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Elex |OT| Gothic 5: Risen From Jank
- Thread starter Moff
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I mean, if you were to compile a list of things that each game does DOS 2 might come out ahead because it's a more polished experience, higher presentation values, better music, better voice acting. I feel Elex approaches gear/loot far better than DOS 2 does though, it's not even close. Getting weapon upgrades feels like a huge reward in this game and its all hand placed loot. The choice and consequence feels quite a bit better too from my experience so far. The combat is definitely not as good, DOS 2 has better presentation values like I said but I guess it depends on what you value the most.
arts&crafts
Member
I need an alchemy guide. If its anything like Risen 3, you need to not use attribute potions until a certain level to get the most of it.
OmegaDL50
Member
Doing some research online in regards to character planning.
I'm not sure how accurate this information may be, It probably can be verified using cheat engine or something though.
Attributes apparently have a cap of 100, so theoretically getting to level 50 would give you enough attribute points (490 at 50) to max out all 5 Attributes to 100.
Also most your damage is derived from Skills you learn and the timing based combo system and not so much character stats.
Using the Personality skills Attribute which lets you earn 1 extra attribute point per level and Attribute Points which you can get 10 Attribute points for each point invested (maxed out at 3 for 30 points total) and the Elex Drink you should be able to get to this stat cap sooner.
So I wonder what the most optimal path would be for those that like to min max. I suppose finding those Elex Drinks and Large Elex Drinks would help.
There is a confirmed list of locations of them too.
https://guides.gamepressure.com/elex/guide.asp?ID=41996
The game has only been out for a few days but this guide is very comprehensive. I'd avoid using it for those that want their first run to be full of surprises on their own.
I'm not sure how accurate this information may be, It probably can be verified using cheat engine or something though.
Attributes apparently have a cap of 100, so theoretically getting to level 50 would give you enough attribute points (490 at 50) to max out all 5 Attributes to 100.
Also most your damage is derived from Skills you learn and the timing based combo system and not so much character stats.
Using the Personality skills Attribute which lets you earn 1 extra attribute point per level and Attribute Points which you can get 10 Attribute points for each point invested (maxed out at 3 for 30 points total) and the Elex Drink you should be able to get to this stat cap sooner.
So I wonder what the most optimal path would be for those that like to min max. I suppose finding those Elex Drinks and Large Elex Drinks would help.
There is a confirmed list of locations of them too.
https://guides.gamepressure.com/elex/guide.asp?ID=41996
The game has only been out for a few days but this guide is very comprehensive. I'd avoid using it for those that want their first run to be full of surprises on their own.
Attributes sadly require 2 points per lvl after 30, not sure if it gets even more expensive later on.
arts&crafts
Member
It takes 2 attribute points from 30-31(up to 60) and 5 attribute points to go from 60-61 in an attribute (up to 100) so it would take 280 attribute points to level up one attribute to 100.
When you do the mission to meet the albs right at the beginning, go into the converter right of them. In the corner is a chest, which contains a ring that gives you +20hp and +10 stamina.
Only just found it after 15 hours, would have made my life so much easier early on.
Once you got the stat requirements to carry a decent damage weapon (40+) you start to hit pretty decently with your combo to kill most of the monsters. Just the really big and strong ones need more power.
Only just found it after 15 hours, would have made my life so much easier early on.
Once you got the stat requirements to carry a decent damage weapon (40+) you start to hit pretty decently with your combo to kill most of the monsters. Just the really big and strong ones need more power.
OmegaDL50
Member
So then that would mean tons of reliance of Alchemy and making Elex Potions then.
The guide I linked to has the locations of the recipes to learn them at least.
While the guide itself is useful, I was hoping there would be a PDF version, which would make it convenient to use on my tablet (it loads web pages slow, so using a PDF is a bit quicker)
The guide I linked to has the locations of the recipes to learn them at least.
