Cizeta-Moroder
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Even then, locked is essentially same as capped, just with more headroom.
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Wii U resolution/fps reference thread
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Even then, locked is essentially same as capped, just with more headroom.
I don't think it is.
My mistake:
Call of Duty Black Ops 2, single player 60fps target but varies wildly
Call of Duty Black Ops 2, multiplayer 60fps locked
Resolution is the same:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-black-ops-2-wii-u-face-off
Nice thread!
May as well add Nintendoland, which is 720p 30fps (edit: or is it 60fps? I may be misremembering. Haven't played it in awhile).
Hmm I don't think you're right there.
May as well add Nintendoland, which is 720p 30fps (edit: or is it 60fps? I may be misremembering. Haven't played it in awhile).
Hmm I don't think you're right there.
I haven't played ALBW yet but it's common in the 3d games, where the frame stops to emphasize big hits. It makes it seem like the game slows to a crawl when you spin attack when enemies are all around you as each individual hit has the stop and it happens rapidly.
considering the slowdowns only happen when taking out huge groups of enemies at once, i've wondered if this was the case. it would explain why DF didn't ever see it drop below 60 (because the frames are there, it's the actual gameplay thats slowing down) or maybe they just never took out any huge groups of enemies during their playthroughs, which is possible because its pretty few and far between
regarding resolution - 3d world and the last of us are the only two games i've played through at 720p (as opposed to 1080p) recently. it was incredibly obvious for TLOU, and i could barely tell with SM3DW. the art design is really the determining factor. as much as i'd like every wii u game to be 1080p, it really doesn't matter if they are all as pretty as 3d world. (not saying TLOU wasn't pretty, it just strove for more realism which made the 720p more noticeable)
titusandronicus
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Through more research it seems that every game has fps dips in some form. Should I only mention the dips if they are very noticeable? Will add stuff about AA and V sync as well at some point.
Practically every game dips in framerate at some point due to uncontrollable things like the camera swinging around and filling the screen with a smoke effect or something. 2D games are the ones less likely to ever dip due to their fixed nature, but even things happen in those sometimes.
Yeah, no need to mention "with dips". It's way too common a thing. Nobody expects 60fps locked on console games really.
Oh, Need for Speed Most Wanted is 720p/30fps.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Take out the "with dips" bit, very few games actually are 30 or 60fps at all times. Just mention the framerate the game is running on most of the time, people get it.
Yep, since it's hard to ensure that you never get behind in the rendering of the next frame, they are practically synonymous. Or to quote Dark10x:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87532954&postcount=142
If one wants to stick with the claim that locked means staying at the same framerate always, then I'd wager very few games, if any, in the first post, qualify.
Do you have a 1080p TV? If so, I'm very surprised to hear you didn't realize. When I moved my Wii U from my 720p TV to my new 1080p display, I was shocked to see how much worse the games suddenly looked.
Shin-Ra
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MomoPufflet
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I guess you could qualify it with "effectively locked" or something with footnotes on the known instances of dip if you want to get technical. I'm sure there is a debate to be had about if "locked" has to mean "truly locked" that I am probably not qualified to take part in.
eXistor
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It's intentional. My colleague thought the same thing, but it's just the slight pause the game gives when hitting an enemy, it's just more noticeable when you hit a large group of enemies at once, like in Star-1.
Really now?
Anyway I'm pretty sure the dips when hitting certain enemies is intentional in SM3DW, but I could be wrong.
Oh boy, so much bullshit.
Jules Coast
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There are dips in SM3DW. Go to the circus levels (Switch Block something...). When you make all the blue squares yellow, a door opens and there's a huge beam of light. There is always some slight slow down. It's definitely noticeable. Does not take away from the game.
titusandronicus
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Care to expand?
EDIT: Will be interesting to see wether or not Tropical Freeze turns out to be 1080p. Hoping it is, due to the game looking good but the textures and models aren't that much of an improvement over the Wii DK.
The majority of 1080p telly owners don't sit the required distance from their tellies to be able to physically tell the difference between 720p native and 1080p native even before you start to think about a 720p native game upscaled to 1080p. A lot of the time it's purely psychological.
Ok, I'm almost certain Monster Hunter is 1080p.
Fake edit:
Yes, here's a story about it from a somewhat-reputable website: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/10/monster_hunter_3_ultimate_will_run_at_1080p_on_wii_u
Real edit:
The NE post you linked only talks about frame rate, and the YouTube video just happens to be 720p.
Fake edit:
Yes, here's a story about it from a somewhat-reputable website: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/10/monster_hunter_3_ultimate_will_run_at_1080p_on_wii_u
Real edit:
The NE post you linked only talks about frame rate, and the YouTube video just happens to be 720p.
