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Nathan Barley
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(06-19-2007, 12:54 PM)
MCV just revealed that BBFC (responsible for age classfication) have refused Manhunt 2 for PS2 and Wii. So it's unlikely to get a release.

Boo!

As requested: here's the source
homez99
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(06-19-2007, 12:56 PM)
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Damn it why do ratings boards always ruin my fun? Link here if you want to read about it (OP update please?).
Gowans
(06-19-2007, 12:56 PM)
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Thats weak, I have no intention on buying this but the last thing I want is censorship on choice of adult purchases.

Apathy however is not an excuse so an email will be sent to my MP & the BBFC
wormstrangler
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(06-19-2007, 12:57 PM)
I think the OFLC (Australian board) will refuse classification. Which effectively bans the game from sale.

It happened to the Manhunt 1...

29 September 2004
NEWS RELEASE

Manhunt refused classification upon review

A four-member panel of the Classification Review Board has determined, in a majority 3 to 1 decision, that the computer game entitled Manhunt be refused lassification.

Refused Classification means the game cannot be legally sold, hired, advertised or exhibited in Australia. Any existing stocks of this game held by retailers must be removed from shelves immediately.

In the Classification Review Board’s opinion, the game warrants a refusal of classification because it contains elements beyond those set out in the classification guidelines and legislation for a computer game at the MA15+ classification.

Specifically, it contains some depictions of high impact, as well as scenes of blood and gore that go beyond strong. It also contains a high impact theme.

The Classification Review Board convened to review the MA15+ classification of the computer game in response to an application from the Attorney-General, on the request of the Western Australian Minister with censorship responsibilities, Michelle Roberts, Minister for Justice.

In reviewing the classification, the Classification Review Board worked within the framework of the National Classification Scheme, applying the provisions of the Classification (Publications, Films and Computer Games) Act 1995, the National Classification Code and the Guidelines for the Classification of Films and Computer Games.

The Classification Review Board is an independent merits review body. It meets in camera to make a fresh classification decision when applications to review classification matters previously determined by the Classification Board are made.

The Classification Review Board’s reasons for this decision will appear on the OFLC website when finalised.

Sule
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(06-19-2007, 12:58 PM)
UK the new Germany confirmed, bailout.gif.
Infernal Monkey
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(06-19-2007, 12:58 PM)
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Welp, there go my plans of importing it from the UK when the upcoming 'banned in Australia for being a video game' announcement hits.
kottila
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(06-19-2007, 12:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nathan Barley

MCV just revealed that BBFC (responsible for age classfication) have refused Manhunt 2 for PS2 and Wii. So it's unlikely to get a release.

Boo!

Boo-urns. Why not set a strict 18years or older classification? More violent films and books have no problems getting certified.
iapetus
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(06-19-2007, 01:01 PM)
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Damn it. Now instead of not buying this game locally I'm going to have to not import it. :(
alistairw
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(06-19-2007, 01:01 PM)

Originally Posted by wormstrangler

I think the OFLC (Australian board) will refuse classification. Which effectively bans the game from sale.

It happened to the Manhunt 1...

Yeah, but that won't really be much of a shock. The OFLC is borked. No rating above MA15+? Still? Jesus.

Oh, plus the best thing about the board: you can't be a member of the board if you hold a degree in media or a related subject, because that would put you out of touch with the general public. What a ****ing joke.
BGBW
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(06-19-2007, 01:01 PM)
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Can't PEGI still do the rating?
Stop It
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(06-19-2007, 01:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nathan Barley

MCV just revealed that BBFC (responsible for age classfication) have refused Manhunt 2 for PS2 and Wii. So it's unlikely to get a release.

Boo!

whatdog.gif

I mean seriously, what the hell? I want my Manhunt action, damn you BBFC.

Originally Posted by BGBW

Can't PEGI still do the rating?

No, PEGI hands the ratings duty over to the BBFC when the game in question conaints questionable content, so the BBFC has final say, if they refuse to rate it, the thing wont get sold by any retailer, at all, damn.

Originally Posted by JonathanEx

Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. There can be no good reason for this, except political pressure. I hardly believe it's worse than the LEGALLY ENFORCABLE 18 RATING. Don't they also have R18, the restricted one?
Edit: Actually, R18 is for restricted porn. That can't be worse than Manhunt 2 though.

It's politics, it's got to be.

