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biRdy
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(11-11-2013, 06:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by GribbleGrunger

Find it and I'll post it. LOL

#549
Eusis
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(11-11-2013, 06:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by TyrantII

Adam Boyes said they're looking into it, and there's some inconsistencies on the use of these for launch titles (such as remote play missing)

Yeah, I imagine it's mainly just inconsistencies, though it raises questions on why the offline play logo exists. Maybe Sony really was thinking to have DRM but it'd optionally be opt out, and this would be advertised on the back?
Moneyhats2k5
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(11-11-2013, 06:57 AM)
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This is why no one trusts Microsoft. PS4 DRM free day 1.
Neuromancer
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(11-11-2013, 06:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by Zefah

Why aren't people raising more of a shit over the fact that Microsoft remotely bricked this guy's console until they feel he should be allowed to use it? Did he acquire the product illegally? Sure, it's before street date, but he still paid for the damn thing, didn't he? Whose to say Microsoft won't use this new power of theirs in other scenarios where they find people doing things they don't approve of?

Plenty of shit was raised about that in the previous thread (the one focusing on the console ban).
Steel
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(11-11-2013, 06:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by Zyae

yes but people ignore it to speculation on ridiculous things

No, he said the same thing in this thread with the caveat that he's looking into it so he can post an explanation.
SRTtoZ
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(11-11-2013, 06:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by Zefah

Oh, so he got it from Microsoft, and didn't spend his own money? Did he break some kind of agreement with them or something? Why would they have to ban a console that they gave to him?

Either way, the fact that they have this power and have already shown that they're willing to use it is not comforting.

No he didnt get it from MS. He got it from Target (they shipped it to him early), MS banned him from using XBL, so they offered him some goodies like attending the launch event or something, and they said they will unban him on the 22nd. This thread is separate because all of a sudden the guy cant even play his offline games when originally he could.
Biker19
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(11-11-2013, 06:59 AM)

Originally Posted by crazy buttocks on a train

imagn.

Uh-Oh.

Originally Posted by F0rneus

So THAT's why the PS4 box said Offline Enabled (taken from here)

Oh, snap.
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GribbleGrunger
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(11-11-2013, 06:59 AM)

Originally Posted by biRdy

#549

Ok, I already had that.
Zefah
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(11-11-2013, 07:00 AM)

Originally Posted by SRTtoZ

No he didnt get it from MS. He got it from Target (they shipped it to him early), MS banned him from using XBL, so they offered him some goodies like attending the launch event or something, and they said they will unban him on the 22nd. This thread is separate because all of a sudden the guy cant even play his offline games when originally he could.

Got it. Guess I missed the other thread.

Sets a terrible precedent, though. Microsoft should not be allowed to have that kind of control over a product someone legally purchased.
viveks86
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(11-11-2013, 07:00 AM)
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Annnd we have a lift off!

http://www.spawnfirst.com/news/cboat...present-games/
Arrogant Bastard
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(11-11-2013, 07:01 AM)
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Originally Posted by vdo

I think that Microsoft wants every console to have to sign in at least once. What their reasons would be, I don't know - they could be completely innocent intentions.

Honestly?

The reason is pretty damn clear, the consoles (hardware) are 'ready' far before the software is. They will take every last second that they can to make the software better.

They cannot hold up hardware production because of software issues. It is much easier to release the hardware and then require a day one patch. There is nothing nefarious about this. You can buy a 'day one' smart TV and it will have a day one software update. Order a 'day one' graphics card and it will have a day one driver update. This is the way the game is played. Drop the tin foil hat.
Vagabundo
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(11-11-2013, 07:01 AM)
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Ho ho oh. Another day another Xbone thread.

Let's hope post launch is as entertaining.

I'm starting to feel bad for MS PR though.
King Beyond the wall
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(11-11-2013, 07:02 AM)
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Could this be the ass storm that Cboat predicted?
GribbleGrunger
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(11-11-2013, 07:02 AM)

Originally Posted by viveks86

Annnd we have a lift off!

http://www.spawnfirst.com/news/cboat...present-games/

It keeps giving me an error. What is it?

edit: I see it now.
Justin
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(11-11-2013, 07:02 AM)

Originally Posted by Vagabundo

Ho ho oh. Another day another Xbone thread.

Let's hope post launch is as entertaining.

I'm starting to feel bad for MS PR though.

It will be entertaining. Dead Rising and Fortza!!!
TheOGB
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(11-11-2013, 07:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by viveks86

Annnd we have a lift off!

http://www.spawnfirst.com/news/cboat...present-games/

Come on, son

smh
disastermouse
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(11-11-2013, 07:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer

Looks fine on my iPad from 10 feet away.

