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MS: Xbox One 40x More Powerful Than 360 with the Cloud, Only 10x Without the Cloud
- Thread starter Horse Armour
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Impeccable
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This also explains why Gies was defending Simcity so much.
I will never be proven wrong on this
Palette Swap
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Even enemy AI stuff doesn't sound asynchronous enough for this to work.
Edit:
Are you implying you've got insider knowledge on this?
Rebel Leader
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Simpsonology
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"Its also been stated that the Xbox One is ten times more powerful than the Xbox 360, so were effectively 40 times greater than the Xbox 360 "
Sure Microsoft, we believe you. Also they sure seem to like number 40, their controller also has "40 design changes".
Sure Microsoft, we believe you. Also they sure seem to like number 40, their controller also has "40 design changes".
That's actually a good comparison: Diablo 3 doesn't do that to lower the processing load on your local system in any way (and it doesn't) -- it's exclusively a DRM measure. And in turn you get latency in single-player games and a title that is unplayable for the majority of its customers for over a week (not that they were missing much in hindsight).
SRTtoZ
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Is that why Diablo 3 lags like a bitch for the first few minutes of playing every session?
...What? Are you for real? Why would you never be proven wrong? How can you be so sure when you know so little?
Not sure if serious.
Latency is too big to make "the cloud" be only helping a little in rendering. It's either rendering the entire frame, which is then transfered to your console over the network, or it's limited to doing other contiguous calculations, possibly AI routines and such, processes required to output updates at a significantly lower frequency.
Can someone give DF a ring, I'd love to read what they have to say about this horseshit.
I really need examples. Or even just one. If it's such a big part of your system, show it!
Pretty much only latency neutral stuff could be done in the cloud. Which, to my knowledge, there is not a lot of in most popular games except maybe simulations or RTS, which are not big on consoles.
Pretty much only latency neutral stuff could be done in the cloud. Which, to my knowledge, there is not a lot of in most popular games except maybe simulations or RTS, which are not big on consoles.
Is that ban-bet?
"We're going to get into specifics later. Don't miss our presentation at E3!"
Reiko's apprentice has arrive, Please do tell us more..
Snapshot King
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Can someone give me the actual tweets the poster meant for us to see? I'm honestly unsure as to how to dig around in a twitter account.
Dude stop...
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zerokoolpsx
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Latency will be their big problem. Don't see it close to being x40 more powerful.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
I'm in tears here, absolutely amazing corporate buzzword bullshit, how they can keep a straight face I have no idea.
I for one look forward to the day my single player game AI opponent starts suffering from packet-loss related rubberbanding
He's some terms to learn about for for those still maintaining any irrational belief that this isn't bullshit or is in anyway meaningful:
Frame latency in milliseconds for a 60fps game: 16ms
Average net latency for a round trip to internet servers...: much greater than 16ms
Watching Microsoft flail in the way that they are post reveal: priceless!
I for one look forward to the day my single player game AI opponent starts suffering from packet-loss related rubberbanding
He's some terms to learn about for for those still maintaining any irrational belief that this isn't bullshit or is in anyway meaningful:
Frame latency in milliseconds for a 60fps game: 16ms
Average net latency for a round trip to internet servers...: much greater than 16ms
Watching Microsoft flail in the way that they are post reveal: priceless!
Muchi Muchi Pink
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The have Phil Harrison now. So yes.
we.are.the.armada
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I don't think they can. I think that Microsoft is using it like snake oil :/
I can't figure out how they'd use slow ass online storage space, "the cloud", to make graphics or AI better.
The cloud is flavor text while ram or gpu are actual, quantifiable impacts on performance.
That was my first thought after the reveal focus on cloud computing. It's an interesting coincidence.
krypt0nian
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Please look up DopeyFish's IP and send an ambulance.
Rebel Leader
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We have a cloud non-believer among us.. oh wait
it's the URL's that are messed up
GreggTheGrimReaper
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Bingo.
But I have games that run entirely from discs right now. Why the fuck would I wish I had this sooner?
SneakyStephan
Banned
Microsoft pls
Uno Venova
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Haha, you know anyone who can get close is just gonna take the bullshit.
PeakPointMatrix
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That's just scratching the surface. How the fuck are devs going to code their games for some variable pie in the sky processing bullshit? If it ever goes offline in the future, the entire X1 library dies. Jesus what a clusterfuck.
Man-is-Obsolete
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NullPointer
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Yeah, I wouldn't describe what its doing as extending the "power" of PCs playing the game, but that offloading could make way for MMO-like events and dynamic tweaks to each gameplay session that could add some flair. Maybe the game does something special for your birthday, or puts special settings into effect on holidays, whatever. Or new enemies and items and abilities could be streamed into the game. Mod support too.
None of that seems like secret sauce or POWA though.
Play Diablo 3 on PC. That day has come.I for one look forward to the day my single player game AI opponent starts suffering from packet-loss related rubberbanding
You'll at least acknowledge Nintendo could make the Wii U 80X more powerful if they wanted to then. Right? Cause nothing about cloud is exclusive to MS.
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Gemüsepizza;58887121 said:
better. I tried search what you were posting but never found these
Jake Tower
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Quantum Computing. It knows what game and inputs you will use before you do so it can process them ahead of time.
No, because most of them have no fucking clue and will eat up every bite of horseshit that PR feeds them.
mugurumakensei
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Well, now we know why EA is partnering with MS. SimCity: The world's best cloud centered game made better on XBox one.
I'll be expecting my check from EA and MS in a week.
I'll be expecting my check from EA and MS in a week.
Gaikai is rendering the entire game remotely and transferring the frame to you, that's completely different than running part of the game locally and part of the game (still having to be real time presented by the local hardware when it gets back mind you) rendering it on servers somewhere is huge latency and an upload rate that isn't feasible for most of the world.
They'll just snark it on a podcast where it's safe, sigh.
Unspeakable Evil
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tfur
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They are just piggy backing off of their Azure installation.
There is nothing new that Azure does in comparison to other cloud computation services.
This is all deflection PR, and marketing for their services and pay walls.
zomgbbqftw
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Nah, Reiko was just naive, this guy is definitely worse.
Reiko was still a decent poster, just easily mislead by hype and being overenthusiastic.