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Icycalm is Making an (Über)game

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system11

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I would say this guy can't be serious but I know lots of people really are naive enough to believe that inviting a bunch of unpaid volunteers across the world to collaborate on a project that you have done no preparation for will result in an epic dream video game.

Read some of his articles, you'll very quickly learn to just laugh along with the rest of us.

He simply doesn't comprehend a situation where he is wrong or can't succeed. If this project fails, which it will as he inevitably alienates or bans everyone involved with it, it will be their fault, their weakness, for being 'subhumans' and/or 'fagots'.

That or the page and all traces of it will be deleted.
 
Read some of his articles, you'll very quickly learn to just laugh along with the rest of us.

Aren't you a little unfair here? I remember that you wrote at least several times in the shmups forum that you liked his old articles on insomnia.ac and banning him wasn't an easy decision.
 

system11

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Aren't you a little unfair here? I remember that you wrote at least several times in the shmups forum that you liked his old articles on insomnia.ac and banning him wasn't an easy decision.

Yeah, he used to write some good things - often abrasive but usually with some merit.

That was before he turned into what you see now - and what you see now is thoroughly ugly to the core. Articles so thoroughly full of poorly worded psychobabble that they're no longer a good read, and a tendency to lash out in a particularly unpleasant manner. Try reading some of his comments about women for example.
 

rovan

Banned
Yeah, my friend once gave me a book with swear words in it. When I saw the first one, I immediately gave it to my mom and she never let me look at it again. Thank god.
 
Try reading some of his comments about women for example.

I tend to ignore them because they are obviously just taken from those dating- or how-to-be-a-real-man sites. He even linked two of them on his front page. It's not that I don't understand the criticism and hate about him but he revoked my interest in games a few years back when I thought I was just getting too old for them. Sometimes I feel like a Michael Jackson fan, if you know what I mean. I know that he isn't a good human being but still...
 

Shiina

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Lovely person.
 
He really read nietzsche and did not understand the self reflexive commentary about egomania?

Maybe it is lost in the english translations. This guy is just obsessed with himself.
 

Occam

Member
Having had the dubious pleasure of coming into contact with him in the past in another forum, I can attest to him having severe mental problems. He should get treatment.
 

rovan

Banned
@MaschinenZimmer

That article is not good. All it does is say "Sure maybe games are sexist towards girls, but they are also sexist towards guys." As if that somehow counters the White-knight arguments.

The real counter to that whole sexism thing is that videogames are about awesome shit, and big boobs, skinny waists, and big butts are awesome, so we put them in videogames. Big dudes with hulking muscles are awesome too, so we put them in videogames too. If you have a problem with that, tough luck. The only way it's going to change is over every genuine game developer's dead body.

If anyone has a problem with this, it is because they are insecure in their own appearance. Instead of trying to force the world not to depict people more attract than themselves, they should just get over it. The other type of person who poses these arguments is the one just trying to earn rep/look smart. They never have an actual argument, and instead just throw out lots of buzzwords.

And I edited my last post because I thought it might lead to this thread being deleted.

Edit: I would go so far to suggest that having hot people in games is actually better for society. If it pressures people into making themselves hotter (and therefore more confident and happy) then thats great. If it makes a fat girl feel bad because she's fat... no problem there. She should lose weight.
 

Big_Al

Unconfirmed Member
Haha, holy shit. It's been a loooooooooooong time since I've heard that name. He's EXACTLY the same as he was even 4 - 5 years ago. The guy used to go to another forum I still go to and ended up leaving their eventually as well. Just completely and utterly mental and really full of himself plus he loved using quotes but didn't seem to even understand the shite he was talking. Pure nutter.
 

Arkage

Banned
I tend to ignore them because they are obviously just taken from those dating- or how-to-be-a-real-man sites. He even linked two of them on his front page. It's not that I don't understand the criticism and hate about him but he revoked my interest in games a few years back when I thought I was just getting too old for them. Sometimes I feel like a Michael Jackson fan, if you know what I mean. I know that he isn't a good human being but still...

Comparing Michael Jackson to this guy is unfair to Michael Jackson. The articles you linked are interesting if you can get past his incredibly abrasive style of writing. Most people wont get past it, most people won't read it, so in the end most people wont give a shit about him or his projects beyond realizing he's literally a criminal to be ignored or avoided. But yea, some of his older blog things are ok, so that's something..?
 