Nope, not party politics anyway, the BBFC are an NGO, so have no influence from government, their say isn't final as the government can overturn them, but that hasn't happened in years.
JonathanEx
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(06-19-2007, 01:01 PM)
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Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. There can be no good reason for this, except political pressure. I hardly believe it's worse than the LEGALLY ENFORCABLE 18 RATING. Don't they also have R18, the restricted one?
Edit: Actually, R18 is for restricted porn. That can't be worse than Manhunt 2 though.

It's politics, it's got to be.
DefectiveReject
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(06-19-2007, 01:04 PM)
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Wiikey + VGP.ca is your friend!!
mandiller
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(06-19-2007, 01:05 PM)
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Not surprising. I never expected it to come to Australia either.

Enjoy your violent bloodbath US of A.
JonathanEx
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(06-19-2007, 01:05 PM)
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The Board will attempt to deal with films, videos or DVDs which are unacceptable at any category through intervention such as making cuts or requiring the addition of warning captions. If this is not possible or not acceptable to the distributor, works may be refused classification altogether. ‘Taboo’ themes are acceptable, but not if their treatment is likely to encourage harm to viewers or, through their behaviour, to society. The following are of particular concern:

* graphic rape or torture
* sadistic violence or terrorisation
* illegal and glamorised drug use
* material likely to incite racial hatred or violence
* portrayals of children in a sexualised or abusive context
* sex accompanied by non-consensual pain, injury or humiliation
* material likely to be found obscene by the courts.

Hmm.
Defuser
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(06-19-2007, 01:06 PM)
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So does that means the PSP version is unaffected?
nofi
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(06-19-2007, 01:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by JonathanEx

* graphic rape or torture
* sadistic violence or terrorisation
* illegal and glamorised drug use
* material likely to incite racial hatred or violence
* portrayals of children in a sexualised or abusive context
* sex accompanied by non-consensual pain, injury or humiliation
* material likely to be found obscene by the courts.

Pretty much sums up Manhunt 2. No loss.
Mmmkay
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(06-19-2007, 01:09 PM)
Urgh,

“Although the difference should not be exaggerated the fact of the game’s unrelenting focus on stalking and brutal slaying and the sheer lack of alternative pleasures on offer to the gamer, together with the different overall narrative context, contribute towards differentiating this submission from the original Manhunt game.

“That work was classified ‘18’ in 2003, before the BBFC’s recent games research had been undertaken, but was already at the very top end of what the Board judged to be acceptable at that category.

“Against this background, the Board’s carefully considered view is that to issue a certificate to Manhunt 2, on either platform, would involve a range of unjustifiable harm risks, to both adults and minors, within the terms of the Video Recordings Act, and accordingly that its availability, even if statutorily confined to adults, would be unacceptable to the public.”


"And that's why you never research videogames"
Setanta
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(06-19-2007, 01:10 PM)
What would happen if North America will follow BBFC?? ESRB Will no doubt look at this news.

Thing is the BBFC stands for British Board of Film Classification, notice 'Film', yet they have a say what is and not released. The PEGI classification has no input, which it should.

In Ireland (U.K's Neighbour) hopefully the game can be released! Here is a quote from Wikipedia: Video games

Unlike the BBFC in the UK, which rates video games that meet certain criteria (such as very graphic violence), the Irish Film Censor's Office does not usually rate video games, leaving ratings to PEGI, unless the game's content is deemed prohibitable under section 3 (1) of the Act. Two games rated by the Irish Film Censor's Office are Grand Theft Auto III and Manhunt, which were given an 18 rating. A video game will only be examined for rating if its PEGI rating is 18+.
Windu
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(06-19-2007, 01:10 PM)
yay for free speach!:lol
Maztorre
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(06-19-2007, 01:10 PM)
Seems more than likely they're just trying to avoid any potential blowback of selling the game on two systems that are primarily aiming sales at families right now.
Mar
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(06-19-2007, 01:11 PM)
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Retards. Of course, only kids play video games.
Larsen B
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(06-19-2007, 01:11 PM)
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BAN THIS SICK FILTH!
Deacan
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(06-19-2007, 01:14 PM)
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What the hell, this censorship is stupid I should be allowed to buy it.
This is god damn fecking stupid, no body is being forced to play the damn thing.

Argh I tell ya, I can't wait till people that know what a damn video game is run the goverment.
alistairw
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(06-19-2007, 01:14 PM)

Originally Posted by Mar_

Retards. Of course, only kids play video games.