Retina or non-Retina iPad?
peterb0y
(11-11-2013, 07:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by viveks86

Annnd we have a lift off!

http://www.spawnfirst.com/news/cboat...present-games/

Based on that one word- this is tales from my ass.
Steel
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(11-11-2013, 07:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by GribbleGrunger

It keeps giving me an error. What is it?

Tried a couple more times and it worked for me. Just an article about what Cboat posted with a lot of grammatical errors.
Fun Factor
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(11-11-2013, 07:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by Betty

You think MS might have given him the memo though rather than risk another panic, but oh well, here we go again.

That got a laugh from me.
Sir Fragula
(11-11-2013, 07:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by vdo

I didn't expect that they would keep a DRM option at the game level.

But if this is true, then it makes some earlier suspicions I had more likely to me. Microsoft had decided to remove the DRM months ago and could have already had the DRM patch included in the initial firmware placed on the consoles way back then since there was so much time to go.

The Day One patch is to put the production Operating System in place, not to remove DRM.
Arrogant Bastard
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(11-11-2013, 07:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by ButtSmasher

His issue is that if your console gets banned you cannot go back and download games that you paid for because the ban prevents it. Had you bought a physical copy you could still play your game that you paid for. If you had it loaded on your system you could play it. But all the games you don't have on the hard drive are gone forever. The products you spent money on are taken away from you.

I think this is his point. Along with the fact that they can just lock you out of your own system. As said before what console banning would have been like without the 180 would have been awful. It'd brick your console. You wouldn't have access to any games or features whatsoever

So in a nutshell, you are upset that if you break a ToS and get your account/console banned then you cannot access content that you have paid for?

Sounds like a digital only problem to me, not a Microsoft problem. Easy way around this, stop breaking ToS. I' would presume that Sony has the exact same policy as does every other digital distributor.
VXLbeast
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(11-11-2013, 07:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by King Beyond the wall

Could this be the ass storm that Cboat predicted?

It would be scarier if it wasn't.
peterb0y
(11-11-2013, 07:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by VXLbeast

It would be scarier if it wasn't.

What.
GribbleGrunger
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(11-11-2013, 07:05 AM)

Originally Posted by Steel

Tried a couple more times and it worked for me. Just an article about what Cboat posted with a lot of grammatical errors.

Yeah, I finally got there. This is why MS need to stop this faffing about and give a straight answer immediately.
Neuromancer
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(11-11-2013, 07:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by disastermouse

Retina or non-Retina iPad?

Non lol
Foghorn Leghorn
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(11-11-2013, 07:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by Arrogant Bastard

Honestly?

The reason is pretty damn clear, the consoles (hardware) are 'ready' far before the software is. They will take every last second that they can to make the software better.

They cannot hold up hardware production because of software issues. It is much easier to release the hardware and then require a day one patch. There is nothing nefarious about this. You can buy a 'day one' smart TV and it will have a day one software update. Order a 'day one' graphics card and it will have a day one driver update. This is the way the game is played. Drop the tin foil hat.

I've never bought a smart TV that won't let me watch TV without updating first. What are some other mainstream products that are bricks until a day one update?
viveks86
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(11-11-2013, 07:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by peterb0y

Based on that one word- this is tales from my ass.

LOL. This is exactly what I hate seeing. Everyone's so trigger happy! :/
robo
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(11-11-2013, 07:06 AM)
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the UK disc version doesn't have offline play enabled on the back for the PS4 version.

1-2 players
2-18 network players
49gb minimum
DS4 vib function
HD output, 720p,1080i and 1080P
remote play supported
peterb0y
(11-11-2013, 07:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by GribbleGrunger

Yeah, I finally got there. This is why MS need to stop this faffing about and give a straight answer immediately.

One tweet and a website Ive never heard before that sources a forum post?

Its the middle of the night. Tomorrow at the latest we'll get confirmation Im sure.
Steel
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(11-11-2013, 07:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by GribbleGrunger

Yeah, I finally got there. This is why MS need to stop this faffing about and give a straight answer immediately.

Pretty much. Wonder how long Albert's posts gonna be. What was the time stamp on his post again? I mean it's been at least 2 hours right?
VXLbeast
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(11-11-2013, 07:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by peterb0y

What.

I should say, if it isn't this (which I'm guessing is going to end up being nothing), then it could be a lot worse.
-PXG-
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(11-11-2013, 07:08 AM)
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CBOAT only pops his head out and makes public comments when necessary. People say things and speculate all day, every day on GAF. So far, his/her track record us pretty damn good.
Creaking
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(11-11-2013, 07:08 AM)
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Originally Posted by crazy buttocks on a train

imagn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW7Op86ox9g
Eppy Thatcher
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(11-11-2013, 07:09 AM)
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Have to wait on the launch to bite on this one. I'm about as far into the Sony camp you can get bit surely this cant be what they pplanned.day 1 server/uodate fix id bet...