Arkage

Banned
The real counter to that whole sexism thing is that videogames are about awesome shit, and big boobs, skinny waists, and big butts are awesome, so we put them in videogames. Big dudes with hulking muscles are awesome too, so we put them in videogames too. If you have a problem with that, tough luck. The only way it's going to change is over every genuine game developer's dead body.

If anyone has a problem with this, it is because they are insecure in their own appearance.

Are you a highly muscular 13 year old male? Because I imagine that being the container your brain sits inside in order to create such wondrous sociological truths.
 

Mman235

Member
I see Icycalm is the gift that keeps on giving. He's turned hubris into an artform.

@MaschinenZimmer

That article is not good. All it does is say "Sure maybe games are sexist towards girls, but they are also sexist towards guys." As if that somehow counters the White-knight arguments.

The real counter to that whole sexism thing is that videogames are about awesome shit, and big boobs, skinny waists, and big butts are awesome, so we put them in videogames. Big dudes with hulking muscles are awesome too, so we put them in videogames too. If you have a problem with that, tough luck. The only way it's going to change is over every genuine game developer's dead body.

If anyone has a problem with this, it is because they are insecure in their own appearance. Instead of trying to force the world not to depict people more attract than themselves, they should just get over it. The other type of person who poses these arguments is the one just trying to earn rep/look smart. They never have an actual argument, and instead just throw out lots of buzzwords.

And I edited my last post because I thought it might lead to this thread being deleted.

Edit: I would go so far to suggest that having hot people in games is actually better for society. If it pressures people into making themselves hotter (and therefore more confident and happy) then thats great. If it makes a fat girl feel bad because she's fat... no problem there. She should lose weight.

Hi Icycalm!
 

rovan

Banned
If you want to provide a counter-argument I will respond to it, otherwise this is the only reply you will be getting.
 
@rovan
I think you are undervaluing SBs article. It's short, easy to read and appears to be not very deep but it is.

Every comic book consumer has to endure this hogwash as well. Female comic characters are constantly derided for having "unrealistic" bodies, as if the bodies of their male counterparts are somehow realistic, leaving an imbalance warranting special concern for the females. Power Girl is a common whipping boy for this type of logic, so long as the one complaining ignores the innumerable male heroes fighting at her side who are impossibly muscular, clad only in scattered spandex, part of a mask and a cape.

The most ridiculous argument is that which claims that certain portrayals of women set "unrealistic" standards for young girls that they feel pressured to achieve. Such a claim is never made by a woman who has achieved an excellent figure, because that takes work and willpower. Someone with both of those isn't going to put in the work only to discourage others from accomplishing the same. Team Bombshell comes to mind; here is a group of women who look like comic book superheroines, and their group exists solely to help other girls interested competitive fitness.

The argument is also never made about boys and their perceptions of themselves. My favorite NES game growing up was Super C, and no one thought twice about me playing a game where the heroes were roided-up and shirtless. Taken further, there was no talk about how (as an impressionable boy) I might compare myself to Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Van Damme or any of the other action-movie heroes of my childhood. I am not part of a grievance group, so there isn't anyone to sit around dreaming up grievances for me. In a way, it's liberating: I can watch Cliffhanger or play Altered Beast without anyone thinking I'm so fragile that I might burst into tears, collapsing from feelings of inadequacy.

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What's clear is that the words "sexism" and "misogyny" are used impetuously, despite the fact that those traits are almost never actually seen in videogames. The bellyaching about women in games is also a much greater nuisance than actual sexism in gaming would ever be.

He pretty much says exactly what you just did. I am using this as an example for a writing style that can be used in public forums for discussions. You are right, quoting his "cocksucking" article might be ban-worthy here and, again, I KNOW why he is writing the way he does but he must accept the fact that people will dismiss him if he doesn't try to change his writing style. People here are already mad because of the use of the word "fagot". You can't have a serious discussion with all the noise that such words creating in a public place like gaf. In this regard SB has the better style. He does not goes as deep as him but he is able to reach the masses by writing the way he does. Just look:

The articles you linked are interesting if you can get past his incredibly abrasive style of writing. Most people wont get past it, most people won't read it, so in the end most people wont give a shit about him or his projects beyond realizing he's literally a criminal to be ignored or avoided.

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I see Icycalm is the gift that keeps on giving. He's turned hubris into an artform.

Hi Icycalm!

It's already a lost cause. People will not listen just because of the way he is using the English language.
 
All I got from this is that there's a mentally ill con-man/blogger who writes about videogames and goes by the moniker of "icycalm" (which is the opposite of his real disposition, apparently).

