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crazy buttocks on a train
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(06-20-2013, 10:05 PM)
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Zombie James
(06-20-2013, 10:06 PM)
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The 45 minute restriction's been confirmed? That would have been some slimy MS bullshit keeping that little bit of information a secret.

edit: 60 minutes? Any time limit is still a horrible bait-and-switch.
Last edited by Zombie James; 06-20-2013 at 10:11 PM.
Jomjom
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(06-20-2013, 10:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by crazy buttocks on a train

60sigh--

60 minutes? not 45? What does that meannnnn. We need a translation stat!
Nerfgun
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(06-20-2013, 10:08 PM)
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Doesn't really matter if the time limit is accurate (was accurate) or not. We'll never see this version of the sharing, whatever it is/was.

Makes me think this was to be the new equivalent of Zune "squirting" songs.
Crimson_Gold
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(06-20-2013, 10:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by crazy buttocks on a train

60sigh--

So this was a glorified demo distribution system?

I am not surprised. There was no way it was what people had been imagining it would be.
Satchel
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(06-20-2013, 10:09 PM)
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So pastebin goes from being banned to being worthy of confirmation?
Fracas
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(06-20-2013, 10:09 PM)
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CBOAT has spoken!
jett
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(06-20-2013, 10:09 PM)
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Naive doesn't cut it for people that thought they were going to be allowed to freely share their shit with 10 random people without any restrictions.
SRTtoZ
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(06-20-2013, 10:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by crazy buttocks on a train

60sigh--

<3

So this was a glorified demo share plan? lol.
VibratingDonkey
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(06-20-2013, 10:09 PM)
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Everything's so crazy.
gazele
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(06-20-2013, 10:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Satchel

So pastebin goes from being banned to being worthy of confirmation?

Well the fact that cboat is here does give some support for the rumor
Zemm
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(06-20-2013, 10:10 PM)
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I kind of wish they didn't back peddle on the DRM just so I could see them explain this 45 minute 'game sharing' farce.
Nerfgun
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(06-20-2013, 10:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by jett

Naive doesn't cut it for people that thought they were going to be allowed to freely share their shit with 10 random people without any restrictions.

I humbly submit that these people should be referred to as evian.
ThatGuy707
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(06-20-2013, 10:10 PM)

Originally Posted by King Tubby

Gonna echo the other people who say to keep this feature for digital games only. It would create a strong incentive to buy digital without having to lower digital game prices, thereby getting rid of the problem of used games without alienating the consumer. It'd generate some much needed goodwill and be a feature MS could use over Sony. It doesn't make sense that they'd get rid of this feature completely just to be vindictive.

They probably got rid of it because they need to make sure that retail games are more appealing than digital games. Otherwise they will lose the support of the retailers and then the Xbox One really would be in trouble. Their solution before was to treat everything as digital so retail and digital were almost on even footing. Retail still had some advantages (reselling/ limited editions/etc.).

They didn't just get rid of it to be an ass like some people believe just to make MS look bad for removing DRM...
SRTtoZ
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(06-20-2013, 10:11 PM)
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No wonder why they didnt explain the family sharing completely. It SOUNDED cool until you knew ALL of the details.

ps: I'm pretty sure cboat is Major Nelson.
nib95
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(06-20-2013, 10:11 PM)
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Well, Cboat did say as much. Lol at Microsoft. Fuck em. They listened, and I am genuinely grateful for that, and I will buy their console eventually. But not any time soon. You can't treat us like this and expect to just get away with it just like that.
shink
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(06-20-2013, 10:12 PM)
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If this is true. What a mess that would have been
Junior Mint
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(06-20-2013, 10:12 PM)
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LOOOOOOOOL

My god, can you imagine if they actually launched with this?
coldfoot
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(06-20-2013, 10:13 PM)
LOL, with PS+ you can get 1 hour trials for many games already for free. None of this family BS.

CBOAT confirmed pastebin, and LOL @ people who thought MS/publishers would allow them to share their games with 10 random people over the internet.
Jomjom
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(06-20-2013, 10:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zemm

I kind of wish they didn't back peddle on the DRM just so I could see them explain this 45 minute 'game sharing' farce.

That definitely would have been a tough one.

"Today we are rolling out a program essentially like what PS3 had with Full Game Trials, except you have to know someone who owns the full game, and even then you can only share the trial with 9 people. Oh and to top it off we give you 15 less minutes for the trial because we here at Microsoft value your time.


...Oh yeah by the way have you seen Titanfall?"
SRTtoZ
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(06-20-2013, 10:14 PM)
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The odd thing is how happy that MS employee was with the current family plan. "You get to play 30-45 minutes (we haven't decided on a limit) and then after the limit is up it takes you right to the Marketplace where you can BUY THE GAME!!!!"

yay?
catstronaut
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(06-20-2013, 10:15 PM)
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The family sharing plan sounded amazing when I thought you could just play your share members' games how you wanted.

