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TaroYamada
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(01-23-2014, 09:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Grief.exe

Linked the wrong tweet

https://twitter.com/Grief_exe/status/426384293762310144

Fob's hard for me to get ahold of, but I'll shoot him an email.

edit; actually I just checked, he doesn't link to any tweets just screencaps that specific one from the old thread.
Nillansan
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(01-23-2014, 09:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by ashecitism

I don't know, can we maybe get some popular YT guys behind this? Like TB? He's a massive Platinum fan.

edit: wait, doesn't he have some boycott against Sega? :<

Originally Posted by TaroYamada

TB is and it's been discussed. Unfortunately, unless his policy has changed, he is still boycotting Sega content due to Sega's Shining Force debacle.

Originally Posted by Grief.exe

I was actually going to message him when I saw some activity on his feed, but it might be better off if we didn't.

Originally Posted by ArjanN

Couldn't hurt to try, I'm actually pretty sure his video helped push a decent percentage of the Dark Souls petition votes, as his videos get hundreds of thousands of views.
Not sure if his Sega boycott thing is still going on.


I think it would be worth a shot to convince Totalbiscuit to get on board, it seems like the boycott he had in place has been lifted.
Salih
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(01-23-2014, 09:59 PM)
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It's nice to want things but who the fuck should port all these games?
Crub
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(01-23-2014, 10:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Abominable Snowman

It's also some craziness how Sega SuperStars Tennis makes it to Mac but skips PC.

Yeah, that's a weird one. I think the studio who did the port also based their Mac port of Arkham Asylum on the PS3 version, so it's not a first for them.

Edit:

Originally Posted by Salih

It's nice to want things but who the fuck should port all these games?

The guys who worked on Rising could potentially jump on Vanquish.
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Nillansan
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(01-23-2014, 10:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Salih

It's nice to want things but who the fuck should port all these games?

We aren't asking for all the games to be released simultaneously, are we now? SEGA has ported a lot games over the years - even some rather unexpected titles such as Viking: Battle for Asgard and House of the Dead, I am sure that they can allocate a small group of developers to do a few more.
Grief.exe
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(01-23-2014, 10:14 PM)
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Even during the Twitter campaign a few weeks ago, r/Games was so against this idea.

The post just fell off the top page, I just can't comprehend why this would be such an issue.

1,200 signatures on the petition.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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(01-23-2014, 10:21 PM)
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It makes sense. Steam is a fantastic platform for these older games.

Valkyrie Chroniclrs as well!
TaroYamada
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(01-23-2014, 10:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Grief.exe

Even during the Twitter campaign a few weeks ago, r/Games was so against this idea.

The post just fell off the top page, I just can't comprehend why this would be such an issue.

1,200 signatures on the petition.

Hmm, ultra protective console fanboys?
Synth
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(01-23-2014, 10:24 PM)
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I don't do petitions....

except this one!
Felix Lighter
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(01-23-2014, 10:24 PM)
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I think one thing that was going for the Dark Souls petition that this one lacks is Blighttown. The prospect of the playing the game without the horrible performance issues was a huge draw for existing owners as much as those who didn't own a Xbox 360 or PS3 at the time.

Vanquished at 60 fps is the closest parallel here.
TaroYamada
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(01-23-2014, 10:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Felix Lighter

I think one thing that was going for the Dark Souls petition that this one lacks is Blighttown. The prospect of the playing the game without the horrible performance issues was a huge draw for existing owners as much as those who didn't own a Xbox 360 or PS3 at the time.

Vanquished at 60 fps is the closest parallel here.

Terribad Bayonetta on PS3 might help us too I'd wager.
Nillansan
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(01-23-2014, 10:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Synth

I don't do petitions....

except this one!

Much appreciated!
Seik
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(01-23-2014, 10:29 PM)
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Signed.

Bayo/Vanquish on PC would be so HNNNNNNG.
SpikedGunner
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(01-23-2014, 10:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by TaroYamada

Terribad Bayonetta on PS3 might help us too I'd wager.

I was about to mention, though I have to ask (since I own the 360 version), how bad or rather how much was it improved post patch?

