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What do you expect for a PS5 / NEXTBOX?
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fordian
Neo Member
2019 or 2020.
NOT native 4K unless they can hit ~12tflops. Resolution scales linearly with hardware, and there are many 900p games this gen, so if we want a 6x res improvement we'll need 6x the hardware (e.g. 11-12tflops).
12tflops is unlikely to me. I'm guessing 8-10 with Ryzen and 16gb of memory for $399. So we'll continue to see upscaling and checkerboard rendering next gen.
There will not be a mid-gen refresh or subsequent iterative hardware progress. 8K will remain irrelevant for some time and so will VR.
All in all, I'm expecting a fairly sizable increase in capability but nothing earth shattering, similar to the leap over last gen. The industry will continue to inch towards CGI-quality visuals, and 60fps will remain elusive.
Edit: Also, Microsoft will name their next console "Xbox 5" to match Sony. They'll count Scorpio as their fourth if they need an excuse.
NOT native 4K unless they can hit ~12tflops. Resolution scales linearly with hardware, and there are many 900p games this gen, so if we want a 6x res improvement we'll need 6x the hardware (e.g. 11-12tflops).
12tflops is unlikely to me. I'm guessing 8-10 with Ryzen and 16gb of memory for $399. So we'll continue to see upscaling and checkerboard rendering next gen.
There will not be a mid-gen refresh or subsequent iterative hardware progress. 8K will remain irrelevant for some time and so will VR.
All in all, I'm expecting a fairly sizable increase in capability but nothing earth shattering, similar to the leap over last gen. The industry will continue to inch towards CGI-quality visuals, and 60fps will remain elusive.
Edit: Also, Microsoft will name their next console "Xbox 5" to match Sony. They'll count Scorpio as their fourth if they need an excuse.
Crazy_KiD_169
Neo Member
I expect an AI like Alexa to control the software with on at least one of the consoles. Lol
How about devs not blindly chasing 4K resolution at the cost of everything else?
You know doesn't mix? 4K and object and shadows Pop in & abrupt close up LOD transitions & poor AF.
There are fundamental aspects on which these finite computation power ought to be spent instead of trying to go native 4K.
You know doesn't mix? 4K and object and shadows Pop in & abrupt close up LOD transitions & poor AF.
There are fundamental aspects on which these finite computation power ought to be spent instead of trying to go native 4K.
Helen Keller the Musical
Member
I at the very last want 1080p standard.
How about this: 2 to 3 times more GPU power than Xbox One X, similar increases in RAM and memory bandwidth. Plus the expected generational leap in CPU since we'd be going from Jaguar to Zen 2 or Zen 3, and then instead of using that for 4K games, make games look as close to offline rendered CG as possible, with immense polygon counts and next-gen lighting, and effects running at 1280 x 720p and 60fps.
Not long ago, we saw a recreation of Toy Story 1 CGI done in real-time in Kingdom Hearts 3 running on PS4 at 1080p 30fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDadVrBr1Y
Now think about what could be done with an 8x leap in power, sacrificing resolution (but still maintaining the minimum HD resolution of 720p) and going nuts on complexity, lighting and effects at 60fps. For certain genres, it could be a game changer.
Not long ago, we saw a recreation of Toy Story 1 CGI done in real-time in Kingdom Hearts 3 running on PS4 at 1080p 30fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDadVrBr1Y
Now think about what could be done with an 8x leap in power, sacrificing resolution (but still maintaining the minimum HD resolution of 720p) and going nuts on complexity, lighting and effects at 60fps. For certain genres, it could be a game changer.
That unfortunately doesn't sound very next gen at all.
Soleil rouge
Member
I'm hoping for some sort of innovation that really gets people talking again, rather than just slightly better graphics and higher resolution. Highly doubt that'll happen so I suppose a huge increase in CPU power will have to suffice. Personally, I really want developers to make revolutionary strides in open world games.
