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TheTylerDurden · Aug 19, 2017

Massive amazing achievement on the weekend when 800mil worldwide is also achieved!

I'm still holding hope for it to get into the top five superhero movies of all time (domestic), which would mean 410 mil or so to grab the fifth spot, knocking Iron Man 3 out of the way.

It's a stretch, but still possible especially if WB does a 'last chance' for movie theatres campaign before they pull it.

Rktk · Aug 19, 2017

I'm the tallest person with my first name, last name that also had rice and chicken just now this weekend.

Wowfunhappy · Aug 19, 2017

What happens if you adjust for inflation though? These comparisons always strike me as somewhat unfair otherwise.

TheTylerDurden · Aug 19, 2017

Wowfunhappy said:
What happens if you adjust for inflation though? These comparisons always strike me as somewhat unfair otherwise.

I was just thinking about that.

There was a time that I was crazy about going to the movies, and do were all my friends. We'd do it regularly, and the theatres would be pretty packed. Now, giving away my age a bit, there was no internet, there was no streaming service, video on demand, etc. We did have video rental stores (VHS), but the options for watching a movie at home were pretty limited. (and home theatre setups were not common)

Movies were BIG. If you wanted to go out and be entertained, it was the number one go-to.

That's really not the case any more. Movie theatres have been through multiple reinventions of themselves to claw back audiences.

With all this in mind, is an adjustment for inflation really an accurate metric, or even necessary? If you could come up with a way to measure the percentage of population that went to movies and how often they went, you'd find the trend towards going to the movies to be much higher a couple of decades ago, and it's been downhill ever since.

My point here is that it might very well be impossible to track based on pure monetary value. I do see where you're coming from, but I think the formula to calculate equivalency would have to be a whole lot more complex than simply adjusting straight dollars for inflation.

kswiston · Aug 19, 2017

Wowfunhappy said:
What happens if you adjust for inflation though? These comparisons always strike me as somewhat unfair otherwise.

Adjusted for inflation is a BS comparison for other reasons. If you want to know how popular a superhero film was relative to everything else in theatres during its year of release, here you go:

Code:

Rank	Title					DOM Gross	Release Date	Ann. Avg Gross	Avg. Gross Mult
1	The Dark Knight				$534,858,444 	7/18/2008	$55,202,302 	9.69x
2	Marvel's The Avengers			$623,357,910 	5/4/2012	$72,191,281 	8.63x
3	Batman					$251,188,924 	6/23/1989	$33,000,766 	7.61x
4	Spider-Man				$403,706,375 	5/3/2002	$57,563,869 	7.01x
5	Spider-Man 3				$336,530,303 	5/4/2007	$49,880,317 	6.75x
6	Avengers: Age of Ultron			$459,005,868 	5/1/2015	$69,975,569 	6.56x
7	Spider-Man 2				$373,585,825 	6/30/2004	$59,227,007 	6.31x
8	The Dark Knight Rises			$448,139,099 	7/20/2012	$72,191,281 	6.21x
9	Captain America: Civil War		$408,084,349 	5/6/2016	$66,790,970 	6.11x
10	Men in Black				$250,690,539 	7/2/1997	$42,461,771 	5.90x
11	Wonder Woman				$404,000,000 	6/2/2017	$70,000,000 	5.77x
12	Iron Man				$318,412,101 	5/2/2008	$55,202,302 	5.77x
13	Iron Man 3				$409,013,994 	5/3/2013	$72,374,829 	5.65x
14	Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2		$389,000,000 	5/5/2017	$70,000,000 	5.56x
15	Batman Forever				$184,031,112 	6/16/1995	$33,671,473 	5.47x
16	Deadpool				$363,070,709 	2/12/2016	$66,790,970 	5.44x
17	Superman				$134,218,018 	12/15/1978	$25,000,000 	5.37x
18	Guardians of the Galaxy			$333,176,600 	8/1/2014	$65,542,400 	5.08x
19	Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice	$330,360,194 	3/25/2016	$66,790,970 	4.95x
20	Suicide Squad				$325,100,054 	8/5/2016	$66,790,970 	4.87x
21	X-Men: The Last Stand			$234,362,462 	5/26/2006	$50,886,999 	4.61x
22	Spider-Man Homecoming			$315,000,000 	7/7/2017	$70,000,000 	4.50x
23	Batman Returns				$162,831,698 	6/19/1992	$36,199,432 	4.50x
24	The Incredibles				$261,441,092 	11/5/2004	$59,227,007 	4.41x
25	Iron Man 2				$312,433,331 	5/7/2010	$71,180,641 	4.39x
26	Superman II				$108,185,706 	6/19/1981	$25,000,000 	4.33x
27	300					$210,614,939 	3/9/2007	$49,880,317 	4.22x
28	Hancock					$227,946,274 	7/2/2008	$55,202,302 	4.13x
29	Man of Steel				$291,045,518 	6/14/2013	$72,374,829 	4.02x
30	Captain America: The Winter Soldier	$259,766,572 	4/4/2014	$65,542,400 	3.96x
31	Superman Returns			$200,081,192 	6/28/2006	$50,886,999 	3.93x
32	Batman Begins				$206,852,432 	6/15/2005	$54,579,849 	3.79x
33	Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles		$135,265,915 	3/30/1990	$36,642,628 	3.69x
34	The Amazing Spider-Man			$262,030,663 	7/3/2012	$72,191,281 	3.63x
35	X-Men: Days of Future Past		$233,921,534 	5/23/2014	$65,542,400 	3.57x
36	X2: X-Men United			$214,949,694 	5/2/2003	$60,282,246 	3.57x
37	Doctor Strange				$232,641,920 	11/4/2016	$66,790,970 	3.48x
38	The Mask				$119,938,730 	7/29/1994	$34,833,770 	3.44x
39	Big Hero 6				$222,527,828 	11/7/2014	$65,542,400 	3.40x
40	Men in Black II				$190,418,803 	7/3/2002	$57,563,869 	3.31x
41	Logan					$226,122,357 	3/3/2017	$70,000,000 	3.23x
42	X-Men					$157,299,717 	7/14/2000	$48,984,150 	3.21x
43	The Amazing Spider-Man 2		$202,853,933 	5/2/2014	$65,542,400 	3.10x
44	Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2014)	$191,204,754 	8/8/2014	$65,542,400 	2.92x
45	Thor: The Dark World			$206,362,140 	11/8/2013	$72,374,829 	2.85x
46	Fantastic Four (2005)			$154,696,080 	7/8/2005	$54,579,849 	2.83x
47	Dick Tracy				$103,738,726 	6/15/1990	$36,642,628 	2.83x
48	Thor					$181,030,624 	5/6/2011	$66,489,281 	2.72x
49	Captain America: The First Avenger	$176,654,505 	7/22/2011	$66,489,281 	2.66x
50	Fantastic Four: Rise of the Sil. Surfer	$131,921,738 	6/15/2007	$49,880,317 	2.64x