He also seems to think that a development team can consist of an infinitely large pool of people while still being efficient and producing a cohesive product if the director is good enough.

This seems to be an amusing collection of analyses of his...work. (At the very least, I don't have to read it in one big chunk.) I wish he were more concise.
 
It's already a lost cause. People will not listen just because of the way he is using the English language.

Or... you could find his personality crude and hateful. Then you could see that his writing misinterprets history and philosophy to conclude upon ego-driven trite shit.

Like I do.
 

rovan

Banned
@MaschinenZimmer I still disagree that the article you linked comes anywhere close to saying what I said. I like the line about women that have worked to become attractive never complaining about this, but it's not because "they wouldnt discourage other women from doing it". I think it's more like they know what it's like to feel unattractive, they know how much better it feels to be attractive... they recognize that valuing attractiveness is a good thing.

And dude, the reason these people don't read Icycalm is not because of his bad language! It's because they are threatened by him and need an excuse to justify their dismissing him. If he wrote with nice language, it would 1) not make a difference because people would still be threatened by him, so they would just find another excuse to dismiss him, and 2) ruin his arguments! The subhuman/human dichotomy is critical to his entire philosophy. If he stopped calling people subhumans, he wouldn't be able to write anything!

Edit: @Dictator93 I should stop referencing Icy's philosophy because I don't understand it that well. He's probably pissed just reading the above passage. If you've read some of his writing, and you think he has misinterpreted Nietzsche, then make your claim right here in this thread. He will at least read it. If you say something intelligent he might address it on his site later.
 
You mean these comments?


Just in case you somehow don't know yet, if you want some of Icy's most laughable statements on race/women/anything that go beyond just silly word choice, just look at his orgy of the will or whatever site. I seriously had to double check just to make sure the whole thing wasn't some elaborate attempt by some hacker to make Icy look like some 16 year old /pol/ edgelord by shitting out a giant wall of immature drivel.
One doesn't really need to slander his name, because he already does it far better than anyone else can.
 
@MaschinenZimmer I still disagree that the article you linked comes anywhere close to saying what I said. I like the line about good-looking women never complaining about this, but it's not because "they wouldnt discourage other women from doing it". I think it's more like are are proud of their fucking bodies, and love feeling hot, and so would never condemn it.

And dude, the reason these people don't read Icycalm is not because of his bad language! It's because they are threatened by him and need an excuse to justify their dismissing him. If he wrote with nice language, it would 1) not make a difference because people would still be threatened by him, so they would just find another excuse to dismiss him, and 2) ruin his arguments! The subhuman/human dichotomy is critical to his entire philosophy. If he stopped calling people subhumans, he wouldn't be able to write anything!

wow he literally does not understand nietzsche at all. It is pathetic.
 
Or... you could find his personality crude and hateful. Then you could see that his writing misinterprets history and philosophy to conclude upon ego-driven trite shit.

Like I do.

I don't see nothing wrong with misinterpreting history and philosophy as long as the person is open for a discussion and brings some interesting arguments. Both sides can learn something in the end. Using controversy is way to trigger discussions and forces people to rethink and strength their values in life.
 

randomkid

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Or... you could find his personality crude and hateful. Then you could see that his writing misinterprets history and philosophy to conclude upon ego-driven trite shit.

Like I do.

Yeah I mean even if you could get past his long justifications of why he should be able to call Armond White an "uneducated nigger" or his weird essays about how he surfs to keep from being depressed, after you emerge from the icycalm wormhole you quickly realize that his arguments are basically nonsense and the language is a crutch to self-justify his irrelevance. It was a fun two workdays exploring his site though way back when, it cracks me up that the dude is still at it.
 

Arkage

Banned
I like the line about good-looking women never complaining about this

Brilliant observation by both that article and yourself! I forgot that female critics of objectification in media are actually all ugly and insecure. Such mature argument. Very wow.
 
I don't see nothing wrong with misinterpreting history and philosophy as long as the person is open for a discussion and brings some interesting arguments. Both sides can learn something in the end. Using controversy is way to trigger discussions and forces people to rethink and strength their values in life.
Does he do this, though? His arguments are obfuscated in some parts drivel and other parts rambling on. Nothing immediately stands out as compelling. I'm not saying it needs to be, mind, but it's hard to take seriously.
 

Mman235

Member
It's already a lost cause. People will not listen just because of the way he is using the English language.