Bigby_Wolf
Banned
I don't expect 8K being a factor and tech for 4k60fps (with modern graphics) will be dirt cheap meaning we will have the best hardware for the resolution that we will have had since high def became a thing.
Exciting.
Exciting.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
No disk drives, totally digital
I don't think 3-4years is enough for hardware that can do 4k60 to become cheap enough for consoles. Most games don't even do 1080p 60 now and probably still won't for a while. We'll never get 60hz as a given because it's way easier to beef up the internal rendering resolution and drop for the next lowest milestone. 5k 6k sure but you won't see more than a handful of games next gen that are 4k running at framerate.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
I expect at least a 2TB SSHD as a standard minimum
I expect CPU to rival a mid-gen i7 at least
16 gigs of RAM or more
GPU at 1070 level or higher
I expect CPU to rival a mid-gen i7 at least
16 gigs of RAM or more
GPU at 1070 level or higher
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Will never happen
I certainly hope not. I look at disdain at all those who purchase non-Apple laptops lacking optical drives.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
If it happens one day and not just as a special lite version of a console (like it becomes the new normal) you can tell me told ya so.
Ill be waiting a long time to hear that, I think
People have been predicting the death of digital media for about 6 years now
As long as data/bandwidth caps exist there will always be physical media demands
In 2030+ and PS7 maybe, but not next gen.
Phatosaurus
Member
Serious post.
I do expect a Ryzen laptop CPU, possibly a custom 8 core model with a 2.7-3Ghz core clock at most.
GPU will likely be Vega based. Somewhere in the ballpark of 16Gb of GDDR5. I don't think more than that would be necessary for 4K, nor feasible in term of manufacturing cost.
The graphical leap from X1X to PS5/XB2 will seem marginally to most, but the extra RAM and better CPU will allow developers to develop games they couldn't otherwise make while targeting existing hardware.
We'll still see games using resolution scalers, adaptive resolutions, and 30FPS when required. That's just how consoles have and will always be because developers will always have to make sacrifices when making a game for fixed hardware.
As for Nintendo, I think they may have struck gold with the Switch. We could see them iterating on that hardware like Apple have with the iPad and just improve the specs/reduce the size for some years.
I do expect a Ryzen laptop CPU, possibly a custom 8 core model with a 2.7-3Ghz core clock at most.
GPU will likely be Vega based. Somewhere in the ballpark of 16Gb of GDDR5. I don't think more than that would be necessary for 4K, nor feasible in term of manufacturing cost.
The graphical leap from X1X to PS5/XB2 will seem marginally to most, but the extra RAM and better CPU will allow developers to develop games they couldn't otherwise make while targeting existing hardware.
We'll still see games using resolution scalers, adaptive resolutions, and 30FPS when required. That's just how consoles have and will always be because developers will always have to make sacrifices when making a game for fixed hardware.
As for Nintendo, I think they may have struck gold with the Switch. We could see them iterating on that hardware like Apple have with the iPad and just improve the specs/reduce the size for some years.
The GPUs in the next consoles will most definitely *not* be Vega based. It uses far too much power, today in PC cards, and will be completely outdated in 2019/2020. Vega was originally targeted for a late 2016 release for PCs, then got pushed to H1 2017, and didn't actually reach consumers until a few months ago.
AMD Navi is due in 2019 on 7nm and certainly that will be the GPU architecture PS5 and NEXTBOX GPUs are derived from, not counting custom features Sony/MS may ask for that don't show up on the PC side until 'Next Gen' GPU architecture on 7nm+ in 2020+
While PS5 and NextBox GPUs may or may not have anything in common with AMD 'Next Gen' feature wise, there's basically no question their GPUs will be based on Navi.
Phatosaurus
Member
The GPUs in the next consoles will most definitely *not* be Vega based. It uses far too much power, today in PC cards, and will be completely outdated in 2019/2020. Vega was originally targeted for a late 2016 release for PCs, then got pushed to H1 2017, and didn't actually reach consumers until a few months ago.