Otherwise the 23rd is gonna be a fun day...
ButtSmasher
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(11-11-2013, 07:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Arrogant Bastard

So in a nutshell, you are upset that if you break a ToS and get your account/console banned then you cannot access content that you have paid for?

Sounds like a digital only problem to me, not a Microsoft problem. Easy way around this, stop breaking ToS.

I'm not upset. I was just saying what I think that other person was getting at. There was another thread where some guy got banned "for no reason" where people were arguing over whether or not it's fair for them not to allow you access to your digital games. I follow ToS and I'm not getting an Xbox one so I'm not worried. I'm here for the luls
peterb0y
(11-11-2013, 07:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by VXLbeast

I should say, if it isn't this (which I'm guessing is going to end up being nothing), then it could be a lot worse.

True.

Or it could be nothing. Like the broken snapping, etc, etc, etc.

We just don't know.
viveks86
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(11-11-2013, 07:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by GribbleGrunger

Yeah, I finally got there. This is why MS need to stop this faffing about and give a straight answer immediately.

Come on. You need more patience, my friend. Shouldn't let the "Are we there yet" mentality get to you. Say "Ommmmmmm"

GribbleGrunger
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(11-11-2013, 07:11 AM)

Originally Posted by Steel

Pretty much. Wonder how long Albert's posts gonna be. What was the time stamp on his post again? I mean it's been at least 2 hours right?

No idea, but there are a few articles now popping up and by tomorrow it will be a nightmare to contain.
GribbleGrunger
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(11-11-2013, 07:13 AM)

Originally Posted by viveks86

Come on. You need more patience, my friend. Shouldn't let the "Are we there yet" mentality get to you. Say "Ommmmmmm"

I'm more of an 'Ummmmm' sort of guy.
peterb0y
(11-11-2013, 07:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by GribbleGrunger

No idea, but there are a few articles now popping up and by tomorrow it will be a nightmare to contain.

One article, and I don't foresee many more writing up "DRM IS BACK" based on one post that reads "imagn"
hawk2025
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(11-11-2013, 07:13 AM)
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I think it's safe to assume that Albert is sleeping, guys :p
Arrogant Bastard
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(11-11-2013, 07:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by Foghorn Leghorn

I've never bought a smart TV that won't let me watch TV without updating first. What are some other mainstream products that are bricks until a day one update?

Context. The poster I replied to was implying a tin-foil conspiracy.

Let me know where I said you cannot watch TV without the update or where I implied that other mainstream products are bricks until a day one update.

Follow the conversation, the poster was implying that the update was not required. That it was potentially some nefarious plot to tract users or obtain some data.
Albert Penello
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(11-11-2013, 07:14 AM)
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FYI it's 11pm on a Sunday, so people aren't exactly quick to respond to work email. I wanted to check in before I shut-down for the evening. This is what I believe is going on:

We still have two more weeks before launch - the console is in a pre-release state. We are doing regular updates - I personally took one a few minutes before he posted. His build is now old. This is why we were saying we didn't want people on early - it's not done yet.

This behavior is only because we are in pre-release. When we launch, console will work exactly as you expect today on 360.

For sure this has nothing to do with requiring a connection. There is no "DRM removal" in the Day One update because none of the consoles were ever built with that stuff in it.

This also has nothing to do with COD. The Day One update just brings the SW up to date with the latest versions vs. what's on the box. But there is no 24 check in, that's for sure.
Steel
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(11-11-2013, 07:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by hawk2025

I think it's safe to assume that Albert is sleeping, guys :p

At 11 pm california time when shit's hitting the fan? That'd be odd. I suppose it would also be odd if he could contact the people he can verify the problem with at this time too....

Yeah... We might have to wait till tmrw.

Edit: Of course just as I post this Albert posts on top of me....
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GribbleGrunger
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(11-11-2013, 07:15 AM)

Originally Posted by peterb0y

One article, and I don't foresee many more writing up "DRM IS BACK" based on one post that reads "imagn"

They're not based on "imagn" there based on what I wrote in the OP. Where do you think I got that article from?
Arrogant Bastard
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(11-11-2013, 07:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by ButtSmasher

I was just saying what I think that other person was getting at. There was another thread where some guy got banned "for no reason" where people were arguing over whether or not it's fair for them not to allow you access to your digital games.

Very doubtful.
pablonerru
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(11-11-2013, 07:16 AM)

Originally Posted by Sir Fragula

The Day One patch is to put the production Operating System in place, not to remove DRM.

How's the DRM being removed then?
hawk2025
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(11-11-2013, 07:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Steel

At 11 pm california time when shit's hitting the fan? That'd be odd. I suppose it would also be odd if he could contact the people he can verify the problem with at this time too....

Yeah... We might have to wait till tmrw.



Well, he has to talk to someone. And that someone might be sleeping or just off the radar for the night.
Sir Fragula
(11-11-2013, 07:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by pablonerru

How's the DRM being removed then?

Post 994.

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