I gave Icycalm a chance because there are other people on the internet who are extremely abrasive yet still have interesting things to say when you look past that, but I realised pretty quickly that that's not the case with Icycalm at all and the few interesting things he does say are more from throwing enough shit at a board than any particular insight. Beyond that I would seriously think he was a parody if I didn't know better.
 
I don't see nothing wrong with misinterpreting history and philosophy as long as the person is open for a discussion and brings some interesting arguments. Both sides can learn something in the end. Using controversy is way to trigger discussions and forces people to rethink and strength their values in life.

You know.. the way you connect your thoughts from a base structure is pretty important.. otherwise you can say pretty much anything and all conversation is meaningless. One can then just justify any of his/her words and reinterpret his or her own meanings at will.

That makes no sense.
 
So what happens when his game is worse than the ones created by the developers he smashes? This game will never exist--no game of any scale or ambition will ever exist from this guy. He seems smart enough to know that he's setup expectations he's not capable enough to reach, and his ego is paramount and can't suffer that kind of blow.
 

Mman235

Member
So what happens when his game is worse than the ones created by the developers he smashes? This game will never exist--no game of any scale or ambition will ever exist from this guy. He seems smart enough to know that he's setup expectations he's not capable enough to reach, and his ego is paramount and can't suffer that kind of blow.

Subhumans who think it's bad obviously just don't comprehend his timeless magnum opus.
 

Patryn

Member
I'm kind of relieved I had never heard of this guy before. He seems like a total kook, with serious homophobic and misogynistic issues.

Game also seems like a total scam.
 
Ok, this brings me into a position I actually didn't wanted to be but I try to explain.

The guy that openly dismisses women as human beings and is not the guy that does it surreptitious. The first one can be fought easily (with arguments, public demonstrations etc) but the other one will simply just make sure that a women will never make a successful career (as example).

Forbidding sexualiziation in video games is like forbidding anal sex in porn. It's just the wrong place. Females have much more tougher and more important wars to win. And female gamers must accept that there is a target demographic that publishers trying to please. As a male I can enjoy watching shows like "Sex and the City" but I don't start to complain how this show is depicting males as full blown idiots because I know that I am not the target audience for this show.


You know.. the way you connect your thoughts from a base structure is pretty important.. otherwise you can say pretty much anything and all conversation is meaningless. One can then just justify any of his/her words and reinterpret his or her own meanings at will.

That makes no sense.

This is a complicated subject and if you want to go the route of the phenomenology than I recommend you reading the Theory of Communicative Action. I understand what you mean but I believe that all people can reflect on themselves and their thinking. It is a very important part of what makes us a human and communication is a way to adjust ourselves with the society and our inner beings. :)

His arguments are obfuscated in some parts drivel and other parts rambling on. Nothing immediately stands out as compelling. I'm not saying it needs to be, mind, but it's hard to take seriously.

Sadly, I agree and I wish he would stop with the racism etc. because there IS interesting stuff behind this wall of harshness.
 
This is a complicated subject and if you want to go the route of the phenomenology than I recommend you reading the Theory of Communicative Action. I understand what you mean but I believe that all people can reflect on themselves and their thinking. It is a very important part of what makes us a human and communication is a way to adjust ourselves with the society and our inner beings. :)
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I have only read Faktizität und Geltung and never Theorie des kommunikativen Handelns (what you linked). But still, Faktizität uses the communicative discourive theorie as his base for reconstruction the state: so I got a good reading of what he sees as discourse. I get what are trying to maybe say... but.. really... you cannot just go around basing your self in some philosophy or historical interpretation... then misreading it... then constantly basing and changing your conclusions to fit your aims.

Icycalm does that all the time in his texts. They are attrocious to read analytically.
 

rovan

Banned
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
-Mark Twain

@Dictator93 If you point out some of those flaws in Icycalm's posts, and they are intelligent, he might respond to them. So do it, and I'll PM you his response if he gets around to it. If you don't, then ultimately youre just one of those dudes with is head in the sand screaming "IM NOT LISTENING, IM NOT LISTENING!" Even if you can namedrop some German books.
 

Occam

Member
Just gonna post this here:



Source: http://icycalmisacriminal.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/icycalm-is-a-criminal/

I know GAF love pretentious pseudo-intellectual people. But I'm not sure if I would trust this guy with my money. Try googling his name a bit before you invest.

What the actual fuck. I missed this post when first clicking this thread. I knew he was mental before, but him being a wanted criminal is on a whole new level. I think this topic should be locked, both to protect our sanity and the wallets of the weak-minded. He should not get any more free advertising/attention.
 
