What are you expecting? The show had me on the edge of my seat the entire season. Lots of twists and turns and unexpected moments.
If you were expecting episode one # of deaths throughout each episode that really wasnt realistic.
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Ozark - Official Trailer (Netflix original series starring Jason Bateman)
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What are you expecting? The show had me on the edge of my seat the entire season. Lots of twists and turns and unexpected moments.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Yeah definitely. He shouldn't have said that. But all in all I definitely feel bad for the guy man.
begged for his life when Del was about to end him. Managed to get out of it but the things he has to do are insane. Then we find out his wife has been cheating on him. In the finale the preacher actually calls him the devil, jeez man.
Long story short, as we saw in the flashback episode. Marty should have never partnered with Del, it however was perfectly understandable that he, they did I should say. His wife knew too.
Long story short, as we saw in the flashback episode. Marty should have never partnered with Del, it however was perfectly understandable that he, they did I should say. His wife knew too.
But great first season. Really enjoyed Jason in this role, he did good. Ruth was fantastic as well. She could get far with future shows or movies maybe. Definitely looking forward to season 2.
I am really excited for season 2 if it happens. I like the Justified/Breaking Bad feel that the show has. It could probably use a little more laughs because damn is it heavy stuff. Almost tough to watch at times.
My wife and I about lost it when the Preacher was going to drown the baby... I really think he was going to do it but changed his mind, he was way too flippant with the baby carrier.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
Season 2 is confirmed
The One and Done
Member
This show was really good. Felt like Breaking Bad from a different angle
lucebuce12
Member
Just wanna say the opening of episode 9 where
fuck so fucking depressing.
This show is amazing.
Jonah gets Tuck to buy an assault rifle for him is....
This show is amazing.
brianjones
Member
what was the deal with the two
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I enjoyed the ride but find the show flawed and could really use some levity
fakeout drowning scenes
I enjoyed the ride but find the show flawed and could really use some levity
Kadayi
Banned
It's a binge watch. An OT would make more sense if it was a weekly show.
I'm hard pressed to think of a show that isn't, so it seems like a pretty milquetoast criticism.
lucebuce12
Member
That's not really a good argument, most if not all of the big Netflix/Streaming shows have gotten OTs. Heck, just now The Defenders gets an OT and it's a binge watch show.
This show was solid. There wasn't a single character I found likeable but they weren't annoying.
It was much, MUCH darker than I expected.
Mad props to Jason Bateman. He turned in a good dramatic performance and he has real directing chops.
The rest of the cast was very good, too. I just thought everyone was an asshole.
It was much, MUCH darker than I expected.
Mad props to Jason Bateman. He turned in a good dramatic performance and he has real directing chops.
The rest of the cast was very good, too. I just thought everyone was an asshole.
Kadayi
Banned
Yes, but that's because it's part of a bigger thing than itself.
I started to watch this show about two days before the season two announcement. I thoroughly enjoyed it, although knowing that season two was definitely coming took a small bit of tension out of the finale. The Marty-Ruth dynamic ended up being my favorite part, and that has a lot of potential moving forward. I can't wait.
I thought it was him. The accent came through when he was asking for lemonade or about that scene.
I liked the show, Bateman is Bateman, love or hate it but I enjoyed his performance. Didn't like the FBI guys, they seem unhinged and stupid, not sure what the point is. Little bit too much accidental things going on to further the plot but it was okay. What was with the drowning, I didn't get that, will to survive? Linney was great, enjoyed Yulin as Buddy. In for season 2.
IISANDERII
Member
Loved the writing. My favourite moment was Marty's speech about Panamanian long odds and coincidences. So good.
Can someone help me put into words what makes the conversations / dialogue so compelling and satisfying in this show? Is there a term for it or do we simply say "this show just has really, really good writing" ?
I can think of so many scenes in the show with these absolutely incredible lengthy conversations. Like 5-min scenes where characters are talking back and forth and I'm at the edge of my seat waiting to see where the conversation will go. It's not like there is always an imminent danger or an intense action sequence in all of these scenes and yet still I'm always on the edge of my seat.
