BenjaminBirdie said:

How can you even tell? The preview is so tiny.

I think the art looks pretty great actually...

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kswiston said:

Realistically? There was a secrect X-Force team created by Cyclops during the Messiah Complex crossover. Some time later, Cyclops decides to abandon the team. Wolverine starts another X-Force team in secret. Uncanny X-Force picks up from there.

The only other relevant thing is that Warren started lapsing back into Archangel in the previous X-Force series before Uncanny.

The other X-force book was good as well, especially if you were a fan of 80s/90s X-Men. But you don't need to read it to read the current book. Also that X-Force title was heavily connected to the other X-books and to everything that was happening in the X-Universe between Messiah Complex and Second Coming. Uncanny X-Force is standalone like Astonishing X-Men was.

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SUPREME1 said:

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Compare the black and white pencils to the final colored product. The colorist fucked up what was solid pencil work.

Looks beyond terrible.

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Mifune said:

What do I need to know/read to get into this Uncanny X-Force series? Everyone seems to love this Remender guy and I'm nearing the end of Whedon's really fun Astonishing X-Men run and I think I could do with another good X book.

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kswiston said:

Realistically? There was a secrect X-Force team created by Cyclops during the Messiah Complex crossover. Some time later, Cyclops decides to abandon the team. Wolverine starts another X-Force team in secret. Uncanny X-Force picks up from there.

The only other relevant thing is that Warren started lapsing back into Archangel in the previous X-Force series before Uncanny.

The other X-force book was good as well, especially if you were a fan of 80s/90s X-Men. But you don't need to read it to read the current book. Also that X-Force title was heavily connected to the other X-books and to everything that was happening in the X-Universe between Messiah Complex and Second Coming. Uncanny X-Force is standalone like Astonishing X-Men was.

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ViewtifulJC said:

I'll second what Kwiston said, because the book is VERY accessible, and properly (re) introduces all it's characters and ideas to new or lapsed readers.

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Mifune said:

Wow, the book sounds even more accessible than I had hoped. Thanks for all the info.

Is there anything particularly awesome in the lead-up to UXF that you would recommend? Like is the Messiah Complex good AND collected anywhere?

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crimsonspider89 said:

No, nothing needed to read it. Just pick up and go. He is making me start to like Betsy and in the series, Deadpool doesn't do as many childish pranks and no thong for Betsy making her look much more respectable. Also Fantomex is the best thing in the book.

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Satchwar said:

i wish they just would have had travel foreman go to batwing and put marcus to on BoP

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BenjaminBirdie said:

Yeah I know how image links work.

I guess the gradients are pretty chintzy but it's not obscuring the art or anything.

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crimsonspider89 said:

And to let you know, pick up Hickman, Remender, and Slott when they are on ANYTHING.

Three of Marvel's best talents who do a FUCKING amazing job on everything they do.

Slott's She Hulk was beautiful, his Mighty Avengers helped redefine Hank Pym, and his ASM has made fans forget about that horrible event that must not be named.

Remender has given us a deep and convincing Venom who is a blast to read about and demonstrates every member of SA perfectly. Ranging from Pym to Thor.

Hickman, growing up you knew that kid that played your video games better than you? Played with your toys better than you? Yeah that is him. He just makes everything he touches turn to gold. He revived the F4 series, has made fans of the Ultimate universe go back to enjoying it with his Ultimates, and he may be taking over the Avengers after Bendis.

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SmellyHands said:

I'll second this, and although I haven't read much of his Marvel work, Hickman's Image work is always pretty damn interesting.

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Mifune said:

Wow, the book sounds even more accessible than I had hoped. Thanks for all the info.

Is there anything particularly awesome in the lead-up to UXF that you would recommend? Like is the Messiah Complex good AND collected anywhere?

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Setre said:

Read several number 1s of the new 52. Just some one word reviews below.

Thanks Satchwar and boinx for your suggestions, will pick the next issues of the ones you recommended. And yeah Jedeye Sniv I’ve read the Long Halloween, as well as Batman: Year One and The Man Who Laughs. Looking forward to starting Dark Victory.

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Setre said:

Read several number 1s of the new 52. Just some one word reviews below.

Action Comics # 1 – Good
All Star Western # 1 – Awesome
Animal Man # 1 – Awesome
Aquaman # 1 – Awesome
Batgirl # 1 – Okay
Batman # 1 – Good
Batwing # 1 – Awesome
Batwoman # 1 – Awesome
Catwoman # 1 – Okay
Detective Comics # 1 – Good
The Flash # 1 – Good
I, Vampire # 1 – Good
Justice League # 1 – Good
Justice League Dark # 1 – Okay
Nightwing # 1 – Okay
Superboy # 1 – Okay
Supergirl # 1 – Good
Superman # 1 – Okay
Voodoo # 1 – Awesome
Wonder Woman # 1 – Awesome

Thanks Satchwar and boinx for your suggestions, will pick the next issues of the ones you recommended. And yeah Jedeye Sniv I’ve read the Long Halloween, as well as Batman: Year One and The Man Who Laughs. Looking forward to starting Dark Victory.

