Which is why I said referenced.CHEEZ was being facetious, y'know.
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CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
He's like a Furry Dan Savage.
*raises hand*
Really, any discussion as to what makes someone a furry is going to be mired in an awful lot of No True Scotsman, mostly because each group kinda has valid claim. I mean, I'm not a furry for the sexual elements (though I've had more luck finding worthwhile people on Pounced than OKCupid, so there is that) but I won't pretend for a moment I don't know where Cheezmo and Lucario got their avatars.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Come again?
I don't like the idea of people with animal traits specifically
But i do believe it can add to characterization (also I like my gaf gimmick)
It can also be generic as hell, like what anime does with sticking cat ears on everything.
I think my viewpoint is being misconstrued a bit, so allow me to clarify:
I believe it's possible for someone to identify as "furry" without any sexual implications whatsoever; I just think it's extremely rare, and often a much older crowd than I would be likely to associate with. There's also the "spirit animal" category, who are, for lack of a better term, batshit insane.
If you are in the fandom to enjoy the animation and clean drawings of anthropomorphic animals, neat! I hope you enjoy yourself. I'm just tired of the stereotypical persecution complex furry who argues tooth and nail that the "average furry" does not find any sexual attraction to the art, all while maintaining a 4GB yiff folder on their computer.
In the end, it's all about identifying the word "furry". I personally believe it applies to those active in the fandom, which, as you likely know, is mainly focused on pornographic websites. Some define it as anyone interested in anthropomorphic animation, which would make the "average furry is not interested in anything sexual" statement true.
(In the end, yes, you're right, I took my argument too far. I guess I'm bitter today.)
(Why are all of my long, argumentative posts in the furry thread?)
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
You're not wrong.
Also
OMFGGGGG *dies*
Now that I think about it: not really, no.
I don't think it's as rare as you might think. After all anthropomorphism has existed long before people organised themselves on the internet. There wouldn't nearly be enough young fiction using animal characters if it was that rare. Besides, I've seen enough people being introduced to the furry subculture through stuff like that and cartoons who just think animal headed people are funny and don't like the porn. These are people roughly my age. There are packs (oh ho ho) of teenage girls on Deviant Art with sparkledogs, canine characters with silly amounts of colour. So it's not as rare as you think, and a lot would call themselves furry.
Lucario said:
Maybe. It just seems there so many shades and preferences that identifying or classifying what is or isn't furry doesn't work.
Analon said:
Another awesome character by Analon who drew the newt girl I posted a while back. He does awesome stuff. And no fur! 'Cos fuck the police!
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Short remark on this part. Part of the issue is that it's disingenuous to try and separate people from all aspects of "sexuality". In other words, human beings sexualize everything they touch, to some extent, no matter how minor. That's not "perverted". That's normal.
In sexually avoidant cultures - like much of the good old US of A - where sexuality is has many taboos hung on it, people often cling to the ideal that people and how they function can be entirely separated from the sexual (and the sensual).
What's pertinent here is, rather than say "almost nobody in furry fandom is in it for non-sexual reasons", it might be more accurate to say "almost nobody in furry fandom has an unusual and uncommon lack of sexuality".
The problem, and it's in part a result of our cultural framework, is that there is often no middle ground between "squeaky clean Leave It To Beaver cast member" and "sexual deviant with a bedroom full of whips and chains and live manslaves". You're either "clean" or "dirty". And we know what many or most people, afraid of the negative connotations society will project onto them, would rather be perceived as.
This problem really manifested itself among furries because people are already insecure as hell about sex, and normal human sexuality crossed with a subject perceived as having nothing to do with sexuality (cartoon animals? Like BUGS BUNNY? That's sick!) was a scary thing.
So you ended up with a lot of people jumping on the "don't look at me, I have no sexuality at all!" bandwagon. Eager to portray themselves as inhumanly unmoved by any erotic or even sensual display.
... which often ended up resulting in the stereotypical situation of "gay hating politician caught in road stop amid gay orgy". Squeaky clean furry has 20gb of porn on hard drive. Roll on snare drum.
Okay, it's not a short remark. I have a problem there.
you don't
Sexuality is omnipresent in the human experience, but it's not utterly domineering either. It's just one of the many things we do. Accordingly, any body of art is going to represent a spectrum, and people are going to have their own range of preferences with it.
Sometimes words get so semantically muddy it's not worth bothering anymore. For example, try nailing down the proper meaning of "cult".
Ok, this makes a lot of sense. I was confused for a moment because of what my post was trying to say.
Myke Greywolf
Ambassador of Goodwill
I don't even care any more. I like cute stuff. Some of it sexualized, yes. Haters gonna hate.
heh
apparently word got around that im some kind of pervert on gaf
IRC gossip i guess. Not that it matters.
Acerac
Banned
I went to a seminar given by Kathleen Gerbasi yesterday at UBCon. Pretty interesting stuff.
It's amazing how difficult it is to get research on the subject. It's amazing some of the hurdles that need to be overcome to get information, and how many limitations there are in place that prevent further research on the subject.
It's amazing how difficult it is to get research on the subject. It's amazing some of the hurdles that need to be overcome to get information, and how many limitations there are in place that prevent further research on the subject.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Now there's a name I do recall. I've heard it from both perspectives; how hard it is to do research, but how that fact can make the results of the research confusing.
For example, the controversy I heard about was how one of the Gerbasi furry surveys returned some high percentage of the fandom answering "yes" to a question like "do you believe you are not entirely human". Which resulted in all kinds of arguing from every quarter.
Problem was, due to the conventions of the subculture, it was strongly suspected that most of those who took the survey approached the question as "do you imagine yourself having something in common with an animal".
Social shorthand in the community treats a lot of "in character" concepts as literal. People talk about their idealized personas as themselves all the time, but relatively few are actually claiming they're (in some way) not human.
Furry subculture seems not to have as elegant of a framework for interfacing with the outside world as other groups do. This is often given away by fans who don't want any media attention; common sentiment is that literally nobody should ever talk to the media. Which is a tacit claim that there are no good furry ambassadors / no good way to explain the culture to outsiders.
How About No
Member
Well, that portrayal certainly makes those characters more pedo-rific than normal.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Wrong thread.
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EDIT
And you wonder why you have the tag you do.
I made you a superstar after you gave me this tag.
I am not Tsundere...or maybe I am. I don't know. All I know is I made you famous Hito.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Whats going on in this thread.
Does anyone know how long it takes for a username change?
Does anyone know how long it takes for a username change?
Ok, G-Fex, it's gone.
Now stay out of this thread and the pony threads.
You didn't have to...but thanks though.
Any chance you can lock the cosplay thread in gaming side, out of my bitterness?
Random post of random pics.
shizuworks said:
雲犬良 said:
荒巻鮭＠PFⅥ準備中 said:
mii said:
弥奈モス田@デザフェスF156 said:
弥奈モス田@デザフェスF156 said:
田代憂 said:
Card seems okay but a bit vulnerable to black and blue which can easily snipe the partner.I want this on a playmat so goddamn bad @_@
So gorgeous ~<3
Here, have the classic Magic Furry card
