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I played an unhealthy amount during the beta so that I could put off that itch but it's slowly getting to me.
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Guild Wars 2 public Beta is here for pre-purchases! [Stress Test June 27th]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6CyqGJHTjes
Interesting. I spent most of the beta just doing events then leaving. Never thought to stick around
Interesting. I spent most of the beta just doing events then leaving. Never thought to stick around
Didn't know whether you wanted a close up or more of the hand in the frame. Scaling it any smaller to get all of the Asura into the avatar makes it hard to tell what you're looking at. So, here's two versions.
A list of somewhat guesstimated gem shop prices:
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Mind = BLOWN
I'll happily play Tera for the next month or two till I get bored of it... but once this is out, I'll never look at MMOs (or most RPGs for that matter) the same ever again.
ElderScrolls Online, for instance, will NEED to do this. This is a new future standard... I can't see how it can even be disputed after watching that.
I'm playing LOTRO and keep thinking about how this battle or that battle would have went in GW2 and it's amazing how much you miss it. Some people don't like some of the choices they made, but a lot of their core ideas are brilliant for the MMO genre. You feel more in control of combat and feel the world around you instead of just grinding quests, even if the quests are the same. It's just that sense of exploring and chained events that help create a living world as well.
Well, back to LOTRO in the meantime.
Well, back to LOTRO in the meantime.
Didn't know whether you wanted a close up or more of the hand in the frame. Scaling it any smaller to get all of the Asura into the avatar makes it hard to tell what you're looking at. So, here's two versions.
Please re-host if you please.Derp, GAF hosts avatars now, totally forgot.
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This is great!
Still, I'm kinda worried that the actual finished game will feel a lot like they've taken lots and lots of public quests from Warhammer Online (didn't play any of the other MMOs with similar quests, so excuse the comparison if there are better ones available) instead of actual story arcs. I don't know, but there's still a thought in the back of my head that this system will get a bit old and tiresome after a while, if there's nothing to hook you except for the personal story arc.
Anyway, I hope they'll find a way to do this. Most of these events probably will have great storylines anyway if it wasn't for the 'kill 200 bears' parts you have to endure
This is great!
Still, I'm kinda worried that the actual finished game will feel a lot like they've taken lots and lots of public quests from Warhammer Online (didn't play any of the other MMOs with similar quests, so excuse the comparison if there are better ones available) instead of actual story arcs. I don't know, but there's still a thought in the back of my head that this system will get a bit old and tiresome after a while, if there's nothing to hook you except for the personal story arc.
Anyway, I hope they'll find a way to do this. Most of these events probably will have great storylines anyway if it wasn't for the 'kill 200 bears' parts you have to endure
My main issue with the system as it is now is how quickly events spawn. Hopefully they tone that down and add more unique events per area/location
Yeah, I had come across those very events but didn't even notice the NPC interactions. I knew to follow escort NPCs cause they usually opened up new vendors when they got to where they were going, but I never expected this level of interaction and it'll make me pay a lot more attention.
I did see some events in Queensdale that seemed to be running too quickly while others seemed fine in the frequency so it seemed to be just a matter of tweaking based on feedback. I also think it's possible that they had stuff running faster than normal just to allow people to get stuff tested. Though I also do understand that given this is their content, the events in which cycle back around and aren't the persistent types can't be down for too long because you're not the only person playing the game. I just think that as long as I'm in the immediate vicinity, I shouldn't see an event restart in that time frame. By general vicinity I mean within the radius in which I might see the DE on my map. I had this happen at one point where I fended off the Centaurs from attacking, the vendors respawned and the waypoint came back up, as I was using the vendor they were attacking again and that was just too fast. Whether it was a bug or not I don't know, but it was literally about 1 minute in between and that was the one that I saw that was a red flag to me in terms of frequency.
Wow mindblown:
I'm sure you've heard the complaint... "We can use skills even if we aren't in range and there's no way of knowing if we're out of range!"
