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Kyzer
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(09-14-2017, 04:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Htown

So do you actually not understand what they're saying?

Do you think I was actually jealous of the USA taking credit for racism or is it really obvious that I was joking
Kitsunebaby
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(09-14-2017, 05:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by MugiwaraCole

Difference between a shameless, self-aware racist and one that actually describes themselves using that word. They tend to prefer other terms. And, yeah, I've never met the latter.

I'm just a nigga, though, ion know everything.

Lovely for you I guess. I'm related to the latter. It's pretty fucking frustrating.
ForsakenLotus
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(09-14-2017, 05:37 PM)
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The issue with the message is that it can be understood as championing a society that accepts or embrace racism and that it's a normal aspect of our culture, or a condemnation of the systemic racism in our country that persists and is seeing a frustrating public surge over the past couple years, especially now with a shockingly bigoted president.

I give them credit for trying though. The most important thing is they cared enough to say and do something.
ahoyhoy
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(09-14-2017, 05:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by AstroLad

God damn.
andythinkpad
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(09-14-2017, 05:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by pigeon

I can't tell if that's pro racism or anti racism.

Ditto. I also am not sure if they were trying to shit on Americans or shit on MLB.
StanleyStutters
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(09-14-2017, 05:43 PM)
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Message didn't seem too ambiguous to me, but I can see the confusion from the wording. Racists don't call themselves racist or consider their actions racism. The sign was pointing out that racism is still a part of everyday life in America, just like baseball. Nothing has changed over the years.
ZeoVGM
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(09-15-2017, 12:27 AM)
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I think the fact that so many people were confused by the message means it clearly was not an "obvious" message.

They're right in the general point they're trying to get across but I think if people are questioning the meaning of it as much as they are, it maybe wasn't the best way to get their protest out there.

Especially considering how ridiculous some of Boston Antifa's statement was.

https://twitter.com/AntifaBoston/sta...78005528334336

MLB as a league should be dissolved. Like the Confederate monuments the Nazis are defending across the nation, remove and replace it with something of value to all people. A sport where people who identify as non-male make up 50% of the league.

Over-the-top crazy statements like that only makes people laugh at you and hurt the incredibly valid and worthy cause they're trying to support.
Byakuya769
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(09-15-2017, 02:25 AM)
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Originally Posted by StanleyStutters

Message didn't seem too ambiguous to me, but I can see the confusion from the wording. Racists don't call themselves racist or consider their actions racism. The sign was pointing out that racism is still a part of everyday life in America, just like baseball. Nothing has changed over the years.

Agreed 100%.
Sanjuro
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(09-15-2017, 02:29 AM)
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I went to Fenway today, no banners to be seen. :-

A lot of talk about it on the radio and throughout the ballpark. Such a weird occurrence.
kikiribu
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(09-15-2017, 02:34 AM)
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I don't get it. Are they just trying to say that racism isn't exclusively American, in the same way that baseball isn't really American since Americans aren't even the best at it?

Shit's confusing and should have been kept much simpler instead of trying too hard to be "deep."
mjp2417
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(09-15-2017, 02:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by kikiribu

I don't get it. Are they just trying to say that racism isn't exclusively American, in the same way that baseball isn't really American since Americans aren't even the best at it?

Shit's confusing and should have been kept much simpler instead of trying too hard to be "deep."

While baseball is a more international game now than it ever has been, there is still no other country in the world with a stronger group of MLB stars than the US. It's not even particularly close.
pizzaparty
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(09-15-2017, 02:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by kikiribu

I don't get it. Are they just trying to say that racism isn't exclusively American, in the same way that baseball isn't really American since Americans aren't even the best at it?

Shit's confusing and should have been kept much simpler instead of trying too hard to be "deep."

Racism is as embedded into the fabric of American culture as baseball. It's a statement and criticism on the institutional pervasiveness of racism

I genuinely have no idea how people think the sign is ambiguous.
Phrynobatrachus
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(09-15-2017, 02:41 AM)
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Originally Posted by ZeoVGM

I think the fact that so many people were confused by the message means it clearly was not an "obvious" message.

They're right in the general point they're trying to get across but I think if people are questioning the meaning of it as much as they are, it maybe wasn't the best way to get their protest out there.

Especially considering how ridiculous some of Boston Antifa's statement was.

https://twitter.com/AntifaBoston/sta...78005528334336



Over-the-top crazy statements like that only makes people laugh at you and hurt the incredibly valid and worthy cause they're trying to support.

this is almost certainly a right-wing troll account.

*edit*

yeah, it's these guys

https://itsgoingdown.org/alt-right-t...ebook-youtube/
Last edited by Phrynobatrachus; 09-15-2017 at 02:44 AM.
Curufinwe
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(09-15-2017, 02:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by perfectchaos007

I don't get it. Isn't baseball a british sport originally?

In Britain it's a game for children called rounders.
Jmanunknown
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(09-15-2017, 06:37 AM)

Originally Posted by pizzaparty

Racism is as embedded into the fabric of American culture as baseball. It's a statement and criticism on the institutional pervasiveness of racism

I genuinely have no idea how people think the sign is ambiguous.

