Just watched the Gamespot video. It's all offscreen so it's probably hiding some imperfections and downgrades, but man this looks pretty much exactly like I remember on PS4, right down to the sparks, bloodstains, shiny floors, solid materials, DOF and motion blur. Most important is they preserved the glowing lights and deep dark shadows that are so important to this game's look. I think I saw some brief frame drops on the Martian surface, but other than that and 30fps, this looks borderline uncanny in its similarity. Great stuff!
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DigitalFoundry analysis of DOOM for Nintendo Switch
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And single player games in 30 fps are perfectly fine.
Monkeyball
Banned
When the Youtube comments are positive, you know you're doing something right.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Is the multiplayer 30fps?
Nobody cares about DOOM's multiplayer.
DOOM's multiplayer is actually a lot of fun, but yeah, it's definitely not the main attraction.
Herb Alpert
Banned
Definitely
Head.spawn
Junior Member
So because you don't care, pretend it doesn't exist?
It's not my opinion.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Well thanks for someone elses opinion then... doesn't really answer either question.
At least because everyone who's primarily interested in DOOM multiplayer, will play it on PC. I'm quite sure that there isn't a single person out there who's gonna buy DOOM for the Switch to exclusively play it online.
It's actually a statement of fact.
MrCunningham
Member
Really depends on how well online works for the Switch. The Switch doesn't really have many options for competitive online FPS's and Doom would be a nice addition in that sense.Multiplayer Doom on a handheld might be pretty cool if it is done right. Even just single player death match with bots could be a fun time waster.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Cool, I'll keep that in mind, but It has nothing to do with either question I asked though.
Kaffeemann
Banned
Why don't you stop lying?
Most players don't care about the multiplayer but there are those who do.
I've finished it on PS4 but will primarily be buying it for online on the go / when i'm working away from home?
A lot of people don't play FPS games on PC(mouse/keyboard control), and Doom is pretty much the highest profile FPS with multiplayer on the Switch right now. Don't know, feels like it would have had some potential if it wasn't an optional download!
Head.spawn
Junior Member
The resolution in handheld mode isn't that much of a factor considering the devices display resolution. Also, if they're using that magic sauce TSSAA and some sharpening that part won't be too bad considering.
The people whining about 60fps in here are out of control! Not sure what some of you expected from this hardware...
Obviously if you don't want it, don't buy it, but you can't squeeze blood from a stone.
Do we know anything about how it runs in docked vs. handheld?
edit: I saw the hypothesizing about it having increased docked performance in the DF video, but wasn't sure if anything concrete came to light since that...
Obviously if you don't want it, don't buy it, but you can't squeeze blood from a stone.
Do we know anything about how it runs in docked vs. handheld?
edit: I saw the hypothesizing about it having increased docked performance in the DF video, but wasn't sure if anything concrete came to light since that...
All true obviously - thanks for the research! -, and what I'm about to say is only speculation, but, like everything else, 60 fps requires trade-offs on a less powerful system. That's fine, it's not a big deal if the game looks uglier as a result. But from your quotes, Carmack's philosophy doesn't seem to be "60 fps at all costs" so much as "gameplay at all costs". 60 fps should absolutely be the goal... so long as it doesn't start affecting gameplay. Given how blurry the game already looks on Switch, you have to wonder how much legibility the game would lose if the graphics were brought down even more to achieve 60 fps.
I just watched Easy Allies's impressions yesterday, and they said that, on the tiny screen on the Switch and the low res/blurry IQ, things were sometimes hard to see in the distance. No doubt that would be even worse if the game was 60 fps. Maybe the devs thought this was the one case were going for 60 fps would actually be more of a detriment to gameplay than just reducing graphical quality. It's all about balance in the end, isn't it?
Then again, I'm not in the know. Maybe 60 fps would have been possible with a few morre cutbacks without making the game any harder to see. Who knows. But if it wasn't possible, then I fully understand why, just this once, they went for 30 fps instead.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
This thread reminds me of this, very nostalgic.
Dictator93
Member
I do not think it is exactly conjecture on DFs part to assume the game is CPU linuted. Seems luke a pretty safe assumption given the numbers and scaling we see on other platforms.
Sygma
Member
Probably because of the Id Tech 6 running on a fucking tablet
Do you guys know that the 1990's doom had to be ported on a xbox 360 / ps3 to finally be a good port ? perspectives, perspectives
are you not?
MrCunningham
Member
Well, the Jaguar Quad core CPU in Leadbetter's PC build that is being used to approximate the Switch is different architecture from the A57 quad core in the Switch. Yeah, the A57 is a little more powerful per core than the Jaguar CPU, but the Jaguar CPU is clocked higher, so it becomes kind of a wash. Doom would hit limitations on both CPU's regardless. His PC approximation does use Vulkan to get it as close as possible to what you would see on the Switch, but the real difference will be the all the custom detail settings in the Switch game.
Also the example PC he made is actually much closer to the Switch in docked mode. All we have seen of the Switch version has been in handheld mode.
He is.
There were two completely different conversations happening; one before we had actual footage and one after.
Oh nvm then, that's alright then
GenericUser
Member
If you have other platforms that can run the game in 60fps, I'd say play it there. If you are switch only and/or the portability factor is important for you, I guess the switch version is still serviceable.
30fps is a bummer but then again, Doom is mainly a SP game, so I personally think it's not THAT big of a deal.
30fps is a bummer but then again, Doom is mainly a SP game, so I personally think it's not THAT big of a deal.
That's been the consensus on DOOM's MP since launch, pretty much.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Get a PC
peanutbutterlatte
Member
"I don't use my Switch in portable mode"
Okay... lots of us do. That's half the appeal. Just because you don't doesn't mean this isn't an appealing port.
Okay... lots of us do. That's half the appeal. Just because you don't doesn't mean this isn't an appealing port.
Kaleinc
Banned
Bit late to the party but
Did people really think it'd be above that?
This. Also limiting affinity with task manager after the game has been launched (and it has created workers & probably done affinity settings too for four cores in startup) can cause nasty performance problems & overhead.
TheMagician
Member
Are you not buying any games at all then, since it's technically the best looking game on the Switch?
Minsc
Gold Member
It was only Rage in name, the game itself is a light gun / rail shooter. Really nothing in common with the console / PC version, nor is 60fps gaming on the iPhone all that unusual. I'm sure if they did the same thing with the Switch (completely gutted the game to be a rail shooter with tiny tiny levels the size of a few rooms), people would be laughing even more.
TheMagician
Member
I've seen some of the same people in past threads saying they have no interest in Switch...
Still blows my mind how good it looks. When I eventually get a switch I'll probably double dip just so I can play Doom on my lunch break.
Like, I have it on PC and to think I could have portable Doom, even at 30fps, is just insanity. Honestly I think it'll be more difficult to adjust to dual sticks rather than mouse controls than 30fps rather than 60.,
Like, I have it on PC and to think I could have portable Doom, even at 30fps, is just insanity. Honestly I think it'll be more difficult to adjust to dual sticks rather than mouse controls than 30fps rather than 60.,
Minsc
Gold Member
If you put it on a laptop you can have portable Doom at 120fps, and ultra settings to boot.
TheMoon
Member
(I don't include myself in these dozens.)
best use of the Fünke gif in some time.
the game was ONLY playable/shown/available in handheld mode.