Trogdor1123
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I've never understood this, surely there are some differences?
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AMD Radeon 500 series to launch early April, Radeon Vega in May
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Huh. I thought it did, wasn't there some thread about people talking about using 16bit formats in the PS4 Pro?
If it doesn't, I wonder what the point was of that thread.
Hesemonni
Banned
74MHz.
Locuza
Member
The PS4 Pro does support it, it has two features beyond the Polaris GPUs AMD released:
1. Packed FP16 (first chip from AMD, before Vega)
2. It has a more advanced work distributor in comparison to Polaris, the same might be used in Vega or be even better.
Source:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-inside-playstation-4-pro-how-sony-made-a-4k-games-machine
Delusibeta
Banned
To be honest, I'm surprised AMD they aren't planning a cut down version of the RX Vega to compete with the GTX 1070.
It also puts a very large question mark over what graphics chips Scorpio is going to be using, since the PS4 Pro used what was effectively an underclocked RX 480 (with admittedly some of the things Vega brings to the table added on). I can't see AMD allowing Microsoft use their flagship. Best case scenerio is that the RX 500 series will be Polaris derivatives based on the PS4 Pro chip, which in turn will be used in Scorpio.
It also puts a very large question mark over what graphics chips Scorpio is going to be using, since the PS4 Pro used what was effectively an underclocked RX 480 (with admittedly some of the things Vega brings to the table added on). I can't see AMD allowing Microsoft use their flagship. Best case scenerio is that the RX 500 series will be Polaris derivatives based on the PS4 Pro chip, which in turn will be used in Scorpio.
GinoFelino
Member
Soooooo......It's probably safe to go ahead and buy the 1080 Ti if you'd like to build asap?
Asking for a friend.
Asking for a friend.
Yeah. Vega is the only thing on the horizon from AMD that is even worth wondering about, and it ain't going to be here for a while.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
No because it's generally faster than a 1060 in recent games and offers unbeatable performance in DX12/Vulkan apis for the money.
When, where? Source?
dr_rus
Member
It's some wishful thinking on basis of Vega being promoted for Prey and Prey launching on 5th of May. Doesn't really mean much as they might just add, say, Vulkan renderer to Prey when Vega releases in June and promote that with Vega instead.
Well, 200->300 "rebranding" was rather good for them as they were able to claw back 10-15% of marketshare thanks to it. I don't think that NV will be as passive as it was with Maxwell back then so it's unlikely that they'll be able to repeat that (also because their share is higher right now which means that there's less potential buyers for them) but still, this shows why they even do it.
Why do you think that they aren't? 1070 competitor is what Vega 11 should be, the only question is when will it launch as so far all talk about Vega's release date seems to point to Vega 10 only.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
OEMs want bigger numbers every year. That's likely one reason for the rebrands on top of the potential minor improvements - slightly higher clocks, better temps, etc.
Pretty much all recent games this year have the 1060 winning. Even the DX12 ones. I think Resident Evil 7 is the only exception.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
There's only been a handful of notable PC games released in Jan and Feb. One of them is Res 7 where the 480 is faster, another is Sniper Elite 3 and the 480 is faster in that at all resolutions.
So what games are you talking about? Hope you ain't pulled them out your bumbum.
EDIT: 480 is also faster in For Honor. Lol. So in all three of the biggest pc games released 'this year', the 480 is faster, the opposite of what you said. Unbelievable. Stop spreading misinformation.
Anyway OFF TOPIC.
You appear to looking at the 1060 3GB there, the 6GB version is ahead in that For Honor benchmark. Calm down.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
What A Time To Be Alive
Member
Pretty much what I expected.
Ready to see final Vega
Ready to see final Vega
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Pretty much what I expected.
Ready to see final Vega
Exactly how I feel. Going to be around the right time for me too to get a new card. And who knows, maybe an awesome FreeSync 2 monitor will be out by then
.lordfuzzybutt
Member
Well if true, at least it's just the rebrands, VEGA is where it's hot.
Tenacious-D
Member
I currently have a GTX960 and just bought a LG Ultrawide with FreeSync. Would it be smart to buy a Sapphire R9 Fury for $250 or wait for VEGA or RX500?
I assume that the Fury will beat the RX 580 but get curbstomped by VEGA. At the same time, VEGA will most likely be double the price of a Fury, putting outside my price range as I also want to rebuild the rest of my system when Ryzen 5 hits.