Kids and retards, dude. Retards who can't tell the difference between fiction and reality. They're protecting us.

Why can't you people see that?
Imperial Hot
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(06-19-2007, 01:15 PM)
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I thought Manhunt 2 was not as disturbing as Manhunt 1 and didn't that get released in the UK.
Deacan
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(06-19-2007, 01:18 PM)
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It did get release, problem was the uneducated masses of the british press made a huge deal about a incident in which the game Manhunt was blamed on.
Or something like that, it was a while ago.
JonathanEx
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(06-19-2007, 01:18 PM)
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It's not so bad, Rockstar can kick up a fuss: Under the terms of the Video Recordings Act distributors have the right to appeal the Board’s decision.
deftangel
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(06-19-2007, 01:21 PM)

Originally Posted by Setanta

What would happen if North America will follow BBFC?? ESRB Will no doubt look at this news.

Thing is the BBFC stands for British Board of Film Classification, notice 'Film', yet they have a say what is and not released. The PEGI classification has no input, which it should.

In Ireland (U.K's Neighbour) hopefully the game can be released! Here is a quote from Wikipedia: Video games

Unlike the BBFC in the UK, which rates video games that meet certain criteria (such as very graphic violence), the Irish Film Censor's Office does not usually rate video games, leaving ratings to PEGI, unless the game's content is deemed prohibitable under section 3 (1) of the Act. Two games rated by the Irish Film Censor's Office are Grand Theft Auto III and Manhunt, which were given an 18 rating. A video game will only be examined for rating if its PEGI rating is 18+.

Which is the same as the UK and the BBFC. Videogames are generally exempt from formal classification under the Video Recordings Act (1984) and are usually released in the UK with a PEGI rating. However, if the distributor deems that the game contains any content similar to which JohnathanEx posted, then the game will have lost exemption and must be submitted for formal classification under UK law.

The BBFC classifies around 300 "video games" a year. The PEGI rating / Irish rating isn't known yet. Rating systems in different countries are very different, it's highly unlikely the decision of one has any bearing on another's.
Parl
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(06-19-2007, 01:21 PM)
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BBFC thought is was too mature for the Wii audience, it seems.
Sule
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(06-19-2007, 01:21 PM)

Originally Posted by snack

I thought Manhunt 2 was not as disturbing as Manhunt 1 and didn't that get released in the UK.

Wouldn't surprise me if motion controls had anything to do with it. Plus from what I know they only play the game on one platform(?). So ban stick for one platform COULD automatically mean banned for the other platform too.
Ramenman
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(06-19-2007, 01:22 PM)

Manhunt 2 won't be released in <insert country>

IT SARTS TODAY (UK time)
mrklaw
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(06-19-2007, 01:22 PM)
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whats unusual is that the BBFC have been much more relaxed on the 18 certificate since their consultation a couple of years back. They clearly got the message that consumers wanted more information on lower age certificates, but didn't want any 'nannying' of 18 certificate material.

You can get much more violent content passed uncut these days, plus explicit sex (in an 'artistic' context)

so Manhunt 2 must be *really* bad to warrant refusal of a certificate
test_account
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(06-19-2007, 01:23 PM)
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I never understood the appeal of Manhunt, killing people in the most horrible way?


Originally Posted by Windu

yay for free speach!:lol

You mean its a violation of free speech because their not allowed to release a very violent game? :P
Ramenman
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(06-19-2007, 01:24 PM)

Originally Posted by snack

I thought Manhunt 2 was not as disturbing as Manhunt 1 and didn't that get released in the UK.

Maybe Wii Controls... They might have found that tearing apart a man's testicles by actually mimicking the move is more violent than pressing a button.

Well, they wouldn't be that wrong on this one.
Kinan
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(06-19-2007, 01:24 PM)
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Thats the only game I'm glad that its banned in Germany, so UK board decision pleases me immensely. **** the freedom of choice, if society is not conscious enough to protect itself from clearly asocial messages of this game (by choosing not to buy such a game at all), at least an attempt of protection should be made by governments.
Taker666
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(06-19-2007, 01:25 PM)
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Rockstar...make it region free (if you're allowed to)

or include and English language option in the PAL regions where it isn't banned.

