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TheExodu5
(10-10-2012, 10:34 PM)
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I'm just wondering...why have we not seen or heard of any variable rate displays in the PC/tech space? I'm talking about a display that, instead of working at a constant rate (60Hz, 120Hz, etc...), would be able to work at any rate given a certain range (24Hz - 120Hz).

So, what are the befits of such a display?

- Being able to run a game at any framerate without tearing or stuttering.
- Games could run at a variable framerate. No need to lock a game at 60Hz or 30Hz...though you still could from within the engine if you want to keep a consistent framerate.
- No input lag. Frames are displayed as soon as they're drawn, which means no buffering (which causes input lag).

What are the downsides/hurdles?

- Possible incompatibility with current sources. Displays currently work by polling the display adapter (video card, console, etc...) at a set rate (60Hz).
- You need a display that can maintain a single frame for a variable (non discrete) length of time. I believe OLED can accomplish this. I'm not sure if any current HDTV display technology can, however.

A new system would have to be designed. Instead of having the display poll for new frames, the display adapter would have to send them to the display as they come in. The best way to go about this would probably to create a new interface, and maintain legacy interfaces for compatibility's sake.

Has anyone ever looked into this? It seems like an obvious step forward at this point.
Stumpokapow
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(10-18-2013, 10:50 PM)
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mod abuse nostradamus bump
ashecitism
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(10-18-2013, 10:52 PM)
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Nice thread, too bad no one paid attention :/
charlequin
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(10-18-2013, 10:53 PM)
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I assume that TheExodu5 didn't bump this himself because he's off collecting that sweet Nvidia IP scrilla.
BeekleMatter
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(10-18-2013, 10:53 PM)
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I read this wondering what cave you've been living in, looked at the date... Lol nice call.
Mugatu
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(10-18-2013, 10:53 PM)
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Interesting idea. On the whole I would bet it's a lot easier to fix the frame rate of software versus creating a hardware scheme to vary the refresh rate there but I'm just guessing.

EDIT: I am very slow today. doh!
Last edited by Mugatu; 10-18-2013 at 10:56 PM.
FloatingDivider
(10-18-2013, 10:54 PM)
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Correct me if I'm wrong but 120hz and above displays have no issues displaying content with a lower framerate?
EDIT: It would appear that I am wrong, and this was bumped as a result of the nvidia announcement. It still seems to me like a variable framerate display would be akin to the soap opera effect you get in other variable frametime scenarios.
Last edited by FloatingDivider; 10-18-2013 at 10:56 PM.
Takamura-San
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(10-18-2013, 10:54 PM)
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I would say that this deserves a tag change.
TheExodu5
(10-18-2013, 10:54 PM)
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Looks like I no longer need to use d3doverrider to force triple buffering instead of complaining about mouse lag in every PC game thread ever.
RealMeat
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(10-18-2013, 10:54 PM)
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Guess we won't need d3doverrider anymore.
jaypah
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(10-18-2013, 10:54 PM)
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Hey future man, are we going to get a Ghost n Goblins remake?
Daedardus
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(10-18-2013, 10:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by ashecitism

Nice thread, too bad no one paid attention :/

nVidia lurks this forum and stealthitly let the thread die off so they could work on their solution.
Gaz_RB
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(10-18-2013, 10:56 PM)
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What's Rockstar's next game?

When will GTAV come out on next gen consoles?

How does the PS4 smell?

Lend us your far seeing talents!
Dynamic3
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(10-18-2013, 10:59 PM)
TheExodamu5
docbon
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(10-18-2013, 11:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Stumpokapow

mod abuse nostradamus bump

Exodu5 has visions of the future, and Stump dabbles in necromancy most foul. Today is a magical day.
Madridy
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(10-18-2013, 11:02 PM)
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Great call Exodus, deserves a tag change.

Also I just bought a VG248QE a couple weeks ago...
AstroZombie
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(10-18-2013, 11:03 PM)
Vindication!
Dictator93
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(10-18-2013, 11:09 PM)
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I saw the bump and was like, "Wtf?"

Vindictated indeed. But what of your tag?!
Adry9
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(10-18-2013, 11:10 PM)
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You should sue nvidea for stealing your idea.
ZedIndyLil
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(10-18-2013, 11:12 PM)
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Was this really a thread with no replies, or was it an old comment within a thread?
SolarPowered
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(10-18-2013, 11:13 PM)
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TheExodu5 is like those crazy science fiction writers that write about silly shit like man visiting other worlds. Turns out he was on to something.

Tell us all your secrets.
TheExodu5
(10-18-2013, 11:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by ZedIndyLil

Was this really a thread with no replies, or was it an old comment within a thread?

It was a thread. I was so sad when no one replied. :(
ZedIndyLil
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(10-18-2013, 11:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheExodu5

It was a thread. I was so sad when no one replied. :(

You are having the last laugh, bud.
hesido
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(10-18-2013, 11:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheExodu5

It was a thread. I was so sad when no one replied. :(

I wasn't a member back then. I'm free of any guilt.

