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Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
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soundscream
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For people going for account suicide yes.
You can discuss your opinion while not being a troll.
It could be entirely possible he got punched in the nose. Now if the extend of his injuries is a broken nose and a wet back, do you think that is enough to come to the conclusion that his life is in danger and shoot?
From his own 911 phone call, from the phone call with the victims girlfriend - we can ascertain that he was stalked, was aware of the stalking, got scared and tried to lose his stalker/run away - when he started running, we are also aware that he was chased - eventually Zimmerman caught up to the victim and an altercation occurred.
If in this fight, Zimmerman was punched in the nose - after stalking and chasing down a guy, the conclusion is that he was on the receiving end of someone defending themselves - if then, this relatively small amount of force lead him to feel as though his life was in danger... well...
Remember, the witness testimony that spins Zimmerman in the most positive life says he was pinned down on the ground by the victim at one point. Now, I don't know how much you weigh, but I could never be pinned down on the ground by someone who weighs 120lb's less than me. At worst - he got punched in the nose, and decided that this was reason enough to shoot.
echoshifting
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I apologize, thought there were more bans.
How would anyone know?
They didn't take pictures or anything,also he cant prove that the injuries came from that fight either.
I think it's possible he tried to interdict, and restrain the victim until the police showed up, and the victim tried to get away and keep going to his father's fiance's house. It's possible that the aggressor told the victim to stop, or even tried to physically restrain the victim, and then an altercation ensued.
echoshifting
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It's entirely possible I missed something, it's a long thread. I'm pretty sure that was the first, though.
I wonder if they already gave a full autopsy report for Trayvon. I mean aside from the hole in his chest, where else he was damaged because of the conflict with Zimmerman and how severe the damage was.
If the response from Trayvon against an unknown, large , stalker, assailant with a gun on a rainy night wasn't already justified.
The damage Trayvon received during that scuffle would undoubtedly support his response of fighting back that gun totting, cape wearing, baseless suspicion having vigilante....
echoshifting
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This is actually a really good question. I'm surprised that report hasn't been made public.
Dreams-Visions
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Count Dookkake
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They were probably too busy testing him for every drug known to man.
This is what I think happened too. Zimmerman probably did not like Trayvon's answer of why he was there and probably tried to restrain Trayvon as he would have started to walk away. At this point Trayvon would have been within his rights to defend himself from unlawful detainment and assault.
backbreaker65
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Earlier I posted a video stating new witness came forward in the case. It has since been brought to my attention that the video I posted as new and is posted all over then net as a new witness. Isn't new at all, the video is from Feb. 28, 2012 a day after shooting and has been reported from various eye witness the police was giving witness their accounts of the altercation and not allowing alternatives to their findings.
Yeah, it's really just that same one guy who insists it was zimmerman getting punched, and not even with that much conviction, he is going off of what he 'thinks' were the colour of the sweaters the people fighting were wearing. And it was dark and raining.
All in all - in this situation what I think needs to be done first and foremost is a matchup of the audio clips of the screaming person with recorded audio of the shooter and victim, I am sure there is a specialist that can do this.
That is the only logical way I can see the scenario playing out. At the same time all I can only visually think of Zimmerman as Seth Rogen's character from Observe and Report.
Baconsammy
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If I was only armed with a box of candy and a hooded sweatshirt and some crazy dude was stalking me with a gun, I'd probably punch him in the face in an attempt to not get shot in the chest. Hell, even if I didnt know the guy who was stalking me had a gun, he'd still be deserving of a punch in the damn face for stalking me.
Gordon Shumway
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I think Zimmerman should have listened to the police dispatcher who told him not to pursue? Seems to me we'd have not much to talk about if he'd waited by the mailboxes, like it was suggested. Then again, how could he have ended up being a hero if he did that?
elrechazado
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Wait, this is Trayvon??
IIRC that's the fake trayvon photo that's been on stupid places like 4chan and facebook. Even if it's real, it's shockingly irrelevant to anything.
soundahfekz
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Wait, this is Trayvon??
No, that's not trayvon. It has been confirmed to be a fake several times and who ever circulated it had a clear agenda.
Devolution
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Gotta play up the fact that Trayvon was a delinquent with pics that aren't even him.
Count Dookkake
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Even if that pic was him, so what?
Just a pic of a kid doing a stupid pose.
Just a pic of a kid doing a stupid pose.
DrForester
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Setting aside other things, if someone were to start a fight with me, and I was carrying a gun, I would use it to defend myself.
This case is going to be all about the fact that Zimmerman followed this guy, and that he made the choice to initiate contact with Trayvon. How Florida's law will apply then, who knows. I'm sure the prosecutors will thing long and hard if they should go for a Murder, or a manslaughter charge, but truth be told either one may be hard to prove.