But I learned that's wrong. I actually thought this too, and thought they should make the skills turn red or have a red bar over them when out of range, that is... until I discovered that they already do. It's the number. If you're in range, the skill number is white, if you're out of range it's red. Here's a visual example, watch skill #4 and F1, F2, F3:
If any costumes that I really like come up, those will be my downfall. Either that, or those transmutation gems... I am such a sucker for cosmetic stuff. I know I know, it's bad!
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Independent thought and decision making are pretty much vital in sport. Without that you're waiting for someone else to tell you what to do, basically... you're a computer game character and someone on the sideline has the joystick. So you might not feel you were making any decisions, but (hopefully) through good coaching and preparation you were making decisions.
Muscle memory and instinct are, believe it or not, independent thought and decision making but at an extremely fast level. Its not your muscles making that decision, its your mind making a decision based on a number of events you've already faced - they don't even have to be the exact same events it can work out a schema of what to do based on several different experiences.
You know how to jump.
You know how to catch.
Put that schema together and you can jump and catch a ball without having to have tried it before.
I'm not trying to belittle the concept of 'eSport', however, I do think, as others have mentioned, that its simply a very useful buzzword to try and make it seem more mainstream and acceptable. I even admitted that I may have downplayed the part involving tactics, as clearly there are elements in games. I do not remember at any point saying that real sports were better than eSport.
I've had a read through: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=455309&highlight=esport&page=3 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454420&highlight=esport&page=11 and I can see that the communities are very passionate about it, so I understand people getting defensive when others don't understand/share that passion.
I also watched the Quake video with that Rafa guy, and that showed a high level of ability and skill. So I can respect that. What I do not respect, and I put this down to the passion, are people's replies basically saying someone else's opinion is 'shit'. I'd like to think people were beyond that level of reply.
To me it just looks like very highly competitive gaming. Honestly don't mean to be disrespecting, and I've tried to say that several times, yet people seem to get very aggressive in their replies, which I put down to their passion for competitive gaming. I've played in Counter-Strike LAN days back when I was in high school, but at that point in time I never considered it a sport. I saw it as a competition, without a doubt, as that what it was. A competition between different classes.
Perhaps the term and usage of 'sport' has evolved to the point that anything that involves high levels of competition is a sport (physically or computer based).
On a side, I wasn't saying anything bad about Chess, or even suggested tongue in cheek it was made a sport to placate anyone, so not sure where that came from. It was a game, that became a Sport, which I suppose is what I'm suggesting above with the usage of 'sport' as a word evolving. Out of interest what is your arguments is that it IS a sport - why? how?
Would you consider Poker a sport?
(Finally, sorry for bringing this over to a new page. I am genuinely interested in this whole thing. Perhaps I should take it to another thread.)
Yeah, I actually noticed that in the last couple hours of the beta. Its definitely a nice touch.
I don't know if it was just me getting used to looking for it or not, but I still felt it wasn't quite noticeable enough. It wasn't too bad to check before engaging in combat, but during a hectic fight I would find myself not noticing whether I was in range for certain attacks. Maybe that would happen less when I got used to it, but I think maybe it might be a good idea to make the effect a little more obvious.
That being said, I'm glad they didn't prevent you from using abilities out of range. First of all, it just makes the game feel less like using a bunch of hotbar skills on a target. And more importantly, it allows you to find alternate uses for abilities, like using a leap attack to flee from combat or chase someone down when they are out of range.
No problem, enjoy the avatar.
Some people here (I have not, personally) seen Dynamic Events in the second human starting area where you must demolish bridges and lay siege to Centaur encampments. Siege engines are involved if I remember correctly. There's a lot more going on than just 'kill 200 bears'.
Actually, that particular event was a rarity in my experience (I did get to take part in the bear massacre, see here), there were very few straight-up "Kill a shitload of enemies" quests. Most at least involved some kind of additional objective (steal ore, defend this position, etc.) so you didn't feel like you were tasked with genocide.