Examples of my favourite conversations in the show:
I can think of so many scenes in the show with these absolutely incredible lengthy conversations. Like 5-min scenes where characters are talking back and forth and I'm at the edge of my seat waiting to see where the conversation will go. It's not like there is always an imminent danger or an intense action sequence in all of these scenes and yet still I'm always on the edge of my seat.
Examples of my favourite conversations in the show:
1st example: 1st episode, when Del is confronting Bruce and company about skimming money from the cartel
2nd example: 1st episode again, right after the above scene, when Marty Byrde is convincing Del of a business opportunity in the Ozarks
3rd example: The scene after Ruth steals $3 million from Marty Byrde. Marty confronts Ruth and the rest of the Langmores and they have a wonderful back and forth. Marty's repeated use of the phrase "And don't forget, the only way for any of this to work is for you to kill me" was incredible.
4th example: The scene where Marty Byrde meets with Bobby Dean, strip club owner, in jail. And he slowly reveals that he knows the strip club is a money laundering front and that he is in possession of the club's bearer shares.
5th example: The next scene, when Bobby Dean meets with Jacob Snell after he's lost the club to Marty Byrde. Jacob Snell tells a parable of a redneck and a hillbilly.
6th example: The argument between Wendy and Marty Byrde late in the season, which kept cutting mid-argument to Charlotte's precarious swim at the lake.
7th example: When Russ Langmore is trying to convince Ruth to incriminate herself, Ruth realizes what Russ is doing, puts on a sinister smile and says "I have no idea, it was your idea to kill Marty this whole time" and then emphatically and triumphantly pokes his chest with her finger.
8th example: Last episode, when Marty Byrde, Jacob Snell, Darlene, and Del are having a sit-down, discussing the riverboat casino and the Snells' political / vengeful aspirations. This scene in particular ended violently (this was awesome) - not all of the show's awesome conversations end that way. The point stands that there's something about this show's dialogue that really stands out.
2nd example: 1st episode again, right after the above scene, when Marty Byrde is convincing Del of a business opportunity in the Ozarks
3rd example: The scene after Ruth steals $3 million from Marty Byrde. Marty confronts Ruth and the rest of the Langmores and they have a wonderful back and forth. Marty's repeated use of the phrase "And don't forget, the only way for any of this to work is for you to kill me" was incredible.
4th example: The scene where Marty Byrde meets with Bobby Dean, strip club owner, in jail. And he slowly reveals that he knows the strip club is a money laundering front and that he is in possession of the club's bearer shares.
5th example: The next scene, when Bobby Dean meets with Jacob Snell after he's lost the club to Marty Byrde. Jacob Snell tells a parable of a redneck and a hillbilly.
6th example: The argument between Wendy and Marty Byrde late in the season, which kept cutting mid-argument to Charlotte's precarious swim at the lake.
7th example: When Russ Langmore is trying to convince Ruth to incriminate herself, Ruth realizes what Russ is doing, puts on a sinister smile and says "I have no idea, it was your idea to kill Marty this whole time" and then emphatically and triumphantly pokes his chest with her finger.
8th example: Last episode, when Marty Byrde, Jacob Snell, Darlene, and Del are having a sit-down, discussing the riverboat casino and the Snells' political / vengeful aspirations. This scene in particular ended violently (this was awesome) - not all of the show's awesome conversations end that way. The point stands that there's something about this show's dialogue that really stands out.
Conciliator
Banned
About to finish this and it's been great. Casting and acting is so great, even if some of the characters are a bit over the top in some cases. Laura Linney
is pretty much one of the best things you watch on a screen. They do a great job with the plotting, giving significant developments to every episode without feeling like it's going in circles. Ruth is a fuckin badass. Definitely would recommend it.
trying to hold everything in while slowly going crazy
I think part of it is that it's often straight to the point. There are times like when Jacob is reciting the parable about the redneck and the hillbilly but more often than not, it's two people have a frank and direct conversation without the characters teasing at shit for no reason. The drama doesn't come from whether a person will find out some secret but rather people reacting to being told in the moment.
superdeluxe
Member
Very nicely put. Thanks for helping me translate my thoughts into words. I think this explains it.