Something I may have missed in the discussion, but any reason Resonance of Fate isn't included as a candidate?
NZNova
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(01-23-2014, 10:32 PM)
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Man I would buy the shit out of Vanquish and Bayo on Steam. For reals.
Crimsonclaw111
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(01-23-2014, 10:33 PM)
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I signed it, good luck GAF.
AHA-Lambda
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(01-23-2014, 10:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nillansan


I think it would be worth a shot to convince Totalbiscuit to get on board, it seems like the boycott he had in place has been lifted.

March 2013? Nah, he's still been on his boycott since then.
xemumanic
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(01-23-2014, 10:36 PM)
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Signed. This is 'easy' money Sega, just do it!
hey_it's_that_dog
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Originally Posted by SpikedGunner

I was about to mention, though I have to ask (since I own the 360 version), how bad or rather how much was it improved post patch?

Something I may have missed in the discussion, but any reason Resonance of Fate isn't included as a candidate?

Patch fixed loading. Framerate and image quality were not improved.
Seik
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(01-23-2014, 10:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by SpikedGunner

I was about to mention, though I have to ask (since I own the 360 version), how bad or rather how much was it improved post patch?

Bayo on PS3, even post-patch, is inferior. There's still tons of slowdowns and stutters during gameplay/cutscenes.

I have both version and I get my 360 hooked only for this game, hell, it's one of the only reasons why I'm keeping my 360. Because I just can't play it on PS3 after playing the 360 version. D:
Grief.exe
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(01-23-2014, 10:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by TaroYamada

Hmm, ultra protective console fanboys?

Nah, mods removed it again even after I changed the wording.

Tough to notice since they don't actually delete the post, just remove it from the r/games sub-reddit.

Originally Posted by Crimsonclaw111

I signed it, good luck GAF.

Remember to retweet and stop by on Reddit if you want to help us a bit more.

Originally Posted by Seik

Bayo on PS3, even post-patch, is inferior. There's still tons of slowdowns and stutters during gameplay/cutscenes.

I have both version and I get my 360 hooked only for this game, hell, it's one of the only reasons why I'm keeping my 360. Because I just can't play it on PS3 after playing the 360 version. D:

Soon you will be unplugging that 360 permanently.
InfiniteNine
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(01-23-2014, 10:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Grief.exe

Soon you will be unplugging that 360 permanently.

Sadly I wont unless Cave starts porting their stuff to PC as well.
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(01-23-2014, 10:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by InfiniteNine

Sadly I wont unless Cave starts porting their stuff to PC as well.

360 is stealth godtier
TaroYamada
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(01-23-2014, 10:46 PM)
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I found this reply to one of Grief's reddit postings rather humorous:

John Cheng (President of Sega America) here.

Hey everybody! Sega America is really super stoked at your interest in ports to PC for our great legacy titles. As a longtime fan of Virtua Fighter 5 myself, I completely understand the desire to bring these fabulous titles to a larger audience!

Unfortunately, in mid-1999, shortly before Isao Okawa announced our shift to developing third-party software the Evil God Cthulu appeared to Isao and demanded that we never port these games to PC. According to the terms of our blood-pact with the Evil God we cannot fulfill your request. Sorry.

Proof that it's me. (I think this may be a banned meme here on gaf so I'm not actually linking it)

Crimsonclaw111
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(01-23-2014, 10:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Grief.exe

Remember to retweet and stop by on Reddit if you want to help us a bit more.

Will do, though Reddit never seems to care.
Videoneon
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(01-23-2014, 10:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Draikin 2

I understand that. And obviously it's Sega who makes the decisions anyway, and they're in a much better position to know what is or isn't possible. I'm just disappointed by the sudden alteration of what seemed to be a list of three games that the majority agreed upon. And it seems others agree, but they don't want make a fuss about it because it would ruin the chances of the petition. Something I understand, especially after the time I spent posting on Sega's own forum to get their community to participate in the petition. While TaroYamada could easily alter the petition to include VC back in to the main list (and simply have 4 titles), something tells me that's unlikely to happen, despite how much the support the game got in the Twitter campaign and the original thread. And I don't want to end up in a position where I'm accused of trying to ruin the fan effort.

I guess now that the petition turned out the way it did, the best thing Valkyria Chronicles fans can do now is sign the petition and ask for the game specifically in the comments. Hopefully, they're still motivated to do so, despite the game being removed from Grief's original three choices.