I actually screen-capped the bear one because it stuck out so much (and because who doesn't love heaps of dead bears hellbent on honey?)
Pretty sure the respawn for both enemies and events was increased to speed up the testing process for the bWE. I had quite a few times where we'd capture a city or defend a caravan only to see it under attack all over again immediately afterwords.
You're not alone. I may re-activate my WoW account one day just to screen-cap my bank full of pretty outfits.
I think this is probably for the best, it's derailing this thread and it feels like people have said their peace and don't know how or don't want to put it another way. You'll get valuable feedback (or bushels of shit, or both) from Starcraft players, fighting game fans and shooter fans. MMO eSports are kind of... not there yet. But those genres are already experiencing some degree of success in the eSports arena.
Yeah, we were running down a Mesmer in WvW and I switched over to my sword/sword setup and leapt at her even though she was out of range. The guys who were with me were like "what the hell, we can do that?"
Never did catch her. Mesmers are fuckin' FAST when they want to be.
I actually wouldn't mind some kind of big red X over skills that aren't in range. The larger amount of red would allow me to tell with my peripheral vision what's up much easier than a tiny red digit.
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That sounds more like it
I didn't come around to actually follow the game a lot during BWE, just ran around checking out all kinds of stuff. Loved the little "guard the caravan quest" I ran into, same with some "train soldiers with a gun". I don't really expect a lot of random killquests, I just fear they'll be there, waiting for me Oh man, this Beta weekend was the stupidest thing I could do. Now I'm hooked to a game I can't even play, which will come out in months from now. Goddamn.
I specifically didn't do the prepurchase beta because I didn't want to hype myself up too much. Didn't wanna be left with that itch and not being able to play it until whenever the hell it ends up coming out.
That, and, I've got a pretty big backlog that I've been making zero progress on. But mostly the former.
That, and, I've got a pretty big backlog that I've been making zero progress on. But mostly the former.
Those seem OK I guess. The ability to pay for gems with gold makes it even better. In the final version you get 5 character slots by default, right?
I don't know about that. I've read a couple of threads in the Official Forums where a dev said he didn't believe DE were spawning too fast (people claiming 1 minute between respawns) as the shorter timer was set to 8 minutes. Then a guy posted a video to prove it, so it might have been a bug, or they did set them on a shorter timer and they probably had some internal miscommunication about that. In any case, I'm sure they'll fix it for final release.
As an added question... any word on mounts coming to the game some time in the (near) future?
Pretty sure you get 5 slots, yes.
ANet has said there's no need for mounts since there are waypoints everywhere. Also, mounts are annoying and designed to get you through or around content faster. Why would you want that? Worse example of this is WoW's flying mounts; you spend all that time crafting content and then just let your players fly over it? Bah.
The only mention they have made of mounts is that they would like to implement some form of combat. I'd rather just see them make a jousting mini-game.
Mounts let people be obnoxious too. "LOL, I have giant mammoth, gonna go stand on the mailbox now!"
But there's no mailboxes in this game :O
Nah, I know their stance on flying mounts (I don't like them either), and I know there's lots of waypoints, but mounts look cool plus they don't have to be obnoxious giant Mammoths or motorcycles. I didn't think about burning through content faster but I guess it makes sense.
Still, I think WvW could have some battle mounts no problem, not only the siege suits.
Nah, I know their stance on flying mounts (I don't like them either), and I know there's lots of waypoints, but mounts look cool plus they don't have to be obnoxious giant Mammoths or motorcycles. I didn't think about burning through content faster but I guess it makes sense.
Still, I think WvW could have some battle mounts no problem, not only the siege suits.