I was thinking about it more and more and I found two other things that I feel give the show's best conversations that little extra ingredient to change a regular boring conversation into something gripping and compelling:
1st: The show's soundtrack is layered expertly on top of the dialogue. I may be mistaken in thinking something like this happens throughout the whole show, but remember the sit-down with the Snells, Marty, and Del in the final episode? The music that was playing during that scene gave every piece of dialogue a significant amount of weight. All I could think was "the conversation is so cool" and it was like the music was saying the same thing too.
2nd: Marty Byrde's character has this unique ability to say a lot with just his facial expressions. There are moments in the show where he's momentarily speechless, or when he's just thinking thoughtfully, making sure he has the most intelligent and relevant quip available to move the conversation along. An example is right after Marty Byrde buys the strip club from Bobby Dean. He tells the ladies "You deserve respect from the customers and the employers, you have rights, and from this day forth you will never have to give a blowjob again". One of the strippers replies back right away with "Well how the heck do you expect us to make a living then?" Marty was speechless. But he seems to do that a lot. Interesting to think about, given how much impressive dialogue is in the show. During that scene at the strip club, for a minimum of two seconds the camera just focuses on his face - he has no acceptable response for the stripper, and then the camera just cuts to the next scene.
2nd: Marty Byrde's character has this unique ability to say a lot with just his facial expressions. There are moments in the show where he's momentarily speechless, or when he's just thinking thoughtfully, making sure he has the most intelligent and relevant quip available to move the conversation along. An example is right after Marty Byrde buys the strip club from Bobby Dean. He tells the ladies "You deserve respect from the customers and the employers, you have rights, and from this day forth you will never have to give a blowjob again". One of the strippers replies back right away with "Well how the heck do you expect us to make a living then?" Marty was speechless. But he seems to do that a lot. Interesting to think about, given how much impressive dialogue is in the show. During that scene at the strip club, for a minimum of two seconds the camera just focuses on his face - he has no acceptable response for the stripper, and then the camera just cuts to the next scene.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
Yeah exactly. Was especially what made the first two and last two episodes intense for me. No drawn out anticipation, but rather constant fallout.
Amory
Member
Girlfriend and I finished the season last night. It was enjoyable enough, but a lot of the stuff that happens seems really contrived and theres a whole lot of filler in there.
The first 2 episodes made me think I was absolutely going to love this show, and the last episode was decent, but the whole middle 7 I could barely tell you anything specific that happened.
I also dont like the show's tendency to
The first 2 episodes made me think I was absolutely going to love this show, and the last episode was decent, but the whole middle 7 I could barely tell you anything specific that happened.
I also dont like the show's tendency to
kill people off with no real fanfare. Even key characters were just alive one minute and dead the next. Seemed cheap.
It doesn't. It's mediocre. I am not sure where all the praise is coming from.
What other shows have you seen that you think are really good?
Have you seen The Wire, The Leftovers, Deadwood, Sopranos? Have you seen Mad Men or Better Call Saul (I consider the latter a marked improvement over Breaking Bad when it comes to dialogue)? How about The Handmaid's Tale?
All of those shows have better writing than Ozark.
Fucking Baskets has better writing than Ozark.
I think Ozark is solid but I don't think it's exceptional by any means.
I haven't seen The Leftovers, Deadwood, or The Handmaid's Tale.
Looking through my IMDB account, here are all the shows I've given a rating of at least 9/10:
Ozark: 10
Stranger Things: 10
Game of Thrones: 10**
Sense8: 10
The Wire: 10
The Sopranos: 10
The Shield: 10
Breaking Bad: 10
13 Reasons Why: 9
Luke Cage: 9
Better Call Saul: 9
Narcos: 9
Daredevil: 9
American Dad!: 9
Jessica Jones: 9
Orange Is the New Black: 9
House of Cards: 9
Boardwalk Empire: 9
Firefly: 9
Battlestar Galactica: 9
Justified: 9
Sons of Anarchy: 9**
Asterisks next to Game of Thrones (because I detested season 5 so much that I briefly significantly lowered the rating until season 6 finished) and Sons of Anarchy (because the final episode of season 6 and all of season 7 were so stupid). But I liked the rest of Game of Thrones + Sons of Anarchy enough that I could still say overall those shows are really great/entertaining for me.