I want to note the bolded, though of course it's reasonable from the vantage point of the petition writer to guess what's most reasonable. And secondly, if the point behind the petition is the selection of low hanging fruit, why choose three titles at once? The idea of low hanging fruit is in the interest of expedience - unless these are all contracted out at once (unlikely) I don't suppose they'll all be quick jobs once approved. We would probably be waiting a year before Sega has satisfactory data points on first choices, and in the meantime the -other- choices cease to exist as a relevant part of the movement. Besides, even as someone who supports the biggest of longshots, it's unreasonable to think Sega is going to just-so connect the dots unless they explicitly express that this is something they may pursue. We would be looking at ports becoming "viable" years down the line for something like VC. And if the ports fail commercially, those who abdicated their wishes in the interests of what they saw as pragmatism now lost their chance.

The decision to choose titles has splintered the movement and I don't think this is all that debatable, since at its inception the sentiment was clearly general and not about specific titles to choose as representative of the movement. This is even reflected in some of the signature reasons posted, which include people asking for Persona, Jet Set Radio Future, and Shenmue among other things. But if a constraint were necessary, the primary determinant should have been fan demand. That being said, I don't begrudge the success of this movement (I can't rain on the parade, the movement is beyond any one person at this point,) and I don't need a response to this or anything, but in spite of the good intentions behind the campaign I have issues with how it's evolved. Besides, I wouldn't do so, as more games for more people, the better.

Originally Posted by Nillansan

We aren't asking for all the games to be released simultaneously, are we now? SEGA has ported a lot games over the years - even some rather unexpected titles such as Viking: Battle for Asgard and House of the Dead, I am sure that they can allocate a small group of developers to do a few more.

See, over the years. a port now for something like VC would have been opportune, as the franchise is merely in the doldrums. In a couple of years, it is dead.

Originally Posted by SpikedGunner

Something I may have missed in the discussion, but any reason Resonance of Fate isn't included as a candidate?

Quite a few people initially did want Resonance of Fate. Resonance of Fate was made with the "first generation" or iteration of tri-Ace's ASKA engine, designed for PS3, 360, and PC development. The same thing they used for Infinite Undiscovery and I think Star Ocean 4. They've since demoed a second generation a couple of years ago but I don't believe anything came of it, and I don't believe the 2nd ASKA engine was used for the FFXIII sequels.
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TheFNEffecT
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(01-23-2014, 10:47 PM)
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Supported and excited at the possibility!
Relaxed Muscle
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Originally Posted by InfiniteNine

Sadly I wont unless Cave starts porting their stuff to PC as well.

Ikaruga got greenlighted in 2 weeks. If Cave were smart enough they would start porting thier games right now.
Tig3r3y3
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(01-23-2014, 10:48 PM)
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Signed. Hopefully the sigs will pick up because it's kinda on the low side :/
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Originally Posted by Crimsonclaw111

Will do, though Reddit never seems to care.

Having people who would care spread through a million different subreddits probably doesn't help.
TaroYamada
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(01-23-2014, 10:53 PM)
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SEGANerds story up, I'll round all these reports up in the OP here soon probably.
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Originally Posted by Relaxed Muscle

Ikaruga got greenlighted in 2 weeks. If Cave were smart enough they would start porting thier games right now.

I'd sell my 360 ASAP since that is pretty much the only thing holding me back at the moment besides Bayonetta.
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Taro Yamada you might wanna add the reasons as to why these 3 games were picked , so we don't have more people confusing this as some kind of popularity contest.

Both Vanquish and Bayo run on the same engine Revengeance does and is already ported to the PC. And VF 5S runs on Windows. Clearly these are not very expensive projects at all.

VC on the other hand has been exclusive to Sony platforms for quite a while and would cost more to port over. In fact Sony might even have a deal with Sega for the games exclusivity , otherwise we would have easily seen a 3DS version somewhere.
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Originally Posted by Shadoken

Taro Yamada you might wanna add the reasons as to why these 3 games were picked , so we dont have more people confusing this as some kind of popularity contest.