Said it before but the real community outrage needs to be directed at the officers doing a piss poor investigation. An unarmed child was killed, and from the sound of it, there's no forensic evidence collected. They didn't keep Zimmerman's clothing, and it seems to be just a very poor job of things. It seems that the only forensic evidence that the prosecutors will have is the trajectory of the bullet, showing if he was shot in the black or the front, and maybe if there are any signs of a struggle on Trayvon's body, since nothing was taken into evidence on Zimmerman's. Hopefully officers at least took pictures of the scene.
Foxy Fox 39
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Even if it his him that new comparison is still biased. It doesn't show Zimmerman throwing up the middle finger or pointing a gun at the camera. That picture is completely out of touch with what is happening its not even funny. Treyvon was never arrested. Martin was.
I honestly can't believe you posted that. Of course it makes it worse its not trayvon.
I honestly can't believe you posted that. Of course it makes it worse its not trayvon.
soundahfekz
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That's what I'm saying. As if a picture somehow makes everyone go "ah I understand now, shut this one down boys"
Devolution
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Of course it is, but you know how these things go.
MightyHealthy
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Here's a REAL "new" pic of Trayvon that was in my morning newspaper:
Here's a REAL "new" pic of Trayvon that was in my morning newspaper:
ACK! A head cover! Has suspicious written all over it. Where you can't see it. On the inside.
I hated skiing as a kid. Clearly shows how twisted this kid's life was and how he grew up into a demented individual.
elrechazado
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I bet he stole that snowboard, and look at the cocaine all over the ground behind him. Drug dealer.
TheNatural
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So if this guy gets off; couldn't there be vigilante justice, someone techncally go up to him and call him a piece of shit child killer and spit in his face, get him to thrown a punch, then drop him with a bullet in the head? That person would get off clean.
The fake one I assume, right?
They already were taking the picture at face value earlier in the thread and in other places the picture has been circulating.
Dreams-Visions
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Here's a REAL "new" pic of Trayvon that was in my morning newspaper:
Ski googles?
HE MUST BE PLANNING TO USE THEM TO MASK HIS FACE IN HIS NEXT ROBBERY.
On a side note, I'm an expert level skiier and have been to a number of nice tracks. If anyone is interested in learning, I recommend going to take a couple lessons and joining a ski club.
Here's a REAL "new" pic of Trayvon that was in my morning newspaper:
Black people don't snowboard!!! He's playing an act! The kid is a thug!!!
*ski bro fist*
ok thanks fellas. yeah i only asked just to find out if it was legit. there's still a lot of this case that i'm learning about. i haven't really read detailed reports cuz well it's hard (it's very disturbing) i just happened to hear his attorney speak of this on my local news channel the other day and i was like, well, whether Zimmerman got a broken/bloodied nose or not, he still sounds like he trying to justify murder of an unarmed individual, a child for that matter. another thing, as far as his family and friends defending him (Zimmerman), they need to look at signs (past and present) of any type of mental disturbance or changes. sometimes u can't see these things outright. but u sometimes little things may be a clue as to somebody breaking down mentally you know? i say this cuz, it's always: "oh i would've never thought he'd do something like this" "he loves everybody." and the most recent: "he has black friends." defending your love ones in a situation like this, isn't gonna make things better. get him the help he needs
To a reasonable person, yes. But so many are aching to validate the stereotype of a young black man. If Trayvon conformed to that stereotype, he would obviously invite suspicion and perhaps even assault Zimmerman. Also, who are you going to believe? Zimmerman or that kid? He's obviously a delinquent.
Really, the intentions of those who propagate and embrace that picture are transparent. It's quite useful in identifying their underlying motivations.
Baconsammy
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Conservative sites using pics like the one shown to be a fake are just as manipulative as liberal sites using pics of him when he was 11. One group wants to illicit sympathy for the boy and rage towards Zimmerman for killing what appears to be a very innocent looking child, and the other side wants to show Trayvon as a threat deserving of what he got. I think they're both incredibly disingenuous, but based on the current facts I'm definitely in Trayvon's corner. Zimmerman was told to back the hell off and he ignored the order and ended up murdering an unarmed teen. And yet he's walking free.
Is that really fair to say though?
I mean, when a kid dies in a tragic way (regardless of race), doesn't news media usually show a innocent pic of the kid (with the pic sometimes being one that was taken years before the death)?
Dreams-Visions
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*dap*
Devolution
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http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/natalee-holloway-family-photos#id=1
You were saying?
Showing childhood pictures of a young person whose life was cut tragically short is nothing new.
Baconsammy
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More often than not they use the one pic given to them by the family of the victim. In cases as huge as this where there's a huge rift in opinion between right and left, the content is chosen very specifically. It's not uncommon and it definitely feels less manipulative to use photos of the victim as a child. I personally despise the tactic the right often uses to paint the victim as a criminal.
I don't think he said it was anything new but manipulative. Thus, bringing up Natalee Holloway child photos used by the press only emphasizes his point more.
Learn2read
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Huh? One's real and one's fake. The fuck is wrong with you?
Devolution
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They were used by everybody. It happens. I don't really care that much one way or the other. He said it was a liberal thing in this case, my point is when someone is killed so young, those are the photos displayed.
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