I though we had gone beyond this type of censorship in the UK.
Razoric
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(06-19-2007, 01:25 PM)

Originally Posted by Kinan

Thats the only game I'm glad that its banned in Germany, so UK board decision pleases me immensely. **** the freedom of choice, if society is not conscious enough to protect itself from clearly asocial messages of this game (by choosing not to buy such a game at all), at least an attempt of protection should be made by governments.

haha wow.

"papa government, please save me!"
Cosmonaut X
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(06-19-2007, 01:27 PM)
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Blimey - this is actually quite a surprise. The BBFC were notoriously strict, but over the past 5-10 years they have relaxed quite considerably - a great many previously banned films have been released, cuts demanded are far less swingeing, the R18 rating was introduced to permit legal sale of hardcore pornography etc. - so for them to outright refuse classification on Manhunt 2 when its predecessor went through is interesting.
Gowans
(06-19-2007, 01:27 PM)
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I have no intention of buying this game but I have a problem with this censorship.

If you live here in the UK send a email to contact_the_bbfc@bbfc.co.uk along with your local MP & councilor (can be found by a quick google search) to show that there is a voice at the other side of the argument.

There is no excuse for apathy and for us to take the word of government, they do work for us remember.
chase
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(06-19-2007, 01:27 PM)
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Yay for my US Wii!

Originally Posted by Kinan

Thats the only game I'm glad that its banned in Germany, so UK board decision pleases me immensely. **** the freedom of choice, if society is not conscious enough to protect itself from clearly asocial messages of this game (by choosing not to buy such a game at all), at least an attempt of protection should be made by governments.

What government agency is going to protect me and my children from the influence of people like this?
pilonv1
(06-19-2007, 01:28 PM)
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This has no chance in Australia, and the original Manhunt didn't get a release in New Zealand so this sucks.
deftangel
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(06-19-2007, 01:30 PM)

Originally Posted by Sule

Wouldn't surprise me if motion controls had anything to do with it. Plus from what I know they only play the game on one platform(?). So ban stick for one platform COULD automatically mean banned for the other platform too.

The Press release was quite explicit. Both the Wii & PS2 versions were submitted separately.
hirokazu
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(06-19-2007, 01:31 PM)
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Oh shit, I was going to import the UK version since it's most likely going to be banned in Australia (or they won't even bother submitting it to them). Which other European version will have English?
Jokeropia
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(06-19-2007, 01:32 PM)
Scandinavian versions tend to be English as well.

Anyway...

Originally Posted by MCV

The only other game to ever be rejected by the body was Carmageddon in 1997, though that decision was overturned by the Video Appeals Committee.

Maybe the same can happen again.
Deacan
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(06-19-2007, 01:33 PM)
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Damn you Nintendo and your family friendly image of all the family playing the Wii on the couch.

I don't even plan to buy it, it just pisses me off that am not giving the choice, no one is being forced to buy it so I don't see the harm in selling it, it would have a 18 rating so kids should not be playing it anyway.
JonathanEx
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(06-19-2007, 01:34 PM)
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Hope so.

How long before the ESRB say they refuse to rate it, or give it the highest possible rating which isn't carried in most stores? The US is generally worse with ratings than the UK.
nli10
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(06-19-2007, 01:35 PM)
Manhunt 2 wins it's appeal process and despite luke-warm reviews enters the UK chart at number 1.

Yawn.

Right now they could scrap the original game and put in 'Manhunt' disks with a sticker on the disk that says 2 and it'd still sell. Heck, it'd be funny if it was repackaged as Manhunt (in tiny letters 'table tennis').
Setanta
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(06-19-2007, 01:37 PM)

Originally Posted by hirokazu

Oh shit, I was going to import the UK version since it's most likely going to be banned in Australia (or they won't even bother submitting it to them). Which other European version will have English?

Other European version would be Ireland. Identical releases to the UK ones, same distributors etc. i.e 'Nintendo UK and Ireland' andd so forth.

Irish Ebay users will make a bit of money.
NekoFever
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(06-19-2007, 01:38 PM)
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Games don't even have to have a BBFC rating though, do they? A lot of them do because it's illegal to sell, for example, an 18-rated game to an under-18 and so it covers them for that eventuality (they took steps to prevent the sale to minors so it was the store that broke the law), but there's legally nothing to stop them just slapping the mandatory but legally unenforced PEGI rating on there. It just leaves them vulnerable to the tabloid shitstorm.

*enjoys imported Wii and modded PS2*

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