Both Vanquish and Bayo run on the same engine Revengeance does and is already ported to the PC. And VF 5S runs on Windows. Clearly these are not very expensive projects at all.

VC on the other hand has been exclusive to Sony platforms for quite a while and would cost more to port over. Infact Sony might even have a deal with Sega for the games exclusivity , otherwise we would have easily seen a 3DS version somewhere.

VC characters are on the 3DS via Project X Zone though.
TaroYamada
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(01-23-2014, 11:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shadoken

Taro Yamada you might wanna add the reasons as to why these 3 games were picked , so we don't have more people confusing this as some kind of popularity contest.

Both Vanquish and Bayo run on the same engine Revengeance does and is already ported to the PC. And VF 5S runs on Windows. Clearly these are not very expensive projects at all.

VC on the other hand has been exclusive to Sony platforms for quite a while and would cost more to port over. In fact Sony might even have a deal with Sega for the games exclusivity , otherwise we would have easily seen a 3DS version somewhere.

I've tried, it's in the petition, it's been spread across multiple pages. The people who don't understand why we went this way will continue to not understand why we went this way, I'll talk to grief and see if he thinks we should drum something up for the OP.

It's not a bad suggestion I'm just convinced that it may not change much.
Grief.exe
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(01-23-2014, 11:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by TaroYamada

SEGANerds story up, I'll round all these reports up in the OP here soon probably.

I really liked this part of the article. I can't stress this enough. No one respects those that make lowbrow or ignorant comments. I know I don't listen to comments on Neogaf, youtube, reddit, twitter, etc that come off ignorant or needlessly attacking.

Please, donít outrage on the phrases you tweet or text on social networks about this, not everyone does it, but some users do. It is clear that you want your voice to be heard, but remember that there are people who work at SEGAís community team, they are persons too and are there to help you in getting your message to the proper people, final word does not rely on the community team, so it really helps their day and the campaign if you are polite on your say, right?

Originally Posted by Shadoken

Taro Yamada you might wanna add the reasons as to why these 3 games were picked , so we don't have more people confusing this as some kind of popularity contest.

Both Vanquish and Bayo run on the same engine Revengeance does and is already ported to the PC. And VF 5S runs on Windows. Clearly these are not very expensive projects at all.

VC on the other hand has been exclusive to Sony platforms for quite a while and would cost more to port over. In fact Sony might even have a deal with Sega for the games exclusivity , otherwise we would have easily seen a 3DS version somewhere.

About as good as an explanation as you can get.
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Originally Posted by Relaxed Muscle

Ikaruga got greenlighted in 2 weeks. If Cave were smart enough they would start porting thier games right now.

Unfortunately the problem with that is that it doesn't have much of a long term future. Cave's software is full price because they want to keep it as premium value, but the moment they start releasing their catalog at 20/30$ (and the latter would be a big stretch for these kind of games) it'd be difficult to go back to the higher prices. Which would be ok if it expanded their userbase, of course, but eventually people who don't play an already niche genre for high scores and 1cc-s will most likely just stop buying them altogether. I suppose region-locking for Japan could help, but it's still risky.

As for the petition, has anyone e-mailed news sites/blogs? Rock-Paper-Shotgun, Kotaku, etc, even if they're not PC-specific, can't really hurt.
Baron von Loathsome
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Originally Posted by TaroYamada

Hmm, ultra protective console fanboys?

Maybe, but /r/Games tends to lean more towards PC gaming.
Dusk Golem
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My suggestion maybe to get the point across more is to port the ports of older games SEGA has gotten around to doing years later on Steam.

Typing of the Dead Overkill: http://store.steampowered.com/app/246580/
Sonic Adventure 2: http://store.steampowered.com/app/213610/
Condemned Criminal Origins: http://store.steampowered.com/app/4720/
Sonic CD: http://store.steampowered.com/app/200940/
NiGHTS into Dreams: http://store.steampowered.com/app/219950/
Jet Set Radio: http://store.steampowered.com/app/205950/

(and get Binary Domain, it was a more recent game that was pretty great: http://store.steampowered.com/app/203750/ )
Grief.exe
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Originally Posted by Baron von Loathsome

Maybe, but /r/Games tends to lean more towards PC gaming.