45 minutes though, that's like a demo. A really solid demo. No reason why they couldn't still do that.
Averon
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(06-20-2013, 10:15 PM)
So the Family Plan was just a glorified demo sharing scheme.

The notion that MS and the publishers would be OK with allowing you to give away full $60 retail games to 10 people with little to no restrictions was absurd on its face. Also the whining by some that we gamers killed this "awesome" feature look like gullible clowns now. Hell, MS been making a lot of people looking like clown lately.
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Satchel
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(06-20-2013, 10:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by catstronaut

The family sharing plan sounded amazing when I thought you could just play your share members' games how you wanted.

45 minutes though, that's like a demo. A really solid demo. No reason why they couldn't still do that.

If it really was just a demo program, then there's absolutely zero reason they couldn't still do it, which is why I doubt it was a demo program.

Originally Posted by Averon

So the Family Plan was just a glorified demo sharing scheme.

The notion that MS and the publishers would be OK with allowing you to give away full $60 retail games to 10 people with little to no restrictions was absurd on its face.

But now you CAN do that with your disc. So I really doubt it was a demo program. Makes no sense. By removing the DRM, you can give your disc to 100 people. Under the sharing program, 10 people max. If it was a demo program, they could have left it in even with the DRM gone.
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Dave Meltzer
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(06-20-2013, 10:16 PM)

Originally Posted by Averon

So the Family Plan was just a glorified demo sharing scheme.

The notion that MS and the publishers would be OK with allowing you to give away full $60 retail games to 10 people with little to no restrictions was absurd on its face.

Well apparently they're ok with lending physical copies of games to up to 10 people, so whats the difference?
MikeE21286
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(06-20-2013, 10:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zombie James

The 45 minute restriction's been confirmed? That would have been some slimy MS bullshit keeping that little bit of information a secret.

edit: 60 minutes? Any time limit is still a horrible bait-and-switch.

I don't know if it was "bait and switch" just GAF got all excited over the feature before knowing all the details.

I think most of us here assumed that the Family Plan was always too good to be true, in theory.

I'll gladly give it up for no DRM.
Reallink
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(06-20-2013, 10:16 PM)
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It would have been glorious to see the reactions had MS taken DRM all the way and spilled these details right at launch, or even better, let people discover the limitations themselves.
jett
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(06-20-2013, 10:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by nib95

Well, Cboat did say as much. Lol at Microsoft. Fuck em. They listened, and I am genuinely grateful for that, and I will buy their console eventually. But not any time soon. You can't treat us like this and expect to just get away with it just like that.

This sounds like a person who has clearly not seen Titanfall.
spookyfish
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(06-20-2013, 10:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by jett

Naive doesn't cut it for people that thought they were going to be allowed to freely share their shit with 10 random people without any restrictions.

Yep. It was being hyped up -- IMAGINE THAT! -- to override the negative press.
Jomjom
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(06-20-2013, 10:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Satchel

If it really was just a demo program, then there's absolutely zero reason they couldn't still do it, which is why I doubt it was a demo program.

Er... that's the thing. MS has insinuated they are still doing it. Just not at launch.

But judging from your avatar it's ok man you don't need to try to justify your preorder to others here. As long as you like it, what does it matter what others think?

Originally Posted by Dave Meltzer

Well apparently they're ok with lending physical copies of games to up to 10 people, so whats the difference?

Digital sharing with 10 people and passing a disc to 10 different people is not at all the same...
Last edited by Jomjom; 06-20-2013 at 10:20 PM.
King Tubby
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(06-20-2013, 10:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by ThatGuy707

They probably got rid of it because they need to make sure that retail games are more appealing than digital games. Otherwise they will lose the support of the retailers and then the Xbox One really would be in trouble. Their solution before was to treat everything as digital so retail and digital were almost on even footing. Retail still had some advantages (reselling/ limited editions/etc.).

Retail games would still be more appealing than digital games for some consumers, because they can be resold/lent/borrowed etc. Their previous solution alienated retailers a lot more than what the current one + family share would. Retailers would still have their used games market independently of Microsoft, there would still be lots of people buying retail.

Originally Posted by ThatGuy707

They didn't just get rid of it to be an ass like some people believe just to make MS look bad for removing DRM...