There's nothing I can say without sounding like an asshole. There's a lot of shows on that list that are leagues below the others IMO.
I mean, you put Luke Cage on the same level as Better Call Saul.
I never felt that at all. The look fits the subject matter.
Primethius
Banned
Is the first episode indicative of the rest? I'm thinking of just dropping it. None of the characters are interesting, some of it is way too try hard and none of the plot points seem interesting.
Impeccable
Member
I mean if I stopped watching TV shows from one episode I wouldn't have watched half the TV I have now.
The first episode hooked me, so I'm thinking the show isn't for you.
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_/¯ FYI I rate on a curve so for Luke Cage in particular, I probably looked at my list of 8/10 scores and said "Hmmmph, I liked Luke Cage better than all of these".The thing I loved the most about the show is the dialogue. The first episode has the scene where
Del confronts Bruce and Marty and their colleagues about stealing money from the cartel
Marty confronts Ruth and the Langmores after they stole $3 million from Marty
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It's why Roger Ebert hated a rating system. You rate something the same as something else doesn't mean it's on the same level. People always equate ratings as a level playing field.
I disagree. I think it does a good job of both mirroring the emotion of the show and the area/setting/people that the show is about.
The one person who I would say was a happy/bright person would be the preacher
even though that turns drastically at the end
sans_pants
avec_pénis
I honestly think this show would have worked better as an anthology series like Fargo. Everything was rushed and there were some huge contrivances.
It's also really inconsistent from episode to episode, and it feels like they are checking stuff off a list of "prestige dramas" with a lot of the emotional stuff that has no time to build
I thought it was fine, but I'd have trouble recommending it unless people had a lot of spare time
It's also really inconsistent from episode to episode, and it feels like they are checking stuff off a list of "prestige dramas" with a lot of the emotional stuff that has no time to build
I thought it was fine, but I'd have trouble recommending it unless people had a lot of spare time
NullPointer
Member
I would watch through the second one to be sure. The first episode is only half the setup imho.
At that point if you're not feeling it you probably won't have your mind changed. Hard to really say for sure though - the show goes places, and at a pretty fast clip.
NullPointer
Member
The first episode piqued my interest, but the second one had me sold. *shrug*
CoffeeExpress
Member
Just started watching this, the first episode is one of the best pilots I have seen. Never been so hooked so quick.
While I enjoyed the second ep, I can't shake the feeling that everybody is an asshole. There is no humor, even the colour tint used is a dull washed out blue - which makes it look even more depressing. Breaking Bad worked cos Walter White devolved into the villain, with Ozark - Jason's character starts off as a complete asshole. It's hard to care much for him.
While I enjoyed the second ep, I can't shake the feeling that everybody is an asshole. There is no humor, even the colour tint used is a dull washed out blue - which makes it look even more depressing. Breaking Bad worked cos Walter White devolved into the villain, with Ozark - Jason's character starts off as a complete asshole. It's hard to care much for him.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Oh, the humor is there. It's incredibly subtle (and kinda dark), but it's there. Breaking Bad tended to go for the very absurd to contrast the darkness. This plays it straight and doesn't linger on the moment too much.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
Member
Friend keeps recommending this show...
My Top fav TV dramas of all time (my taste basically)
Sopranos
The Wire
Mad Men
Bloodline
Breaking Bad
maybe uhmm.. The Affair?
shall I watch it GAF?
My Top fav TV dramas of all time (my taste basically)
Sopranos
The Wire
Mad Men
Bloodline
Breaking Bad
maybe uhmm.. The Affair?
shall I watch it GAF?