While the guide itself is useful, I was hoping there would be a PDF version, which would make it convenient to use on my tablet (it loads web pages slow, so using a PDF is a bit quicker)
loganclaws
Plane Escape Torment
It's really stupid that you can't see numerical values for your stats, how are we supposed to evaluate if a +10 hp ring is significant or not without actually buying it and equipping it...
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Hold on, are these loading times really this short? Crazy difference compared to their previous games and I just have to mention Witcher 3 that has insane loading times on console once you enter Velen. I'm impressed!
arts&crafts
Member
There are literally no load times that I can recall. It takes about 5 seconds to load the game and then no load times forever. Even teleporting is essentially instant with no load time.
Moff
Member
oh it gets worse, there are even perks where it is unclear what they actually do. there are like 3 or 4 perks which simply increase damage or attack value or whatever, but there is no way you can know what that actually means.
definitely a flaw of the game and it's not comprehensible why they chose to do it that way.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
But I'm assuming you play on PC? I'm on Xbox One and right in the beginning after meeting Duras I died because I was going into a direction I shouldn't have gone into and it took a out 10 seconds I think to load the save game. But compared to Risen 1 on 360,even though it's a crazy improvement. PB has really improved when it comes to developing games for console.
I love how everything is so lively too, like the trees and foliage swaying in the wind. I love that kinda stuff and I didn't expect it from this dev.
arts&crafts
Member
Ah true, dying. Yea I am on PC on a SSD but still it is surprising how few loads there are.
texhnolyze
Banned
Yeah, according to what I've seen so far, this game has the potential to be something great. However, it's hampered with the lack of polish and budget. Especially budget as I could see that they were all out in some aspects of the game while the other aspects seem very lacking. Also, I feel that the game needs some quality of life patches.
Yeah, it's impressive that you can jump straight to the game in a matter of seconds from desktop (I did the skip intro trick).
Yeah, I've seen the skills and perks and most of them are very vague.
Like, 'Give extra damage from physical attacks'. How much extra damage, exactly?
arts&crafts
Member
The worst is "+1 to combat rating"...what is combat rating? Is this literally just a +1 to combat for dialogue checks?
MosquitoSmasher
Member
There are bugs on Xbox One though, one very annoying.
Right now the pause screen is stuck. I can navigate around but not select anything. I have to quit the game completely now.
Also multitasking doesn't go all that well at times. It ruined the party chat for a minute and then came back and sometimes it just hangs.
Right now the pause screen is stuck. I can navigate around but not select anything. I have to quit the game completely now.
Also multitasking doesn't go all that well at times. It ruined the party chat for a minute and then came back and sometimes it just hangs.
It's +10 (ten) for dialogue checks, same with charisma/survival/crafting skills (the ones in Personality tree). I'm focused on getting them now. +1 you'd have for getting any ability in the tree.
Karak
Member
Ya they aint bad tall
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Yup, so the critique by some (myself included) that PB just doesn't learn is true to an extend. Man I remember the abysmal loading times of Risen on 360.
Wish CDPR could improve those loading times somehow some way in Witcher 3. One X should at least improve them a little if those reports are right.
Moff
Member
Southern abessa converter dealer has one for sale
Watching some youtube reviews of the game from PB fans, many sounding very positive. Seems that they finally got ambitious again. I was very doubtful that they had it in them anymore, to make a game as good as Gothic 1&2 again. But, i'm pleased to be wrong.
Don't know when i will be able to play it. But i'm very much looking forward to it.
Don't know when i will be able to play it. But i'm very much looking forward to it.
His Majesty
Banned
Reading all those game press reviews
boredJonathan
Member
I had totally explored that area, but missed the chest as it was technically on the 'roof' of one of those little wooden structures. I didn't see the ramp leading up to it and had completely ignored looking on top of the structure. FYI - there was no lockpicking needed. Was just a regular chest.
