No she did not make a point. The guy asked lquestions because he did not understand where she was coming from and to shut him up without any argumentation she used this stupid phrase. It was not to make a point but to silence him
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Female Police Captian Suspended after "White Male Privilege" remark
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No she did not make a point. The guy asked lquestions because he did not understand where she was coming from and to shut him up without any argumentation she used this stupid phrase. It was not to make a point but to silence him
sans_pants
avec_pénis
Itt a white person named zog gets offended by real talk
Zog
Banned
Not just a person, a white person.
If you want to look more ridiculous you should have gone with the full. "straight white male" combo.
sans_pants
avec_pénis
T.v
Member
Neither of them come across in a good light here. Him for ignoring statistics in the most boneheaded way, and acting like a child afterwards. Her for trying to shut down the conversation that way. His "white male privile" wasn't even the problem here. There is a definite issue with white male privilege. It's not racist nor sexist to point that out, but too often is it used to shut down any conversation. Completely unneccesary to suspend her though.
RastaMentality
Banned
CampbellzSoup
Member
With racism and sexism?
BANGS
Banned
It's a joke account, don't try to reason with it...
DirgeExtinction
Member
How is "white male privilege" in any way shape or form racist/sexist? Lmao
Was the guy not white and male?
Was the guy not white and male?
Stormblessed
Member
This is a fairly normal response to an accusation of discrimination in the workplace. She'll be suspended (with pay, I expect) pending an investigation into the alleged behaviour. Either the complaint will be upheld or it won't. The fact she is suspended is not itself a judgement, which seems to be the bit people struggle with.
With respect to the clip itself, what she gave was a bad answer to a question she should have anticipated. It will likely go viral in all the wrong ways, and no one will learn anything.
With respect to the clip itself, what she gave was a bad answer to a question she should have anticipated. It will likely go viral in all the wrong ways, and no one will learn anything.
SwitchedOff
Banned
Good. It's a lazy argument made by lazy people too feebleminded to form an actual thought.
Nester99
Member
How would you describe dismissing a person opinion purely based on their race and gender?
Vigilant Walrus
Member
How is it not? Down the checklist, generalizing, stereotyping deducing a person on an imaginary scoreboard of suffering. It's pretty racist. Intellectually lazy and ignorant as fuck.
The dominating demographic in most countries all over the world, are privileged over minorities. Because those who have the power are usually carried by a majority of their own kind who identify with them. And in that way, you see minorities being second class citizens regardless of where you go. That aspect of socio-power dynamics are not due to the melanin in the skin.
So "white privilege" completely misses the point, and just seems petty and laughable to actually argue that a homeless white man should think about how privileged he is compared to a homeless black man. It's beyond splitting hairs in a contest of who has the worst life, ignoring all the other factors that cause people misery. It's so fucking stupid and childish.
Zog
Banned
<Raises hand in air while jumping in seat> Pick me! Pick me!
Answer: Racist and Sexist.
MEsoJD
Banned
You seem to miss the point. Everyone doesn't start at the same position within society. Everyone just can't work hard and expect to receive the same reward. Your race, people you know, family, city, etc... all can have a profound impact on treatment and reward from others. So if you are White, you are in better position in terms of acquiring a job, better treatment from the law, and etc by perception.
Yes, there are other factors attributed to success and misery, but race unfortunately is still a big one that can't be ignored.
Krappadizzle
Gold Member
Statistically, in the given context, being white is a privilege, while being male is the exact opposite (with two times stronger effect).
As far as incarceration goes, "privileges" (systemic bias against or in favor) look like this:
white women > black women > white men > black men
(Hispanic are above black but below whites, I think it's irrelevant in this thread)
This alone does not, of course, give us exact picture (things such as "is it first time" etc need to be taken into account) but from what I recall, white <> black gap is 20% in white favor, while male <> female (across all races) is at about 40%+. Interested could dig here.
Would you look up violent crime rates too?
Zog
Banned
Treating people differently based on their skin color is racism.You don't do that do you? You don't assume that a white man is automatically privileged and should be treated differently do you?
sans_pants
avec_pénis
what the fuck are you talking about?
RastaMentality
Banned
"youre white and male and your personal perspective has blind spots"
what a nightmare
AcademicSaucer
Member
Can you explain that in more detail please, I genuinely don't understand your point.
It said in the report that he said people he knew (his wife) didn't experience violence, suggesting that the report of transgenders are being victims of more violence, not being a real thing.
llien
Member
In my humble opinion, context matters a lot. If you speak about entire groups, stating generalizations based on statistical facts is OK, that's what such stats inherently are.
Applying "you belong to group A, hence you are" against particular individual is not.
You can't wrong individual for having certain skin color, even if it is white.
It is so strikingly similar to "class guilt" concept in early USSR times, it hurts.
That is not the problem.
You are holding some sort of presntation to make people aware and when people do not understand and asking something you not only trying to silence them with this supid phrase you also try to make them the cause of the current situation.