I assume that the Fury will beat the RX 580 but get curbstomped by VEGA. At the same time, VEGA will most likely be double the price of a Fury, putting outside my price range as I also want to rebuild the rest of my system when Ryzen 5 hits.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I'd personally wait for a 580, it will probably have some improvements over the 480 (clocks/power) that will put it pretty close to the Fury. The Fury cards have some kinks and the 580 may have some new features (don't​ remember what Polaris added over Fiji, but the 500 series may add a few more).
Corpsepyre
Banned
I'm sure the 580 will be the best price/performance card though.
Pretty much, both AMD and Nvidia are guilty of rebrands and it sucks.
LordOcidax
Member
Nothing new...
It's not exactly the same card. At least I hope so.
ethomaz
Banned
It is the same chip with probably different config (clock to be exact, memory bandwidth, etc).
qa_engineer
Member
I'm still rocking a "re-branded" 290X in the MSI 390X and it's still kicking ass. Re-brands don't just mean its the same exact GPU with a different name, they actually make improvements to the GPU
Hesemonni
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ethomaz
Banned
It will play like an overclocked AIB.
What A Time To Be Alive
Member
Right now from current leaks it looks like its stronger than a 1080 but weaker than a 1080ti but thats from a ES.
Yeah, mostly just hoping for a surprise. Already have a 1080 and while the Ti is pretty tempting for a new build I really want a bit more. In any case Im not in any real rush and can wait to see where things land with Vega and Volta.
I speculate neck and neck with a 1080 but generally ~5% behind it
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Dude, this is a pipedream fantasy.
There is no way that Vega has a prayers chance of surpassing a 1080TI.
If it can compete with even a 1070 then that would be considered a victory.
I don't see the rebranding of Polaris as a negative thing... it's a fairly new chip... it's not like they are rebranding Tonga or GCN 1.1 GPUs... Polaris is a much bigger improvement...
Now they've probably tweaked the chips to perform better and with less power consumption... so it will definitely be a very nice GPU.
Looking forward to get a RX 580....
Now they've probably tweaked the chips to perform better and with less power consumption... so it will definitely be a very nice GPU.
Looking forward to get a RX 580....
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Deleted member 325805
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I'm super tempted to move to AMD and Freesync when I need to upgrade next, my GTX 970 is still going fine but it won't live forever and I want Gsync but it's too expensive, I'd save £100+ going to Freesync which could be used to pay for a big chunk of a new GPU.
I am aware of the current speculation and honestly dont see it beating a Ti(let alone a OC'd 1080). Just a small hope for a competitive enthusiasts card.
What A Time To Be Alive
Member
The Vega 10 ES is already faster than a 1080. Your thinking of Vega 11 which is a competitor to the 1070.
Its not gonna touch a 1080ti (mayybe compete with it but I doubt it) I expect it to be in between the two, hopefully cheaper than a 1080.
From what we have seen I think thats debatable.
Tenacious-D
Member
Thanks for the advice. I'll wait a bit, see what comes out.
Memorabilia
Member
So, RX 580 to "launch" April 4th... But when will they actually be widely available? Right at launch, end of April, sometime in May? As we've seen, launches are often quite different than actually being able to buy one.
I've already got a couple RX 480s to go with a 1060, but I'm a serial upgrader/tech slut who is a sucker for even mild refreshes. I'll probably sell 1 or both 480s and pick up a Sapphire or XFX 580 when available. Even if all we get are slightly higher clocks with better efficiency courtesy of a GloFo finally getting their shit together on the node process, I'll be happy....
I've already got a couple RX 480s to go with a 1060, but I'm a serial upgrader/tech slut who is a sucker for even mild refreshes. I'll probably sell 1 or both 480s and pick up a Sapphire or XFX 580 when available. Even if all we get are slightly higher clocks with better efficiency courtesy of a GloFo finally getting their shit together on the node process, I'll be happy....
KojiKnight
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icecold1983
Member
A furyx is already only 5-10% slower than a 1070. In what reality are you living where you think it will be a victory for vega to be a few% faster than a furyx? Theres almost no shot in hell that vega only competes with a 1070
You have it backwards. The 480 is generally the winner in big multiplatform titles. Ubi games are nvidias last bastion of hope. Outside of them they usually lose