I just meant 'stand on mailboxes' as an example; people always find some way to be obnoxious with mounts. As for mounts being cooler, I've only found two mounts to be interesting; the wolf mounts Orcs get and the Paladin warhorse, both from WoW. For those two, there were obnoxious mechanical ostriches, dinosaurs, elephants, chocobos, dragons (especially dragons, ugh)... I'd much rather see them spend time on something that's cosmetic, not game-breaking, and has more longevity; housing.
I could see some kind of transportation method in WvW, but there are better ways to do it (see below).
Jira and I were talking about this, we both thought a neat idea might be a single-use Flag or banner that you can plan in the ground. When you activate it, you instantly teleport to that location and the banner disappears. It would have a price comparable to siege blueprints and possibly consume supply.
That way, if there's a particular point you really want to control, you can have a quick route back to it without the fuss of having to put waypoints everywhere.
Could expand the idea to have a Squad-based banner that only Commanders can use, that when used teleports any squad members standing within the area of effect to return to the banner.
I don't care to get involved in a debate about the nomenclature. It makes no difference to me whether you call it esports, pro gaming, etc; but I think it's kind of arbitrary to decide that playing a game with a ball is somehow more noble a pursuit than playing a game on a computer.
What I don't understand is why some people are HELLBENT on having competitive gaming be labeled as a "sport". Nearly everyone in the world wouldn't consider it a "sport", so why get into a semantics argument on the interwebs about it? Then again, this is the interwebs.
Wait. You realize you're arguing roughly the same thing that I was earlier, right?
I just meant "there's no mailboxes" as a joke -.-
Yeah, I gotcha. I just mean that mounts in general are a way for players to increase the amount of douche-baggery they can commit.
Thanks for reminding me how awesome it is that we can mail, shop, sell and deposit materials from anywhere in the world. That alone makes every other MMO out there unplayable.
Yes, that's why I replied to you.
The same guy who did the Dynamic Events chain video now also did a Dynamic Events consequences video, it's pretty awesome and informative too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwmtVFoZAKA
For all those saying DE's don't have consequences, and again, this is just really early on in the game, later DE's will probably be even larger with even more consequences. I like this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwmtVFoZAKA
For all those saying DE's don't have consequences, and again, this is just really early on in the game, later DE's will probably be even larger with even more consequences. I like this guy.
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The same guy who did the Dynamic Events chain video now also did a Dynamic Events consequences video, it's pretty awesome and informative too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwmtVFoZAKA
For all those saying DE's don't have consequences, and again, this is just really early on in the game, later DE's will probably be even larger with even more consequences. I like this guy.
So freaking awesome. I realize how little I actually know about this game, can't wait to finally jump in again.
JustProgress
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Try to contain your boner please.
I also did that event in the video and while I could reclaim that lower camp by myself, I couldn't reclaim the other until some people showed up. It doesn't matter anyway because when we got back the other camp was taken again already and you don't lose a thing save for a couple of NPC's becoming unavailable and the contested waypoints.
We grouped up, retook the camp, and followed up a little to the east to attack the frost elementals and dog things at their own kind of base. Like a minute later the Norn camp was under attack again, all the NPCs were down and I'd leveled twice so I just moved on leaving things the way they were when I found that place. I think that is what people mean by not having that much visible consequence, it was a chain of events for sure but it felt mostly that it existed on 2 states depending on the number of people around. It doesn't seem like there is a back and forth or that they exist beyond those phases and there was no visible reward for freeing that camp because it was taken again immediately making your efforts moot (it broke the illusion in the end is what I meant, I understand they have to be on a cycle so that everyone can experience the content).
ANET has promised much more involved stuff later on so I still want to see that, but I don't think that was the best example of consequence in DE.
We grouped up, retook the camp, and followed up a little to the east to attack the frost elementals and dog things at their own kind of base. Like a minute later the Norn camp was under attack again, all the NPCs were down and I'd leveled twice so I just moved on leaving things the way they were when I found that place. I think that is what people mean by not having that much visible consequence, it was a chain of events for sure but it felt mostly that it existed on 2 states depending on the number of people around. It doesn't seem like there is a back and forth or that they exist beyond those phases and there was no visible reward for freeing that camp because it was taken again immediately making your efforts moot (it broke the illusion in the end is what I meant, I understand they have to be on a cycle so that everyone can experience the content).