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nicoga3000 said:

Pardon my ignorance, but this is the second time I've heard the phrase "The 52". What is this referring to? Is this a good time to get into something? :3

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Rafa=FedKilla said:

Nightwing is the only that you listed as Okay that most readers seem to think is good. JLD is adding Jeff Lemire as writers this month so you can jump on it without reading the rest.

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nicoga3000 said:

Pardon my ignorance, but this is the second time I've heard the phrase "The 52". What is this referring to? Is this a good time to get into something? :3

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nicoga3000 said:

Cool, thanks for the info all.

Question about them, then. I'll be going to the shop on Wednesday to pick up my orders, so I have to ask...Of the new 52, what would be good for a newbie to grab? I'm not hugely into the big "super power" stuff, so the best way to ease into that now so I can (maybe) get into it later would be neat.

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nicoga3000 said:

Cool, thanks for the info all.

Question about them, then. I'll be going to the shop on Wednesday to pick up my orders, so I have to ask...Of the new 52, what would be good for a newbie to grab? I'm not hugely into the big "super power" stuff, so the best way to ease into that now so I can (maybe) get into it later would be neat.

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Nicoga3000 said:

Cool, thanks for the info all.

Question about them, then. I'll be going to the shop on Wednesday to pick up my orders, so I have to ask...Of the new 52, what would be good for a newbie to grab? I'm not hugely into the big "super power" stuff, so the best way to ease into that now so I can (maybe) get into it later would be neat.

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nicoga3000 said:

Cool, thanks for the info all.

Question about them, then. I'll be going to the shop on Wednesday to pick up my orders, so I have to ask...Of the new 52, what would be good for a newbie to grab? I'm not hugely into the big "super power" stuff, so the best way to ease into that now so I can (maybe) get into it later would be neat.

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Whatever happened to Bruce Banner? RED SHE-HULK knows, and she is NONE TOO PLEASED.

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SUPREME1 said:

Simply put, it looks like it was done in MS PAint. Like something I would do if tasked with coloring a professional's pencils.

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Rafa=FedKilla said:

Have any of you brahs read the Lone Ranger or Zorro comics? Thinking about checking them out from the library.

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SUPREME1 said:

Simply put, it looks like it was done in MS PAint. Like something I would do if tasked with coloring a professional's pencils.

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kswiston said:

ANNIHILATION: PROLOGUE
ANNIHILATION: NOVA #1-4
ANNIHILATION: SILVER SURFER #1-4
ANNIHILATION: SUPER-SKRULL #1-4
ANNIHILATION: RONAN #1-4
ANNIHILATION #1-6

the four minis are fairly important going into the main series. Especially the Nova series. The prologue is also important.|

If these books are too much money altogether, consider buying a Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited subscription. Almost all of the cosmic marvel stuff in on there. Not the same as having the books, but a great alternative to buying expensive hardcovers if you just want to read the series.

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bodyboarder said:

What are the chances of DC putting out a night of the owls "collection" with all the comics from batman, nightwing etc.

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Andrex said:

Was Bruce Wayne: The Road Home any good? Seems like it'd be up my alley.

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Andrex said:

Was Bruce Wayne: The Road Home any good? Seems like it'd be up my alley.

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notworksafe said:

COMIC OF THE WEEK:
MAR120591 INCREDIBLE HULK #7.1 $2.99

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jon bones said:

only comic that matters to me this week ohhh baby

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I hope my shop gets me Saga #1 in so I can start reading this. -____-

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nicoga3000 said:

I hope my shop gets me Saga #1 in so I can start reading this. -____-

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ElNarez said:

We live in a post-Watchmen Toasters Era. Anything is possible. CORPORATE COMICS, Y'ALL.

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jon bones said:

man, still sold out? glad i got two copies of the first print when i could.

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Most of Marvel Comics' crime fighters take an immediate approach to their battle, foiling a criminal or super villain's latest scheme and leaving punishment for the criminal justice system to decide. Frank Castle, however, takes a more extreme and permanent approach, eliminating the need for the criminal justice system all together. Better known as the gun toting vigilante the Punisher, when Castle's done fighting crime, the perpetrators aren't sent to jail -- they're sent to the morgue.

This utterly ruthless approach has earned the Punisher a number of enemies in the criminal world, but it also means that the non-powered vigilante has to keep his activities from coming under close scrutiny by members of the Marvel U's super powered hero community, many of whom view him as no better than the killers he executes. For the Punisher, waging war against crime in the Marvel U is a tricky thing and sometimes, as in the recent "Omega Effect" crossover by writers Greg Rucka and Mark Waid, Castle is forced to work with other heroes. CBR News spoke with Rucka, writer of the monthly "Punisher" book, about balancing things for Frank Castle, the relationships the Punisher has with Daredevil and Spider-Man and what's next for Frank now that "Omega Effect" has concluded.