I get what are trying to maybe say... but.. really... you cannot just go around basing your self in some philosophy or historical interpretation... then misreading it... then constantly basing and changing your conclusions to fit your aims.

Icycalm does that all the time in his texts. They are attrocious to read analytically.

I think his main fault was the mixing of his philosophical ideas with his video game articles. He realized it as some point and created a separate site for them. But this doesn't dismiss his great RPG or Arcade Culture articles. There are few sites that have an equal value for the gaming community like gamengai, HG101 or Postback.


What the actual fuck. I missed this post when first clicking this thread. I knew he was mental before, but him being a wanted criminal is on a whole new level. I think this topic should be locked, both to protect our sanity and the wallets of the weak-minded. He should not get any more free advertising/attention.

Please, no lock, please. I can add the information to the OP if that makes you feel more comfortable.
 
Sure, if this game is as ambitious and extreme as his videogame theory I'd love to play this game someday.

His videogame theory is very forward-thinking and broadened my understanding of them. It was in his writing that I first encountered the idea that all videogames are simulation-- virtual microcosms based on our mathematical understanding and observation of our world-- and that their primary purpose is not necessarily fun or challenge but immersion, which can happen any number of ways. Like any other art, videogames are abstractions of reality. Sounds like a versatile theory to me.

He's the guy on a crusade to tear down the wall between mechanics and aesthetics; "gameplay," story and graphics-- there's no real barrier between them. Even cutscenes and QTEs, the long-standing whipping boy of videogames, are not something to be vilified by their nature. Story or loss of interactivity does not necessarily detract from the experience. Graphics are inseparable from the mechanics they simulate. He theories in practice give every game the benefit of the doubt.

I don't know why some people think his ideas about videogames are narrow. They strike me as very open minded and are valuable to grasp if you like to think about the nature of videogames. His ideas about what makes a game art are liberating and practical; not entrenched in hidden meaning, budget, theme or artists' identities/authority.

Whether or not you disagree with these ideas, you'll have at least stretched your thinking and left your comfort zone to get where he's coming from. As with all extreme ideas, they take a great deal of empathy to comprehend. Consequently, his ideas are hard to take out of context.

It would be great if he could help develop a game that represents his fundamental ideas about games, and it doesn't surprise me that he lists Far Cry 2 and Deus Ex as influences.
 

Occam

Member
Please, no lock, please. I can add the information to the OP if that makes you feel more comfortable.

That's for the mods to decide, of course, but this topic is like advertising something that will almost certainly turn out to be a scam (or at least fail to produce any of the promised results, meaning people will have given him money for nothing; same result).
 
The more times I try to read through his pitch the crazier it seems. It's more like an angry rant on contemporary video games with some pseudo-intellectualism sprinkled throughout.

That's for the mods to decide, of course, but this topic is like advertising something that will almost certainly turn out to be a scam (or at least fail to produce any of the promised results, meaning people will have given him money for nothing; same result).

I thought the point of this topic was to point and laugh? With a pitch like that he'd be lucky to get a few first year game design students on board.
 
@Dictator93 If you point out some of those flaws in Icycalm's posts, and they are intelligent, he might respond to them. So do it, and I'll PM you his response if he gets around to it. If you don't, then ultimately youre just one of those dudes with is head in the sand screaming "IM NOT LISTENING, IM NOT LISTENING!" Even if you can namedrop some German books.

I am actually off to bed (4 AM here), but before even looking directly at a specific text and picking it apart I would state rather firmly and with great confidence that his reading of Nietzsche is really flawed and overly literal.

There is a large ironic and more civilizational critique in his texts that is often ignored for people. A lot of people just read the words and dicothomies presented in the whole Untermensch/Übermensch bad christianity stuff and then think, "Wow Nietzsche is totally pointing out some sort of natural thing, all of everything before is meaningless, the only reality is power, blah blah blah."

Nietzsche is responding in a sarcastic yet desparately saddened way to the death of morality, the failings of German Ideology, and the shift in europe to a spiraling Nihilsm. He is trying to think up ways against it whilst describing how it came to to this situation... reading it as some social darwinan piece (which is what Icey does) completely betrays the value of what Nietzsche wrote (and also what he wrote).

That same style of reading was done by the likes of Ayn Rand, that asshole who founded Satanism, and fucking Hitler.

Really, he should look at the way other authors read Nietzsche. Starting with Martin Heidegger's seminal work on him.
 