Some people just don't want to or choose not to understand phrases like that. Think of how some people took it when the slogan black lives matter came out some people knew easily what it ment and others started screaming all lives matter.
Last edited by Jmanunknown; 09-15-2017 at 07:39 AM.
raziel
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(09-15-2017, 06:41 AM)
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Originally Posted by AstroLad

segasonic
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(09-15-2017, 06:46 AM)

Originally Posted by pizzaparty

Racism is as embedded into the fabric of American culture as baseball. It's a statement and criticism on the institutional pervasiveness of racism

I genuinely have no idea how people think the sign is ambiguous.

This.
Vagabundo
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(09-15-2017, 06:51 AM)
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lol @the confusion. It shows where america is right now if people weren't sure if they were protesting or advertising.
Dreams-Visions
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(09-15-2017, 06:55 AM)
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i wish they had swung this down at one of my Indians games. Maybe accelerate the removal of Chief Wahoo sooner.
Apt101
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(09-15-2017, 06:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mammoth Jones

Haha. I'm sure it'll read differently to people depending on their worldview.

If this had happened in September 2016, I would have immediately read it a certain way. But that we have hordes of actual nazis marching around with Trump in office, I really wasn't sure. They could have been gloating.
mike6467
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(09-15-2017, 06:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by pizzaparty

Racism is as embedded into the fabric of American culture as baseball. It's a statement and criticism on the institutional pervasiveness of racism

I genuinely have no idea how people think the sign is ambiguous.

I saw this the second I saw the banner, I don't understand what's confusing.

Also saw some of the comments on Michael Rapaport's Tweet regarding this. They were enlarged pics of the people holding the sign calls for doxxing and "justice". Not shocking really, but fuck. Just feels like everyday is a little more dystopian then the last, and some days it hits harder then others.
Mortemis
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(09-15-2017, 07:04 AM)
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Yeah I didn't have any confusion at all. You don't really see racists admitting they're racists too often, at least in public. Racism is a whole lot more deeply engrained in America than baseball is anyways.
Zoggy
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(09-15-2017, 07:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter

You know it was anti-racism because it was in Boston and they were removed.

Rofl
30yearsofhurt
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(09-15-2017, 07:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by pigeon

I can't tell if that's pro racism or anti racism.

This is why they should have re-thought how they made their point.
Are they saying baseball is racist? America is racist? Racism is patriotic?
Jmanunknown
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(09-15-2017, 07:45 AM)

Originally Posted by 30yearsofhurt

This is why they should have re-thought how they made their point.
Are they saying baseball is racist? America is racist? Racism is patriotic?


pizzaparty answered your question already in this thread



Originally Posted by pizzaparty

Racism is as embedded into the fabric of American culture as baseball. It's a statement and criticism on the institutional pervasiveness of racism

I genuinely have no idea how people think the sign is ambiguous.

dabig2
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(09-15-2017, 08:43 AM)
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Maybe including "and apple pie" at the end would have made it clearer I guess? Anyone who understands the popular idiom and also understands that being called a racist is the worst offense a human being can do to another would mean that the banner is calling out America's ingrained racism.
nacimento
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(09-15-2017, 09:32 AM)
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I really can't see the supposed ambiguity. It is clear that it is just criticizing the "racism is just a fringe problem, nothing major or ingrained in our culture" line of thought.
MarkMclovin
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(09-15-2017, 09:37 AM)
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I'm confused at people being confused.
Imm0rt4l
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(09-15-2017, 09:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by StanleyStutters

Message didn't seem too ambiguous to me, but I can see the confusion from the wording. Racists don't call themselves racist or consider their actions racism. The sign was pointing out that racism is still a part of everyday life in America, just like baseball. Nothing has changed over the years.

This.
MegaManTrigger
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(09-15-2017, 03:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by StanleyStutters

Message didn't seem too ambiguous to me, but I can see the confusion from the wording. Racists don't call themselves racist or consider their actions racism. The sign was pointing out that racism is still a part of everyday life in America, just like baseball. Nothing has changed over the years.

Precisely my thoughts too. The vocabulary was a giveaway but I did see where people were coming from with the confusion.

I wonder what would've happened if people went with this:
"Racism: America's REAL Pasttime."
"Racism: Older than Baseball"
ElectricBlanketFire
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(09-15-2017, 03:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by MarkMclovin

I'm confused at people being confused.

Same.
timetokill
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(09-15-2017, 07:27 PM)
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I think the ideal banner in this case would be "Racism is as American as apple pie" since that's the most common quote of "American as..."

but then again there are no pie sports so they wouldn't get the exposure they're after
HStallion
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(09-15-2017, 07:35 PM)
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Their statement should be only confusing to those who can't read English.
Boke1879
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(09-16-2017, 05:43 PM)
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They are trolls.
Phrynobatrachus
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(09-16-2017, 08:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Boke1879

They are trolls.

no, no they aren't.
Sanjuro
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(09-16-2017, 08:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Boke1879

They are trolls.

How?
MegaManTrigger
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(09-16-2017, 08:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Boke1879

They are trolls.

In what world is equating racism to America's pasttime -knowing full well that it is so ingrained in American history- a troll thing?
jwk94
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(09-16-2017, 08:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by pigeon

I can't tell if that's pro racism or anti racism.

Neither can I but they're absolutely right.

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