It ended up getting removed by mods due to a no petition rule.
Cerity
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definitely signed, I want to play a few console games (namely bayonetta, vanquish and dragons dogma) but simply couldn't handle the issues on PS3. I could pickup a 360 for them but PC will always be the better alternative.
TaroYamada
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Originally Posted by Shadoken

Taro Yamada you might wanna add the reasons as to why these 3 games were picked , so we don't have more people confusing this as some kind of popularity contest.

Both Vanquish and Bayo run on the same engine Revengeance does and is already ported to the PC. And VF 5S runs on Windows. Clearly these are not very expensive projects at all.

VC on the other hand has been exclusive to Sony platforms for quite a while and would cost more to port over. In fact Sony might even have a deal with Sega for the games exclusivity , otherwise we would have easily seen a 3DS version somewhere.

Shado, I just quoted you in the OP. Hope that's ok.
Emperor_EL
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I think we should post this on Danquish's Facebook page, he liked Vanquish so much that he made an ARS Suit. I'm sure he wouldn't mind getting behind this.

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialDanquish
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Originally Posted by Dusk Golem

My suggestion maybe to get the point across more is to port the ports of older games SEGA has gotten around to doing years later on Steam.

Typing of the Dead Overkill: http://store.steampowered.com/app/246580/
Sonic Adventure 2: http://store.steampowered.com/app/213610/
Condemned Criminal Origins: http://store.steampowered.com/app/4720/
Sonic CD: http://store.steampowered.com/app/200940/
NiGHTS into Dreams: http://store.steampowered.com/app/219950/
Jet Set Radio: http://store.steampowered.com/app/205950/

(and get Binary Domain, it was a more recent game that was pretty great: http://store.steampowered.com/app/203750/ )

I own every one of these on steam including pretty much everything else. I would buy them again if they came out on GOG.
Grief.exe
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(01-23-2014, 11:36 PM)
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Unfortunately I only have Binary Domain and Jet Set Radio out of those options, most of those offerings don't even appeal to me.
TaroYamada
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Originally Posted by Emperor_EL

I think we should post this on Danquish's Facebook page, he liked Vanquish so much that he made an ARS Suit. I'm sure he wouldn't mind getting behind this.

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialDanquish

A friend of mine messaged him based on your recommendation.
Baron von Loathsome
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Originally Posted by Grief.exe

It ended up getting removed by mods due to a no petition rule.

I wasn't disputing that, just addressing his claim.

Originally Posted by Dusk Golem

My suggestion maybe to get the point across more is to port the ports of older games SEGA has gotten around to doing years later on Steam.

Typing of the Dead Overkill: http://store.steampowered.com/app/246580/
Sonic Adventure 2: http://store.steampowered.com/app/213610/
Condemned Criminal Origins: http://store.steampowered.com/app/4720/
Sonic CD: http://store.steampowered.com/app/200940/
NiGHTS into Dreams: http://store.steampowered.com/app/219950/
Jet Set Radio: http://store.steampowered.com/app/205950/

(and get Binary Domain, it was a more recent game that was pretty great: http://store.steampowered.com/app/203750/ )

I have Typing of the Dead and Sonic CD. Sonic Adventure 2 is one of those games I'm not sure if I want to buy.
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Originally Posted by Persona7

I would buy sega games on GOG.

That would be awesome.
Also signed the petition
ArjanN
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Originally Posted by Grief.exe

Unfortunately I only have Binary Domain and Jet Set Radio out of those options, most of those offerings don't even appeal to me.

Get Condemned. It's great.
TaroYamada
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(01-23-2014, 11:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dusk Golem

My suggestion maybe to get the point across more is to port the ports of older games SEGA has gotten around to doing years later on Steam.

Typing of the Dead Overkill: http://store.steampowered.com/app/246580/
Sonic Adventure 2: http://store.steampowered.com/app/213610/
Condemned Criminal Origins: http://store.steampowered.com/app/4720/
Sonic CD: http://store.steampowered.com/app/200940/
NiGHTS into Dreams: http://store.steampowered.com/app/219950/
Jet Set Radio: http://store.steampowered.com/app/205950/

(and get Binary Domain, it was a more recent game that was pretty great: http://store.steampowered.com/app/203750/ )

I have all but SA2/Condemned.
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