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PS4 Brazil Importation costs revealed. Taxes say Olá!! ($1161.53 USD in taxes!)

http://arena.ig.com.br/2013-10-21/p...rgos-que-recaem-sobre-o-preco-do-console.html

Thanks to Platy for posting this.

PS4's BRL price is R$ 858.00.
That's $394.85 in USD. (cheaper than NA)


Sony Brazil's profit margin on that is R$ 257.00 (118.27 USD)
They remove that profit margin as a "discount" to keep costs down.

But the tax adds on R$ 2,524.00 ($1161.53 USD) On top of the base price and retailer markup.

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Holy fucking shit. This is nuts.
 

ethomaz

Banned
I want to see now the Xbone taxes... Sony is lying about that... bullshit.

The taxes are the same for both.

Xbone: 2200
PS4: 4000

MS is paying R$2000 to me buy their console?
 
I wonder how much Microsoft is losing per console to sell the X1 LESS than the PS4 there.

Either that or the retailer markup isn't nearly as high. Probably a combination of both.
 

Tsundere

Banned
I want to see now the Xbone taxes... Sony is lying about that... bullshit.

The taxes are the same for both.

Xbone: 2200
PS4: 4000

MS is paying R$2000 to me buy their console?
Would seem like it. Either that or they're avoiding taxes by manufacturing whole or parts of their console in Brazil. How can you say they lied about taxes when you have the tax breakdown right before you.
 
And i get super pissed at the 8% sales tax over here...

I know what you mean. Chicago's city taxes put it around 10% for all sales, but that seems so inconsequential as to be meaningless when you compare it to something like this. That's so unbelievably unfair for people in Brazil.

Edit: Before anyone says anything, I get that this is a luxury item, and I don't know what these kinds of taxes get spent on. Nevertheless, a luxury tax of that size is insane.
 

Piggus

Member
Mmmmm *hugs my state's 0% sales tax*

Unfortunately it's not just Brazil. A lot of South American countries apparently love to fuck over their own people with insane import taxes. You guys need to stop putting up with that shite.
 
Can anybody explain why these taxes are in place?

Two reasons.

1 is to foster purchase of internally made goods to help their economy.

As the years went on, both the PS3 and 360 are made internally now in Brazil
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-to-manufacture-playstation-3-systems-in-brazil-253306.phtml
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/40-brazilian-price-cut-for-360-as-new-factory-opens/085562

2 is that Brazil has a love/hate relationship with gambling

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16634941

And because they're dumb, video games are classified as gambling machines, so they're heavily taxed beyond logic.
 

ethomaz

Banned
Would seem like it. Either that or they're avoiding taxes by manufacturing whole or parts of their console in Brazil. How can you say they lied about taxes when you have the tax breakdown right before you.
Because two options... you choose what you believe.

1) MS is evading taxes * it is a crime... illegal *

2) Sony is lying putting more taxes than need in that chart like IPI two times.
 

neto

Member
Holy crap thats a lot in taxes, its insane

I want to see now the Xbone taxes... Sony is lying about that... bullshit.

The taxes are the same for both.

Xbone: 2200
PS4: 4000

MS is paying R$2000 to me buy their console?
Is brazil that big of a market to MS to subsidize that much?
 
Mmmmm *hugs my state's 0% sales tax*

Unfortunately it's not just Brazil. A lot of South American countries apparently love to fuck over their own people with insane import taxes. You guys need to stop putting up with that shite.

Back home, Costa Rica, as a rule of thumb you could double the price of the console on the US and get the cost in the stores. If you import it through a courier service you could get it for roughly 25-30% more.

If i wanted a PS4 back home, I would budget roughly 550 for the console and 70 for every game, which is not too bad.
 
Because two options... you choose what you believe.

1) MS is evading taxes * it is a crime... illegal *

2) Sony is lying putting more taxes than need in that chart like IPI two times.

Are you suggesting these are really the only two options for the discrepancy?
 

Wereroku

Member
Because two options... you choose what you believe.

1) MS is evading taxes * it is a crime... illegal *

2) Sony is lying putting more taxes than need in that chart like IPI two times.

Couldn't the XBO have been classified as not a console since that would give it a lower tax rate. Alternatively they have it shipping mostly complete and are assembling it somewhat in Brazil. Not full production but partial assembly that would reduce the tax burden.

Or there is some giant conspiracy theory and they are getting extra taxes because they pissed off the wrong Brazilian official.
 
Wait a minute. Can't we possibly extrapolate the BOM from this? Especially with the profit margin of $118.27?

I think that might be their normal mark up, idk, because they already said they are losing about 60 dollars per unit in NA and hope PS+ and a game will put them over that break even point.
 
At least their women are very attractive.

Troof. The Brazilian girls on MFC... OMG, just OMG. That and the Romanian women as well. All I have to say is god bless women in the internets.


Back on topic. HOLY SHIT! It seems if youre not a drug lord or in the black market, you aint getting shit in Brazil.
 

Tiops

Member
This is bullshit. Even if we consider that Microsoft is magic and did something to avoid these taxes, why Vita is not affected by these taxes?

Stop with the bullshit, Sony.
 
Two reasons.

1 is to foster purchase of internally made goods to help their economy.

As the years went on, both the PS3 and 360 are made internally now in Brazil
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-to-manufacture-playstation-3-systems-in-brazil-253306.phtml
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/40-brazilian-price-cut-for-360-as-new-factory-opens/085562

2 is that Brazil has a love/hate relationship with gambling

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16634941

And because they're dumb, video games are classified as gambling machines, so they're heavily taxed beyond logic.

not really. the reason is that the brazilian government is corrupt and it'd take a mass riot to change the current political system (which would then allow for tax reforms, for one), but that is never going to happen. and even if things did change, there's no guarantee whatever replaces the current system would be any better
 
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