AMD Navi is due in 2019 on 7nm and certainly that will be the GPU architecture PS5 and NEXTBOX GPUs are derived from, not counting custom features Sony/MS may ask for that don't show up on the PC side until 'Next Gen' GPU architecture on 7nm+ in 2020+
While PS5 and NextBox GPUs may or may not have anything in common with AMD 'Next Gen' feature wise, there's basically no question their GPUs will be based on Navi.
That's a fair point about the power consumption. Though Vega 20 is stated for next year running on 14nm+, according to AMD, they'll have cards with a TDP between 150w-300w.
https://wccftech.com/amd-working-14nm-vega-2-0-compete-nvidias-volta-2018/
Depends when next gen starts really, if we're looking at PS5/XB1 dropping in 2019, it'll likely be Vega based. If it's 2020 or later, then Navi.
Vega 20 yeah I think that's going to be on TSMC's "12nm" process like Nvidia's Volta, according to the latest AMD call, but regardless of what process the Vega refresh is on, Navi seems to fit the timeline for next-gen consoles, with a proper process shrink, and Navi is meant to feature more scalability.
You're right it does depend on when next gen hardware launches. I think if PS5 is late 2019 it'll straight up use a Navi 10-like GPU. If one or both new consoles launch in fall 2020 they'll either use Navi or Navi+ some Next Gen features, even though it wouldn't be the actual Next Gen GPU (anymore than PS4 Pro GPU is Vega even though it has 2 features from Vega. PS4 Pro GPU is mostly Polaris). If say. Xbox Next doesn't come until after PS5, a year later, in fall 2021, then it will probably use the Next Gen GPU on 7nm+, or just a beefier Navi on 7nm. I don't see any scenario where next-gen console uses Vega, unless they're launching next year in fall 2018 which is practically impossible. Maybe only if Sony pulls out a PS4 Ultra with 8TF GPU to counter X1X. I don't see that happening.
If PS5 and Xbox Next get mid-gen upgrades in the middle of the 2020s, they'll use whatever GPU AMD has for 5nm, assuming AMD survives.
Sosokrates
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Quite frankly I really dont care for next gen, visuals on the pro and X are more then enough for me and in terms of game design next gen will see a really small jump, A game dev can create anything they want with the current hardware, all next gen will do is have visuals like the latest tech demos, but in terms of game mechanics,world size, world interaction and AI complexity the games will be very similare to current gen.
This will change when next gen consoles get a strong CPU like RyZen (be it Zen 2 or whatever) because that will open up far greater possibilities for gameplay, world simulation, world size, AI complexity, and if developers choose, 60fps in a greater percentage of games than current gen...even though there will always be games that run at 30fps no matter the hardware because many developers choose to push the most complex graphics they can per frame.
LOL, 8K is a total waste and almost no one will have an 8K set by the time PS5 launches.
And 8K textures? Good luck with that even with 32GB RAM. Not happening.
4K will be the maximum resolution of console games for a long time.
except for Titanfall 2 on Xbox One X before the recent fix!
Madeiras
Neo Member
Not happening, PS5 will be a much better Xbox One X but 8k?
People going around saying next gen will be less than $500 and you come saying 8k resolution?
Something is not right.
Ok fair enough atleast 8k movie support. I think by 2020 we'll see 8k happening more.
eso76
Member
Uhhh..then just drop support for regular PS4 and Xbox One and have X and Pro be the base models.
Lol, no.
8k talks need to die before people start taking them seriously.
Should never be a thing outside of cinemas or when we have affordable 8k projectors.
Real_Madrid
Member
Those specs seem a little bit much for 400 euro.
I'm not an expert, but the Xbox One X will be around 400 euro probably next year, so it seems to me that they cannot have that much more specs than the X, when they release it late 2019.