Like people say here, you're having the last laugh, but something to potentially make you sadder:
Was your idea patentable at the time? (Well they might have filed for patents to this tech years before but still!)
Gentleman Jack
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(10-18-2013, 11:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lord-Audie

I would say that this deserves a tag change.

TheExodu5
Will buy a variable rate display instead of complaining about mouse lag in every PC game thread ever
Dr. Kaos
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(10-18-2013, 11:30 PM)

Originally Posted by TheExodu5

It was a thread. I was so sad when no one replied. :(

I'm sorry bro. I would totally have answered if I had seen it (and been horribly wrong).

I wonder if this saves any noticeable amount of energy. I would guess not or nvidia would have mentioned it.

How long has nvidia been developping this? Did they say? How hard will it be to replicate by AMD, I wonder. What kind of lead does nVidia have now?

This is obviously way better than mantle. In another league, really.
Rur0ni
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(10-18-2013, 11:30 PM)
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Well done.
Corto
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(10-18-2013, 11:34 PM)
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TELL US MORE OH VISIONARY PROPHET! WHAT ELSE BOTHERS YOU?
Valtýr
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(10-18-2013, 11:36 PM)
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This is one of those situations where I knew this was a bump because of the NVIDIA thing and spent a while slowly scrolling from the bottom up trying to find the actual bump.

My face when it ended up being the first reply.
Baleoce
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(10-18-2013, 11:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Corto

TELL US MORE OH VISIONARY PROPHET! WHAT ELSE BOTHERS YOU?

I got a chuckle out of this xD Good shit though, glad nvidia finally pushed this. Hopefully other manufacturers follow now, and it becomes standard over the next 5 years.
AndyBNV
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(10-18-2013, 11:37 PM)
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Your cheque is in the post.
hoserx
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(10-18-2013, 11:40 PM)
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All hail lord Exodu5!!!
EmmanuelMunoz
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(10-18-2013, 11:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by AndyBNV

Your cheque is in the post.

The truth comes out.
I Stalk Alone
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(10-18-2013, 11:44 PM)
mate i would have replied to this but i was snorkeling at coral bay at the time.
Future PhaZe
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(10-18-2013, 11:44 PM)
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well done
I Stalk Alone
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(10-18-2013, 11:47 PM)

Originally Posted by AndyBNV

Your cheque is in the post.


this is now a legally binding agreement.
ZedIndyLil
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(10-18-2013, 11:52 PM)
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I do have to say, though, that your other thread with zero responses, "Why Don't Our Pets Just Kill Us in Our Sleep?" now bothers me a little.
TheExodu5
(10-18-2013, 11:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by AndyBNV

Your cheque is in the post.

I accept payments in the form of GTX Titans. :p
solarus
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(10-18-2013, 11:55 PM)
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A prophet to rival CBOAT himself.
Baleoce
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(10-19-2013, 12:01 AM)
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Originally Posted by solarus

A prophet to rival CBOAT himself.

I now christen him G-BOAT
1.21Gigawatts
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(10-19-2013, 12:02 AM)
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How likely is that Nvidia was inspired by this post?
Corto
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(10-19-2013, 12:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by 1.21Gigawatts

How likely is that Nvidia was inspired by this post?

TheExodu5 is Nvidia. Nvidia is TheExodu5.
jaypah
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(10-19-2013, 12:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by Stumpokapow

mod abuse nostradamus bump

So, wait...you knew enough about this thread to bump it for prophecy but you didn't post in it either. I don't know if Exodus should be thrilled or bummed.
ymmv
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(10-19-2013, 12:05 AM)
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Such an insightful post - and not a single reply. The life of a prophet is harsh. His voice cries out in the wilderness but is not heard.
Deadstar
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(10-19-2013, 12:06 AM)
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You looked into your magic 8 ball and it said "G-SYNC"

Please pm me some lottery numbers.
chaosblade
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(10-19-2013, 12:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by jaypah

So, wait...you knew enough about this thread to bump it for prophecy but you didn't post in it either. I don't know if Exodus should be thrilled or bummed.

He posted the reply-less thread in the G-sync thread. Was probably seen there.
Corto
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(10-19-2013, 12:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by jaypah

So, wait...you knew enough about this thread to bump it for prophecy but you didn't post in it either. I don't know if Exodus should be thrilled or bummed.

TheExodu5 posted it on the G-Sync announcement thread. ;)
ashecitism
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(10-19-2013, 12:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by jaypah

So, wait...you knew enough about this thread to bump it for prophecy but you didn't post in it either. I don't know if Exodus should be thrilled or bummed.

Exodus posted the link to the thread elsewhere, making others aware of its existence.

edit: double b10
jaypah
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(10-19-2013, 12:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by chaosblade

He posted the reply-less thread in the G-sync thread. Was probably seen there.

Originally Posted by Corto

TheExodu5 posted it on the G-Sync announcement thread. ;)

Originally Posted by ashecitism

Exodus posted the link to the thread elsewhere, making others aware of its existence.

edit: double b10

Ah, that makes more sense. I was like "damn, Stump is a cold motherfucker.." lol
Miguel81
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(10-19-2013, 12:12 AM)
Is d3doveridder supposed to work better than radeonpro?

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