The only people claiming this are the ones who defended Microsoft's position in the first place and are trying to make the consumers who rejected MS look bad.
Unspeakable Evil
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(06-20-2013, 10:17 PM)
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I have no idea what anyone saw in this. Sounds even lamer now. :/
ZedIndyLil
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(06-20-2013, 10:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by crazy buttocks on a train

60sigh--

Just curious, CBOAT, but are you..."heartbroken" today? :P

(I'm also privately gloating because I thought it would end up being some sort of demo mode anyway)
CharmingCharlie
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(06-20-2013, 10:18 PM)
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So in return for gamers surrendering their consumer rights Microsoft were so generously going to allow us to share "demos" that only last 45 mins with only 10 people and only if they have been on our list for 30 days or longer. Yep that sounds about right and if that is the "future" as some are claiming in here, well you can take that future and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
Wishmaster92
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(06-20-2013, 10:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by crazy buttocks on a train

60sigh--

hmmmmmm
kurbaan
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(06-20-2013, 10:18 PM)
So basically family sharing was the 60 min demo from PS+ but even more restricted because someone in your family has to buy the game anyways.

I'm glad its gone then.
Hellraizer
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(06-20-2013, 10:18 PM)
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One more shitty feature the pro drm crew can write off now. It sounded too good to be true anyway.

Fuck the press for whining about this.
lastflowers
(06-20-2013, 10:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by crazy buttocks on a train

60sigh--

interesting, I'd heard differently but cboat is a man with a plan and train that never stops chuggin'
Ashes
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(06-20-2013, 10:19 PM)
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We're not ok with the used games industry, but we're okay losing $540 a go. Yep. Totally made sense.
Nevasleep
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(06-20-2013, 10:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dave Meltzer

Well apparently they're ok with lending physical copies of games to up to 10 people, so whats the difference?

That lending would happen far more often if you didn't have to coordinate meeting up with the person.
Miles Quaritch
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(06-20-2013, 10:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by crazy buttocks on a train

60sigh--

So it was nothing more than a glorified demo policy? Glad it's dead. Can't believe I ever thought it would be worth a damn.

All eyes now on Valve to see how they handle game borrowing.
Joeki11a
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(06-20-2013, 10:19 PM)
You want it back?

Welcome DRM

That sharing stuff was the carrot they were using to make you love DRM

It was the big "benefit", heard tons of interview
And MS guys kept using this feature as gods idea.
SRTtoZ
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(06-20-2013, 10:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Satchel

If it really was just a demo program, then there's absolutely zero reason they couldn't still do it, which is why I doubt it was a demo program.



But now you CAN do that with your disc. So I really doubt it was a demo program. Makes no sense. By removing the DRM, you can give your disc to 100 people. Under urge sharing program, 10 people max. If it was a demo program, they could have left it in even with the DRM gone.

Yea but people DONT do that. They dont give out their game to 100 people. With a family plan like the one people THOUGHT there would be, it would be VERY easy to take advantage of that just by using a forum and meeting fake online friends. In real life, you share your game with your real videogame friends. I'm sorry but I dont have 100 real life videogame friends that I share with. I share my games with 1 friend.
spookyfish
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(06-20-2013, 10:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hellraizer

One more shitty feature the pro drm crew can write off now. It sounded too good to be true anyway.

Fuck the press for whining about this.

Some members of the press are really good at opining on things they know nothing about.

Don't take that away from them.
Satchel
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(06-20-2013, 10:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by lastflowers

interesting, I'd heard differently but cboat is a man with a plan and train that never stops chuggin'

What had you heard? I mean its gone now anyway, so can't you reveal any info?
DigitalOp
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(06-20-2013, 10:20 PM)

Originally Posted by Satchel

If it really was just a demo program, then there's absolutely zero reason they couldn't still do it, which is why I doubt it was a demo program.

But now you CAN do that with your disc. So I really doubt it was a demo program. Makes no sense. By removing the DRM, you can give your disc to 100 people. Under urge sharing program, 10 people max. If it was a demo program, they could have left it in even with the DRM gone.

To be frank, The DRM policy switch statement from MS reads salty and spiteful. Alot of things could still be put in place but they took it out because nobody wanted to play their way.

I really don't care but maybe they might readminister some features in due time... Or not..
blackflag
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(06-20-2013, 10:20 PM)
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mods having a laugh right now or someone confirm. Amazing if all it was is a demo. There was no way it was really sharing like they made it out to be.
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(06-20-2013, 10:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by crazy buttocks on a train

60sigh--

Oh, shit!

It obvious to people thinking logically that their would be heavy restrictions on this.
nib95
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(06-20-2013, 10:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by jett

This sounds like a person who has clearly not seen Titanfall.

Haha. Major Nelson forgot it's also coming to PC! And that it's a 2014 title...

Originally Posted by crazy buttocks on a train

60sigh--

Damn, 60 minutes. He hath spoken!
TimeEffect
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(06-20-2013, 10:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jomjom

That definitely would have been a tough one.

"Today we are rolling out a program essentially like what PS3 had with Full Game Trials, except you have to know someone who owns the full game, and even then you can only share the trial with 9 people. Oh and to top it off we give you 15 less minutes for the trial because we here at Microsoft value your time.


...Oh yeah by the way have you seen Titanfall?"

60 min of Titanfall > 0 Min of Titanfall

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