Madeiras
Neo Member
Thats reasonable but we all know sony likes to sell their own Blu-Ray players so maybe sony just drop a 4K player on the PS5 and say PS5 is a console not a 8K player.
Time will tell.
My opinion the big PS5 weapon will be GPU.
Real_Madrid
Member
The PS5 will be a 400 euro console, at that price point you cannot have high end expensive technology.
Madeiras
Neo Member
True plus 9TF GPU doesnt need 20 GB of GDDR5 Ram. I dont wanna be negative but those specs he mention looks like 2 gens ahead.
yurinka
Member
PS5:
-Current PC-like HW architecture
-AMD Navi 7nm
-16GB+ of super fast RAM
-Full BC, games from previous gens in the store
-Around 12 teraflops, true 4K for most new games but not all
-$400
-2TB HDD
-Focus on games
-Still accept bluray
-PSVR2 with something like a Leapmotion camera in the headset to track hands/fingers as new control
-2020
-No AA bateries
Next Xbox:
-MS quits from HW, licenses other manufacturers like Razor, Alienware, Asus or Samsung to make their own Xbox like Steam machines
-Next Xbox will have base HW minimum specs very similar to PS5, manufacturers can make it more powerful if desired
-Fully integrated Xbox UI/OS and Windows 10 MS store: turn your PC into an Xbox or viceversa
-MS future games on PS5, not only Minecraft
-VR support
-No sports, sports, tv, tv bullshit
-2020
-Current PC-like HW architecture
-AMD Navi 7nm
-16GB+ of super fast RAM
-Full BC, games from previous gens in the store
-Around 12 teraflops, true 4K for most new games but not all
-$400
-2TB HDD
-Focus on games
-Still accept bluray
-PSVR2 with something like a Leapmotion camera in the headset to track hands/fingers as new control
-2020
-No AA bateries
Next Xbox:
-MS quits from HW, licenses other manufacturers like Razor, Alienware, Asus or Samsung to make their own Xbox like Steam machines
-Next Xbox will have base HW minimum specs very similar to PS5, manufacturers can make it more powerful if desired
-Fully integrated Xbox UI/OS and Windows 10 MS store: turn your PC into an Xbox or viceversa
-MS future games on PS5, not only Minecraft
-VR support
-No sports, sports, tv, tv bullshit
-2020
Not going to happen and thank goodness!!
gamerforever
Banned
I dont think sony are stupid enough to go for a $500 machine at launch. Microsoft probably are though...
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
One of the biggest things I would like to see is 21:9 support for games consoles.
Tarin02543
Member
I would like for the CPU to be as important as the GPU.
What I want to see is more physics.
What I want to see is more physics.
In my dreams...
Intel Knights Landing (actually the 3rd gen version Knights Hill) + AMD Navi / Next Gen GPU / 64 GB HBM3 (2TB/sec bandwidth).
Games can also be streamed from server farms where devs can use more processing resources to render games than what you have at home. Will allow PlayStation to slowly shift to a service in 10-15 years. Games will eventually look indistinguishable from high-end CGI. Square Enix being one of the top developers for this sort of platform.
Of course, none of this will happen. It's just a dream 15 years ahead of time.
In the future, you won't buy a PS7, developers will upgrade their servers to PS7 standards, and you will get better games. Assuming the internet infrastructure gets to a certain level to support such an endeavor.
This is crazy talk.
Shin
Banned
Depends on the amount of memory they are equipped with, should range between 16-24-32GB of GDDR6 and I believe that has 64GB/s
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
Before that , can we just say no to next gen !
ps4 after that pro and the same goes for Xbox.. we need to calm the fuck down , keep up the excellent games and I'm happy let me just make memories with my console ! , then after that bring whatever you want
ps4 after that pro and the same goes for Xbox.. we need to calm the fuck down , keep up the excellent games and I'm happy let me just make memories with my console ! , then after that bring whatever you want