Kade

Member
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Oh god, rovan got banned. Now I'm seriously scared for my account.

You should be fine. I think rovan's most recent and final post (in the 'Is Halo dying?' thread) is what led to the banning but its hard to tell. He's said some things in this thread, some edited out.

edit: I wonder if this thread will show up in the thread on his site where he posts the results of his egosurfing.
 
Umm oooooook this is not what I was expecting! Sounds like a weirdo and maybe a criminal?

There IS a cult around Icy. Most of them are gathering together on the "Learn to Counter" forum. A community of people that Icy banned from his forum. He hates them but they can't stop worshiping him. Yeah, it's kinda weird.
 
Edit: I would go so far to suggest that having hot people in games is actually better for society. If it pressures people into making themselves hotter (and therefore more confident and happy) then thats great. If it makes a fat girl feel bad because she's fat... no problem there. She should lose weight.

Woooowww
 

shaowebb

Member
So this guy's design document is "like Far Cry 2 & Deus Ex but BETTER!" and he thinks cramming a ton of bodies at it will make it happen for him?

That is not how it works. Not even close.

First off there are the basics to take care of like movement speed, gun range, attack power vs enemy health, and ratio of Ammo to enemy to size of the area you are in. That doesn't however factor in things like the 360 degree layout of levels leading to awkward "find the assailant enemies on platforms above you " confusion if you do something awkward like have the player able to access a path that accidently ended up with a blind spot at ground level that leaves him open to enemy line of sight should they be above him. Factor in walkspeed vs level sizes and you have to get interesting with the areas and how vertical you build them for the player to explore.

Plus you know thats like the first 2 minutes of gameplay alone. High level design for strategic architecture designed to entice the player into areas with better views just to lead them into amazing visuals and camera setups for the action is also a thing alongside of figuring out just where to spawn enemies so that they can appear without being seen from whatever areas the player may choose to stand, but so that they don't also feel cheap when they do appear. In other words, you cant just have dudes preloaded and you cant take the easy route of using hallway funnels to force the player not to see where the enemies actually spawn from. It takes a LOT of design and you have a lot of game to design so you can't get redundant...folks notice fast.

But you know...just saying Far Cry 2 and Deus Ex ONLY BETTER is something us pseudo intellectual folks dont really fully comprehend I guess.

Go to school Icycalm. Get an education and do it yourself. Trying to amass an army wont suddenly fart out good game design. Especially in that genre. You need strategic design and throwing a lot of people at a single project and only listening to your own ambition isn't the same as having clear cut strategy towards designing a game's contents.

Idea guys who can't perform who just try to make a project BIG so that its something special really bug me. Its a case of ego above common sense when folks do that. They just want to be a part of something special and think if they dream big and make a big team then it will become big. It takes work AND skill. Lots of it...and the kind he wont have just shouting at folks on a blog all day.


Oh and add his criminal record to the OP. Dude is guilty of stealing $165,000 and fled the US to avoid prosecution.

http://icycalmisacriminal.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/icycalm-is-a-criminal/
 
Seth Killian was involved with this dude's website? Yikes.
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This surfer guy can't design games or wants to, but needs everybody else to do it for him? Oh and to make it better than Far Cry 2 and Deus Ex combined.
another icycalm quote, when asked by rohrer why he doesn't make games himself if he cares so much about game design:
http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=16752.0
But to answer his question: I find game design boring. Playing games is more fun than making them: and this is no mere opinion, but a philosophical truth of the first rank -- as I will one day get around to explaining. An intelligent Insomnia reader should have already figured out the reason anyway. I've pretty much already given it away.

The only way game design could be redeemed is if one saw it AS A GAME. As a creative activity, demanding skill and effort, etc. Seen in that light, though still inferior to other forms of game-playing, it can be redeemed. But I ALREADY AM engaged in a creative activity that demands skill and effort: and indeed the most demanding such activity that a human being can engage in. So I am all sorted out in that respect. What I look for in videogames, then, is to enhance the enjoyment of myself on my downtimes: to brighten up an evening, for example, after a hard day's surfing. Or thinking and writing. Or travelling and reading. Etc. etc. Which by the way is the only healthy way to engage in videogames, or any other artform for that matter. Not looking for "meaning" in them, but for enhancing the enjoyment of your downtimes, your rest periods from the serious business of life: which is war.

He should put up a Kickstarter like that one with the awful manbearpig like drawings (anyone remember it? there was a thread here) so we can have a good time mocking that he only gets $50 from it all.
 
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