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Avalanche (Just Cause) - Wii U dev kits collecting dust, Nintendo is hard to reach
- Thread starter Flightmare
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Did you read the OP?
It's tragicomic seeing the state and the attitude towards the Wii U in the gaming industry.
I do find it more funny however, that some people are completely oblivious to it. Like Nintendo aren't to blame, everyone else are wrong and stupid, in a few months this killer title will be released and suddenly it will be worthy of the Wii name! Every piece of bad news must be a troll or a blatant attack on the great Wii U.
I do find it more funny however, that some people are completely oblivious to it. Like Nintendo aren't to blame, everyone else are wrong and stupid, in a few months this killer title will be released and suddenly it will be worthy of the Wii name! Every piece of bad news must be a troll or a blatant attack on the great Wii U.
because they don't think that it's worth.
and considering how the wii u is struggling, they probably would appreciate some sort of Nintendo commitment (found) to work on it (otherwise don't make sense the part of "hard to reach")
Bony Manifesto
Member
I think it's all relative. It wasn't that long ago that Nintendo wouldn't have pissed on an indie developer if they were on fire, and it's literally only in the last year or so that they've expressed an interest in having garage developers making stuff for their hardware.
It will be almost just as bad in a few months than it is right now, only with a few more announced Nintendo titles. Yay. But, keep dreaming if you like it.
metalslimer
Member
lol
Actually it will be worse when E3 rolls around and we see just how bad Wii U's 3rd party support is.
A valid question.
As with all huge companies, they calculate their success or failure on the basis of bottom dollar. Considering WiiU is relatively cheap to manufacture for them, the peripherals are mass produced at an internal price of below $4 or something, they will not react.
But the gamers are getting irritated and downright angry, because WiiU's system seller games are nowhere to be seen. Well, we've seen promises and amazing trailers for them, but by the time they will actually be released, the 8th generation steamroller will have moved over them twice.
I still hope that the X mecha-RPG will eventually be released. But my hope is waning on daily basis.
Visualante2
Member
What's the best WiiU could have hoped for anyway? A port of Renegade Ops with some Nintendo character cameos? Real shame if they are working on a new Just Cause or something of that ilk.
Things will soon turn around once the new Mario 3D game arrives; the Wii U can still be a big success for Nintendo. It will be around for years to come.
SolidSnakex
Member
If a developer has never made a game for your console then shouldn't you be trying to get them on board? Sony didn't give up on trying to give Valve on board for the PS3, even after Gabe ripped the console apart, and eventually they managed to convince them to support it.
KillerTravis
Banned
Yes? So they are waiting for a larger install base? Then what's the point of getting a dev kit so early if they didn't plan to make anything with it until there was a bigger installbase?
dragonfart28
Banned
Who's Avalanche again?
One year headstart? If Nintendo drops the ball on the third party support SO hard, its more like they got 7 years too late to the last gen party.
Just Cause and Renegade Ops.
I care! Just Cause is great! Really wish they made Just Cause 3 for the wiiU
JC2 was one of the only games i enjoy on the Ps3.
Even so, ill keep Wiiu/3ds only, thank you. Dont see the point of buying a PS4 just to play just cause 3
That decision would be made at a Square Enix/Eidos level for a new Just Cause (or Sega for Renegade Ops)... it wouldn't be Avalanche's decision as to whether they'd port that to the Wii U or not.
metalslimer
Member
Yes the new 3D Mario game will solve every one of their problems.
Just Cause developer.
Dead Prince
Banned
meh. all that does it spread the dust around.
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
I was coming to post just this... They aren't a publisher. They'll do whatever the publisher says.
outunderthestars
Banned
How would you define "big success"?
I think they will easily sell the system to existing Nintendo fans with the Zelda, Mario, Mario kart, smash bros cycle, but I have yet to see anything that will push wii u sales to a wider audience.
Geographical location seems to matter a lot for Nintendo. You're an indie dev in America? You're in luck because Nintendo actually acknowledges you. Outside? Well you might be not so lucky.
News like this are always little weird because you hear mostly good stuff from the devs that actually are involved with the platform. Yet again they're biased in the matter and the ones with the negative attitude are the ones Nintendo should focus on convincing.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
If the Wii was hurting 3rd party relations, the Wii U is killing 3rd party relations. The Gamepad was a huge mistake in my opinion. The entire design philosophy of the system was centered around the Gamepad, and had a big impact on the power, performance, and ease of development, and thus affecting 3rd party interest. On the consumer side it has even confused people, thinking it is a Wii add on.
dragonfart28
Banned
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Err, you know that they're an independent developer right?
They might do what the publisher request if they want, but they're not necessarily beholden to them.
Avalanche Studios doesn't have one game under a Nintendo platform. Just saying. Yes, it'd be nice if something came from them, but it doesn't really bother me otherwise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalanche_Studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalanche_Studios
GhostTrick
Banned
Devkits collect dusts ? Then make games ? Install base is too small ? How big is PS4/Xbox 3 install base please ?
The majority of mainland Europe also gets a great deal of attention by Nintendo, but perhaps they don't really have a presence in the Nordics.
Did Avalanche studio ever worked on a Nintendo console ??
Not avery surprising declaration, but still saddening :/
Auto_aim1
MeisaMcCaffrey
They are a privately owned studio. It's their decision whether to make a game for it or not and pitch publishers if they choose to do so.
It's their fault if the dev kits are collecting dust. Maybe if they used them and had plans for the Wii U, they wouldn't be. Don't pin it on Nintendo. So many developers are saying Nintendo isn't hard to reach anymore, and why should they COPY Sony?
Here's a novel concept. If you have plans for a console, then the dev kit won't collect dust
metalslimer
Member
I honestly don't even know why they're bothering to make it seem like there was even a chance. In all likelihood, Wii U is nowhere near powerful enough to run Just Cause 3.
Indie developers seem to have an easier time, but who else has said that Nintendo is easier to reach?
Indie developers seem to have an easier time, but who else has said that Nintendo is easier to reach?
I guess majority is the keyword here. One would think that they wouldn't have the luxury of ruling an area out. Nordic countries have lots of talented devs and succesful IP's.
I guess they're looking at world from where they are. Sony has extremely good market share in the Nordic countries. Logically they also have a large presence in there. Nintendo just doesn't really care and isn't doing anything to improve it.
Flightmare
Member
Updated the op with a google translation of the article:
Dictator93
Member
I was trying to come up with some contrived excuse which makes Nintendo look really good and Avalanche as incompetent (because the casual internet forum goer know more about hardware then engine developers!). Thanks for the hard work!
Then Just Cause 3 is announced for PS360.
dragonfart28
Banned
Why on earth would they buy a dev kit without knowing if they would develop for the system?
That's pretty dumb.
That's pretty dumb.
Sutton Dagger
Member
At this point it's looking like the Wii U will be the first console I haven't owned since the Nes.
Flightmare
Member
Nintendo probably sent dev kits to a lot of devs
electroplankton
Banned
Install bases are always zero before new platforms are released.
Here, Nintendo is simply failing in attracting new developers. I'm not sure whether you will see studios like this one not developing on PS4 or Nextbox when their install base will be a few millions after the launch.