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"For Frank to exist in the 616 and do what he does, he's got to stay below the radar. That makes for an internal logic problem because you have somebody like Spider-Man who's pretty much dead-set against anybody dying, and he knows that Frank is out there running around. So the immediate question is, why the heck isn't he doing something about it? The answer has to be that there are other more pressing things occupying him," Rucka said. "The Punisher, while pursuing what Matt Murdock and Pete Parker would call an evil, is pursuing a relatively smaller evil. It's not that they're granting it permission, but they have other things on their plate. I think for Frank to survive, he's got to know that. He's got to know that if he keeps his profile low, Thor is less likely to come and hit him on the head with his hammer because Thor is going to be busy hitting other people with his hammer who are trying to eat the Earth. That was one of the first things my editor Steve Wacker and I had some serious discussion about."

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"My take on Frank is that he doesn't have a lot to say and is absolutely apolitical. This isn't political for him. It's entirely personal. He's not going to look at Matt and say, 'You're wrong.' He's going to say, 'I can't do what you do and the reason I can't is, I don't believe in what you do.' He doesn't feel the need to say that though," Rucka explained. "It's like Wolverine saying, 'I'm the best there is at what I do and what I do isn't very pretty.' People who are the best at what they do and what they do isn't pretty don't brag about it. They don't advertise it.

"A friend of mine in the State Department told me a story about some military guys that he had met in Washington DC. He had drinks with one of them, and while they were talking, he says to this soldier, 'I see you're specced as a medic.' And the soldier says, 'I am.' My friend said, 'You're not a medic, though.' The soldier's response was, 'We're all specced as medics.' So my friend asked, 'Well, what is it that you do?' The soldier took a very long pause and said, 'Let's just say I can do it from about a mile away if there's no wind.' That says, to me, that you walk the walk, but you don't talk about it," Rucka said. "Frank has nothing to prove to anybody. He doesn't stay up at night thinking, 'Oh my God, Daredevil doesn't like me.' If something is keeping him up at night, it ain't that."

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Daredevil and Spider-Man may not agree with the Punisher's mission, but Rucka feels that Frank Castle has nothing but respect for the two heroes, but for very different reasons. "He'll never let him know it, but I think, of the two he sees more in Spider-Man that he wishes he could retain. Because Spider-Man, despite a very tragic legacy, is a very hopeful and optimistic character," Rucka said. "Frank would not call himself a cynic. He would call himself a realist, but his experience of the world is that one day Peter is going to get hit really hard with the reality stick and when he does he's going to collapse. Frank doesn't know that Peter has been hit by that stick multiple times and still continues.

"I also feel that Frank has incredible respect for those people who are heroes," Rucka continued. "He absolutely doesn't see himself as one. He knows exactly what he's doing and he knows the price of it. He's acknowledged those things, but at the same time, he's going to admire the fact that these are guys who are going to be out there doing what they can to protect the innocent. He looks at them and thinks, 'While they're protecting the innocent, I'm going to punish the hell out of the guilty.'"

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"In issue #12, Rachel and Frank have the conversation that's been building for a really long time. He lays things out for her and one of the things he says is, 'You can absolutely get over this if you want. That is a decision you need to make.' It is sort of the counter-argument to what Daredevil was saying," Rucka continued. "Revenge stories end one way, but Frank still continues. He's long since exacted his revenge. What he's doing now isn't revenge -- it's his mission. For him to be there and do that is one of the things that makes him such an amazing character. Think about what's required to live a life where he does what he's doing and he isn't insane. He's doing it with malice aforethought and consideration and care. One of the main reasons Cole is in this story is to illustrate that not everyone can be Frank. In fact, I might argue that nobody can be what Frank is."

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The Punisher and Rachel Cole-Alves' war against the Exchange will come to a close in issue #16, and their relationship just might as well. "When I began this run, I wanted to isolate Frank and conversely show that's a self-imposed isolation. Thus, when somebody invades it, ie: Cole, it kind of jeopardizes the balance he has achieved. To do what he does, he's made some huge sacrifices and some very deliberate choices. One of those things is that he's eschewed human contact. He doesn't want friends. He doesn't want to do those things that people who have normal lives do. He is on mission. The problem is, if somebody else enters the mission, it forces an interaction, and when you don't kill the person you're aiding immediately, it's an ongoing interaction," Rucka said. "It creates a relationship. I always get leery of using the word 'relationship' when I talk about Frank and Rachel, because I'm afraid people are going to go to think I'm planning on them hooking up. That's never going to happen. Never in a million years are these two going to hug, kiss or make nice. That said, they have a relationship. How that relationship works and doesn't work is going to become more evident as things unfold."

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