It is not a nightmare but utterly stupid to do this. You maybe can do this in your social studies classes but the real world is a different kind of place and many students will experience this and hopefully they will become more aware of reality.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
I'm not questioning any of those things. I'm saying it's fucking stupid to build a narrative like this that only works in the context of power structures in western socities, when the exact same shit is going on else where. It fucking sucks being a minority in China, or Turkey, or Kenya, or Myanmar.
I'm not driving a fucking boot straps argument nor am I trying to wash away that it sucks being a minority in the western world. But as a term, white privilege is an idea that it's race that matters, when thats not true. It's not the race that matters, because the root causes of discrimination echoes the same, regardless if it's discrimination over race, or religion, or political belief or sexual orientation.
It's the same construct that plays the predominately majority led powerful groups of people in non-white societies to do the exact same thing. I'm not saying that white people are "off the hook because people are shitty elsewhere, but I am saying that it's a racist statement that ignores the deeper sociological factors about how less popular groups are suppressed- Regardless of where they are.
So when you see someone babble about white privilege it sounds uneducated as fuck, as well as someone who is ignorant about the world at large.
T.v
Member
I agree that it is wrong to wrong an individual based on the colour of their skin. Even if it's white. And making broad judgements in that way. But acknowledging white privilege is not necessarily that. It's OK to realize the position you are in, and accept that it might deprive you of context, so you can broaden your vision. Holding this privilege against someone, however, is a problem. That's when it starts to devolve into racism and sexism. That's what the woman in this case did, and what people so often do by dismissing others by throwing around the term "white male privilege".
Winters_Solace
Member
Good. Fuck her. Keep that shit on the Internet.
What a weird question he asked though
What a weird question he asked though
Persecution complex.
Belittling and attacking people is bad, but acknowledging white male privilege (which is a sociological thing that is real) is important and true.
Dismissing a statistic because shitty, individual anecdotes seemingly contradict it is also bad and ignorant as a police officer.
But the alt-right fans hiding in the depths have come out now that people with educated thoughts like stump have left.
SyenceLabb
Member
In a weird way, pushing and perpetuating the idea of white privilege is straight out of the white supremacists playbook. I mean, the Neo-Nazis argument is pretty much, Im white, therefore Im privileged. And I want more whites to acknowledge this privilege as well. Only distinction I can find is that the Neo-Nazi lacks the guilt.
Silencing someone based on an immutable characteristic such as race is, by definition, racist. Its an ad hominem argument and incredibly condescending to the very people youre supposedly defending. No amount of rhetorical sleight of hand will change that.
Silencing someone based on an immutable characteristic such as race is, by definition, racist. Its an ad hominem argument and incredibly condescending to the very people youre supposedly defending. No amount of rhetorical sleight of hand will change that.
themagicalkitsune
Member
Those poor white people. :/
I also see this 'soy boy' term is catching on with the completely not-racist new posters.
Absolutely inappropriate to say this in a professional forum. Internet terminology has consequences in "the real world". If I was in a meeting with my bosses and someone used this term to belittle another I would expect some disciplinary action as well. Not termination, but certainly some retraining. Is this on the same level as someone saying "yeah, fuck those n*****s!", totally not (that would be an on the spot termination in my book) but it still isn't ok.
Zog
Banned
Do you think that her strongly believing that white heterosexual males have privilege can affect her ability to treat white heterosexual males fairly as a police captain?
Dude Abides
Banned
Soy boy has replaced cuck as the go to insult for forever-virgin morons.
Mother Green
Member
Turns out, Zog is the guy from the video.
Zog
Banned
There is really no need to lie. Also, since I know you don't like the guy in the video it's obvious you meant that as a personal attack, no need for that either.
Vicetrailia
Member
Soy boy is indeed an alt-right term used by idiots for idiots aka FIBI.
White privilege is not just some internet term, it's a sociological concept.
And her response was a reaction to some police officer saying he doesn't agree with a statistic just because he hasn't experienced it himself.
Her reaction was a stupid atempt to shut him down without any argumentation. Like she really thought this kind of thing will work in real life.
InterMusketeer
Member
She should've just told him he's a dumbass. His race and sex don't have anything to do with it.
Autoignition
Member
The white male fragility in this thread is delicious.
Dude Abides
Banned
His comment was I dont believe you about police violence against transgender people because that didnt happen to my wife. It was completely asinine.
Funny that people get off on that, what a gross comment. Delicious?? Wow.
Autoignition
Member
If your knee-jerk reaction to being told that you have an advantage in life that others don't have is to become extremely defensive and lash out against people who are regularly left in the dust and more often than not actively hurt thanks to your privileged position, I have every right to sip some motherfuckin tea.
Stay fragile, my friend.
I'm not fragile in the least sorry to burst your little bubble. And delicious, do you seriously talk like that in real life?
And MY privileged position? Do you know me or anything about me? Sorry but I had to bust my ass for everything I've ever earned.