Which reminds me - one of my favorite weird quirks is when you try to open a locked chest you don't have the skills for, Jax gruffly says "I'm not good enough for that."
Which, I get what they are going for, but it just sounds like Jax thinks he isn't worthy of whatever is in that chest and is pouting.
Bit the bullet on that Bertram quest too. I got lucky later on with
being able to kill him alone without being labeled a murderer, but the game still registered it as a 'fight'. I was instructed to go talk to Ragnar to clear my name, but since Bertram was part of the quest it wouldn't let me do so. I could properly turn in all the other quests associated with killing him, but everyone around Bertram's body wouldn't talk to me since I was 'picking fights'. This sucked cause the Personality trainer was one of those people. The quest was truly bugged though because even after killing Bertram, I could still speak to Rajika and have her smuggle him out. The best part - talking to Ragnar on my Berserker pledge progress had him deliver both lines for this quest. One about how I found the Cleric and dealt with him, immediately followed by one on how I helped a Cleric escape. My only option was to reload and just have Rajika smuggle him out. That cleared all the quests associated with it properly, and kept all the vendors happy. Shame about Ragnar but I'm not really looking to join the Berserkers anyways.
Finally starting to push out from Goliet though. My hot tip is to work on getting a companion as soon as possible. It's really opened up the way I can play having someone else work with me in combat. Things can still kill me if I play reckless or try and fight Skull enemies - but theres a bit more room for error in letting the companion take a few shots while I heal up, or get some stamina back.
It's totally not polished, but I am just loving my time with this game.
This may have been posted before, but here are some glowing impressions from The Age of Decadence's lead designer.
I need to repat myself and hope this game sells enough for them to make Elex 2 a jump in quality akin Gothic -> Gothic 2.
THQ Nordic seems to give them enough trust and freedom to be ambitious again (which the Risen games lacked /everything to be set in relation ofc.) and the game seems to be selling enough to make the game profitable enough for everyone involved.
After 25 hours Iam 100% sure, that the game will end up in my top 10 list.
And thats with like a hundred complaints:
- Difficulty balance is way off compared to even Gothic 2
- The menu and interface is lackluster
- the game is way too intransparent about character stats and skills
Playing this on Pc in 1440p all I can say is the graphics are fine as they are to me, but abit more polish in the gameplay experience (especially menus and balance) and combat system and Elex 2 could be a smash hit.
THQ Nordic seems to give them enough trust and freedom to be ambitious again (which the Risen games lacked /everything to be set in relation ofc.) and the game seems to be selling enough to make the game profitable enough for everyone involved.
After 25 hours Iam 100% sure, that the game will end up in my top 10 list.
And thats with like a hundred complaints:
- Difficulty balance is way off compared to even Gothic 2
- The menu and interface is lackluster
- the game is way too intransparent about character stats and skills
Playing this on Pc in 1440p all I can say is the graphics are fine as they are to me, but abit more polish in the gameplay experience (especially menus and balance) and combat system and Elex 2 could be a smash hit.
Having put in 5+ hours of serious game time I can say with confidence that this game is fucking brilliant even with all its flaws. True jank. Obviously I am not that far in but the exploration is something I have not seen for ages. Designer placed items and encounters >> RNG crap. Yes the UI is crap and melee combat needs getting used to (unless you have played G2) but the quest design and world design are top notch. Its a better fallout game than bethesda has ever put out.
Thanks.
Well, unfortunately think I've run into my first bugged quest in "Sticky Fingers". Objective leads me to a bar and a pole dancer I can't talk to.
Bummer.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Gotta love that jetpack. Was this guy guarding a area and he didn't let me past him. So I just jetpack onto the roof and down again into that area where I found a U4 robot. Cool stuff, this kind of freedom.
Elex doing the work on Twitch today. Good stuff.
The circle from the exclamation mark ! encompasses the 2 of Evil Within 2... ELEX 2 CONFIRMED!
boredJonathan
Member
LOL i was going to point this out earlier, but figured no one else would get the joke.
