-cut-area passage. I kinda remember annoying people on ICQ with my fondness for the topic too.

It is hard for me to overstate how much I personally enjoy these threads, Mama Robotnik. Thanks for all this.

And thank you Monkeythumbz for your community outreach. The fans really do appreciate it.
Tummi Gummi
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(06-19-2013, 03:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Monkeythumbz

I’ve been watching this post and I thought you might want a bit more information. I can confirm that Dead Sun was a project which had been in development - but which was cancelled.

*snip*

Thanks Monkey, that stuff was very interesting.
Choke on the Magic
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(06-19-2013, 03:53 PM)
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Great thread Robotnik. LAK was one of my favorite series. Subscribed.
Pixel Warrior
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(06-19-2013, 03:58 PM)
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Very nice thread. Such a good series, hope it comes back for real.
Gangxxter
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(06-19-2013, 04:08 PM)
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Thank you Monkeythumbz!

Are those artworks from Dead Sun or War For Nosgoth now? Because they're uploaded to a photobucket album called "WarForNosgoth"...
Monkeythumbz
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(06-19-2013, 04:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gangxxter

Thank you Monkeythumbz!

Are those artworks from Dead Sun or War For Nosgoth now? Because they're uploaded to a photobucket album called "WarForNosgoth"...

They're all taken from Dead Sun. I created that Photobucket account just for this purpose and used the first name I could think of tbh.
Bravocado
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(06-19-2013, 06:05 PM)
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What a fascinating, well-made topic, as well as a sad reminder of how much potential this series once had.
Ahasverus
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(06-19-2013, 07:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Monkeythumbz

They're all taken from Dead Sun. I created that Photobucket account just for this purpose and used the first name I could think of tbh.

Stop stepping on my heart's ashes :(
Reallink
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(06-19-2013, 07:28 PM)
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Why God, why?!? Dead Sun looks awesome.
NakedCosmonaut
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(06-19-2013, 07:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mama Robotnik


The following image has some of the earliest dialogue in the series – unfortunately it isn’t all eligible. If anyone is better at reading faded blurry writing, please tell me what he end of this says!

"I do not have that problem. I kill for fun." Seems to make the most sense in context
Morrigan Stark
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(06-19-2013, 09:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by NakedCosmonaut

"I do not have that problem. I kill for fun." Seems to make the most sense in context

Oh, well done. Yeah, that sounds good.


Originally Posted by Monkeythumbz

I’ve been watching this post and I thought you might want a bit more information. I can confirm that Dead Sun was a project which had been in development - but which was cancelled.

Thanks for posting the information. But:

but in the end LoK: Dead Sun just wasn’t the right game, at the right time…

What does that even mean? "We think it won't sell"? "Vampires aren't a trendy bandwagon to jump on anymore"? Seriously, what?
vio
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(06-19-2013, 09:19 PM)
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Great art Monkeythumbz, too bad the game is not coming out.
Monkeythumbz
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(06-20-2013, 07:10 PM)
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So I’ve seen some comments in some areas of the games media interpreting Nosgoth’s existence as something that was somehow ‘pulled’ from the cancelled Dead Sun game. Obviously it’s always fun to try and suggest conclusions, and that's completely understandable when there’s not a lot of information around (which will always be the case with something like a cancelled game).

But I can categorically confirm that Nosgoth was a separate game from the beginning and is very much a unique game in its own right. It was related to the single-player game in terms of a shared art direction, but was always set in an entirely different time period and features different mechanics, characters, levels and gameplay. It isn’t and never was just a multiplayer version of the single-player game.

Personally, I can’t wait to show you exactly what we’ve been working on.

EDIT: Just for clarity, had Dead Sun shipped then Nosgoth would have been its multiplayer companion game. However, to categorize it as the "the multiplayer component of Dead Sun pulled out and fleshed out" isn't really accurate, nor does it do the game justice IMHO.
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