ANET has promised much more involved stuff later on so I still want to see that, but I don't think that was the best example of consequence in DE.
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I'm still concerned about this as well. I figured they could let the events take longer to reset and just add more "filler" mini-events in place of the larger scale events. Assuming that isn't what they are doing now.
Was there any additional info about how they're going to balance the events? Anyone know?
I liked that, tho would be better if the new keybinds were shown there too.
The same guy who did the Dynamic Events chain video now also did a Dynamic Events consequences video, it's pretty awesome and informative too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwmtVFoZAKA
For all those saying DE's don't have consequences, and again, this is just really early on in the game, later DE's will probably be even larger with even more consequences. I like this guy.
Dat voice, i liked his videos, are cool and informative.
JustProgress pls
This is the one and only thing that needs to happen in order for me to fully enjoy the game. Last beta weekend showed me the potential and greatness that is there, but the framerate kept me from enjoying most of the gameplay. From what I understand I was a lot worse off than some folks though.
So here's my PC I talked about. Preliminary specs:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 3.4GHz
Motherboard: BIOSTAR TZ77B
RAM: G.Skill Ares 1600
Graphics: GTX460 1GB/HD6870 1GB
Storage: Samsung F3 500GB/Samsung F3 1TB (is 1TB worth the extra money for an almost exclusive-for-gaming machine?)
Power supply: Corsair TX750V2
Case: BitFenix Shinobi
Optical drive: ASUS DRW-24B1ST
Heatsink: CoolerMaster 212+ EVO
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 3.4GHz
Motherboard: BIOSTAR TZ77B
RAM: G.Skill Ares 1600
Graphics: GTX460 1GB/HD6870 1GB
Storage: Samsung F3 500GB/Samsung F3 1TB (is 1TB worth the extra money for an almost exclusive-for-gaming machine?)
Power supply: Corsair TX750V2
Case: BitFenix Shinobi
Optical drive: ASUS DRW-24B1ST
Heatsink: CoolerMaster 212+ EVO
If its only for gaming, 500gb can be enough but you can reach a point that you will want more space if you like to install lots of games and other stuff, i spent some time with an HD of 250GB and was horrible after a while, 1TB is a sweet spot, but if you want to low the expend of money you can go 500GB . Also if you would like to save money you can drop the Power supply to 450W ~ 500W or 550W
I have been reading the hell out of Guild Wars 2 wiki site and realized how much I didn't know what I was doing during beta weekend. I can't wait for the next one!
I am also reading the lore info and finding it really interesting. It almost has me interested in trying out some roleplaying again when the game goes live. I'm even thinking about buying the first Guild Wars. I bought the game when it first came out and quit after about 15 hours. I can't remember why I didn't like it (seven years ago right?) but I am tempted to get it on Steam.
I am also reading the lore info and finding it really interesting. It almost has me interested in trying out some roleplaying again when the game goes live. I'm even thinking about buying the first Guild Wars. I bought the game when it first came out and quit after about 15 hours. I can't remember why I didn't like it (seven years ago right?) but I am tempted to get it on Steam.
I was going to get a 450W, but was told it won't support the specs especially because the card isn't that power efficient. I assume everything is compatible?
And I still play console games a lot. I'll see how the prices compare though.
If it is a Power Supply of good brand it can support it(Corsair or Seasonic for example)
And your CPU is AMD and the Motherboard only support Intel CPU, so big trouble there. I recommend you to check Hazaro's builds, the $711 one is cheap and will allow you to run GW2 nicely.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=455869
That what I was using. TBH, I might just got with a core i5 instead.
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