JustSomeone
Member
*insert comment about video game media not knowing shit about how to evalute RPGs*
MosquitoSmasher
Member
I haven't played nearly as much as you guys yet but a 4? I'm pretty damn sure that's just absolutely pathetic really.
Usually I always find reviews a decent way to find out if a game is worth it but there are exceptions and a PB is definitely that. I expected low ratings here and there but a 4 is just sad.
Moff
Member
thanks a lot for posting this, finally someone else who loves Elex, that makes 2 of us
Very detailed and correct assessment of the games strengths and brilliant mechanics that hold it together, despite it's shortcomings. dude sure knows about his craft.
LCKellow1994
Neo Member
I learnt very quickly that I shouldn't be so forthcoming about being a former Alb when talking to any NPC in this game.
Elven_Star
Member
Can't find anything satisfying to play after Divinity: Original Sin 2. Can't really enjoy anything anymore =( Shadow of War, Tyranny, and Grim Dawn went down the drain one after another. Can this game prevail? Those reviews are really really worrying, though.
His Majesty
Banned
That actually seems to be the case here. It is very telling that there is a massive difference in reception between mainstream outlets such as IGN, Gamespot and sites like RPGcodex and RPGwatch. IGN and Gamespot seem to focus on technical issues, bugs and the rough combat, which is understandable and worth addressing. But they don't seem to get the concept of the game. They don't know what to do with the freedom being offered. Two very similar excerpts from both reviews which clearly indicate that they really don't understand games like ELEX or Gothic.
Gamespot said:
IGN said:
There are difficult enemies walking around in the beginning area? That must be bad game design. The game could not possible want me to return later to kill this particular enemy and avoid it for the time being. Neither is there any mention of the wealth of choice and consequence on display here, possibly one of the most important aspects in an RPG.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
It seems there is no carry weight in this? Which would be fiiiiiiine with me really. Also, is there no junk to sell in stores? In some RPGs there's one button to sell all unusable stuff.
I wouldn't put too much stock into reviews. The only review I watched was ACG's and that was enough for me. I know what to expect from PB and they actually managed to surprise me with a few things.
Combat is definitely more janky and different than most other RPGs, same goes for animations but I honestly don't even find it that bad. Facial expressions are crap, no denying that but this world so far (and I'm only at the start) is awesome to explore, thanks to the jetpack you have all the freedom you need. From what I've heard lots of great quests with multiple things to choose from.
Try to buy it at a place where they accept returns if you just can't get into it.
I wouldn't put too much stock into reviews. The only review I watched was ACG's and that was enough for me. I know what to expect from PB and they actually managed to surprise me with a few things.
Combat is definitely more janky and different than most other RPGs, same goes for animations but I honestly don't even find it that bad. Facial expressions are crap, no denying that but this world so far (and I'm only at the start) is awesome to explore, thanks to the jetpack you have all the freedom you need. From what I've heard lots of great quests with multiple things to choose from.
Try to buy it at a place where they accept returns if you just can't get into it.
Moff
Member
I enjoy it a lot more than Divinity 2, they are very different RPGs, though, obviously.
To enjoy Elex, you might need to be familiar with Piranha Bytes RPG design and most certainly need to be ready to be underpowered for at least a dozen hours because that's how the character/gear progression is built.
Both the IGN and Gamespot reviewers have been very frustrated with that and did not understand what the game was trying to achieve. They did not understand why they could not defeat every enemy they encounter so they blamed the combat system and wrote the game off.
I am curious and also a bit afraid to see how PB will react to the catastrophic reception of the game, in Risen 3 they put out a balancing patch rather quickly, I really hope they don't ruin Elex with that now.
Can't wait for the Angry joe review btw.
Is it really catastrophic aside from professional reviewrs with weird complaints?
Most of the people that actually seem to be giving it a chance seem to love it.