Pikmin 3 does drop, but it's mainly during the level fly-bys before you take control of the captains. I don't think there's many actual gameplay instances of the framerate dropping, and if there are, they're very minor.
WWHD definitely does drop pretty hard if you're in a situation with a lot of explosions, like fighting a Big Octo or a lot of small ships, and that's not just the hit-pause in effect. Otherwise, though, it's very, very smooth.
because it does. On one of the later dungeons there was a noticeable drop as I was just walking across a bridge.
gingerbeardman
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Nintendo Land is 720p, mostly 60fps (some 30fps in multiplayer)
http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/16976/e3-2012-one-on-one-with-nintendos-katsuya-eguchi
http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/16976/e3-2012-one-on-one-with-nintendos-katsuya-eguchi
Wait, a lot of the games that looked much worse on my 1080p display were actually a psychological effect on my part?
titusandronicus
Member
Was originally not sure of that article because in it ZombiU is claimed to be 1080p which it isn't, but many other sites claim MH to be 1080p and the screenshots seem convincing. Thanks for the heads up, edited the OP.
PreyingShark
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Nah, more like you're sitting closer to your TV than most people.
WWHD also drops on certain bosses.
No it is not.
Both have in common that the framerate can go above the mentioned value,
but if the framerate is caped, it can go way below.
If a framerate is locked, than it is locked, it does not go below.
I didn't beat the game, but I think I did see some drops during Gohma. Anyone else come to mind?
bishopcruz
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It's nice when posters who don't know what they are talking about just let everyone know like this. Saves time in the future.
Good to know that if we all sat far enough away from our tvs, we could make Panzer Dragoon look like it was 1080. Who needs HD collections at all?
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A More Normal Bird
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No, you've got it the wrong way around, Cizeta is right. Capped and locked both mean the framerate doesn't go above the specified value. It's technically impossible to 'lock' a framerate and keep it from dropping if the hardware power isn't there to support it. So, the difference between 60FPS locked and 60FPS capped is that the 'locked' framerate rarely dips, if ever, due to the relatively lower demand the game puts on the hardware; hence, more headroom.
Chinpoko_Master
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Here's a list of rendering resolutions and AA for Wii U games:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1676919&postcount=5
It doesn't have everything though.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1676919&postcount=5
It doesn't have everything though.
Gohma is probably the worst. Puppet Ganon can get a little dicey.
Otherwise it's mainly something with bombs in the ocean the game doesn't like.
Captain Smoker
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Smash Bros. is confirmed to have 1080p.
I think they said this even in the release video.
I think they said this even in the release video.
It was like that in the Gamecube version, which makes me think that it's something that the engine simply doesn't like.
ElectricKaibutsu
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Great thread, OP!
My old, trusty 720p TV finally bit the dust so a couple hours ago I ordered a new 1080p monitor which I'll be doing my Wii U gaming on. I'm going to be sitting close so here's hoping for more 1080p games. But really, we all know the Wii U specs. The majority of games will be 720p. That bothered me at first, but with the release of a certain $500 console, the Wii U doesn't seem so alone in the 720p camp. C'mon 1080p next gen.
I'm expecting Mario Kart 8 to be 720p but I noticed Nintendo's new trailer on YouTube is 1080p, whatever that means.
My old, trusty 720p TV finally bit the dust so a couple hours ago I ordered a new 1080p monitor which I'll be doing my Wii U gaming on. I'm going to be sitting close so here's hoping for more 1080p games. But really, we all know the Wii U specs. The majority of games will be 720p. That bothered me at first, but with the release of a certain $500 console, the Wii U doesn't seem so alone in the 720p camp. C'mon 1080p next gen.
I'm expecting Mario Kart 8 to be 720p but I noticed Nintendo's new trailer on YouTube is 1080p, whatever that means.
symmetrical
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lol
phosphor112
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While I do think pointing that single drop is silly, goal posts are being moved here.
That's bullshit. You're going to post that shitty graph that has been debunked time and time again.
phosphor112
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double
I never said, that it is possible to lock a framerate.
I said that a locked framerate does not go below or above the mentioned value.
There still is a difference, as you agree.
The poster I quoted, said that there is essentially no difference.
Mauricio_Magus
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Great thread, I've really wanted this. *subscribes*
Somehow I don't think your poor eyesight or lack of attention to detail is a justifiable reason for 1080p not mattering.
For watching films I can see the argument that some people sit too far away to see the difference between 720 and 1080p. For games the difference is too big to be unnoticeable unless you're sitting 7 metres away or something stupid.
patrickthehedgehog
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Truth. I like how Nintendo is getting that right.
Honestly I'm a little surprised 3D World is 720p because it looks glorious in motion. Sitting at a comfy distance from my larger TV it looks nearly perfect.