Each film is compared to the average gross of all wide release films (released in at least 600 venues) during the year of its release. I had to estimate 2017's wide release average, so this year's films could move up or down a bit.

This removes complications arising from differences in distribution between era.

MHWilliams · Aug 20, 2017

Again, for the millionth time, once WB starts making great films, the DCEU will coast past some of Marvel's biggest. Batman and Superman alone are top tier, in good projects. Suicide Squad and BvS were poor films that showed the floor, Wonder Woman has shown how high the ceiling can be. I don't lean towards either of the Big Two. While I commend Marvel for taking the Avengers (which are flagship properties, but weren't as popular as say Spider-Man and Wolverine until the films) to the top, DC's Trinity is an amazing anchor to build stuff around.

Just make good films, WB. As a fan of the characters, that's all I've wanted.

Fancyarcher · Aug 20, 2017

Nice. Wonder Woman is easily the box office story of the year. It did way better then I expected too.

DeathyBoy said:
She was always one of DC's big 3.

The narrative she wasn't was always ridiculous. Thankfully this film is conclusive proof.

The films actually did great business because of excellent WOM, not sorely because of Wonder Woman, but because it was also a well-made film. Not saying Wonder Woman isn't popular, but it opened with 103m remember.

jtb · Aug 20, 2017

Wasn't really keeping a close eye on this, good for them I guess. Really strong legs, good WOM.

Film is a mess, but it's more ambitious than anything Marvel has done outside of Winter Soldier, so props where they're due.

QuantumZebra · Aug 20, 2017

Kthulhu said:
I wasn't kidding. Wonder Woman doesn't have nearly as large as pop culture presence as Batman or Superman despite supposedly being one of DCs big 3.

I also wasn't referring to movies. Obviously there will be more of those.

Not anymore, lol. Thanks to DC Super Hero Girls and the film, I see way more WW stuff than Superman now, wayyyy more. More than Batman as well.

I think DC knows that too cause WW2 will be her 2nd solo and 4th overall appearance. More than anyone else.

Super happy for it as well. The film was the best cape flick I've ever seen. Glad Patty is back on board.

Grizzlyjin · Aug 20, 2017

It's nice to see this movie succeed. I really didn't expect it to catch on like it did. I know everyone likes to say they saw it, but things were looking a little shaky when those first projections came out. Luckily it resonated with the audience and had legs.

Bobby Roberts · Aug 20, 2017

kswiston said:

Adjusted for inflation is a BS comparison for other reasons. If you want to know how popular a superhero film was relative to everything else in theatres during its year of release, here you go:

Code:

Rank	Title					DOM Gross	Release Date	Ann. Avg Gross	Avg. Gross Mult
1	The Dark Knight				$534,858,444 	7/18/2008	$55,202,302 	9.69x
2	Marvel's The Avengers			$623,357,910 	5/4/2012	$72,191,281 	8.63x
3	Batman					$251,188,924 	6/23/1989	$33,000,766 	7.61x
4	Spider-Man				$403,706,375 	5/3/2002	$57,563,869 	7.01x
5	Spider-Man 3				$336,530,303 	5/4/2007	$49,880,317 	6.75x
6	Avengers: Age of Ultron			$459,005,868 	5/1/2015	$69,975,569 	6.56x
7	Spider-Man 2				$373,585,825 	6/30/2004	$59,227,007 	6.31x
8	The Dark Knight Rises			$448,139,099 	7/20/2012	$72,191,281 	6.21x
9	Captain America: Civil War		$408,084,349 	5/6/2016	$66,790,970 	6.11x
10	Men in Black				$250,690,539 	7/2/1997	$42,461,771 	5.90x
11	Wonder Woman				$404,000,000 	6/2/2017	$70,000,000 	5.77x
12	Iron Man				$318,412,101 	5/2/2008	$55,202,302 	5.77x
13	Iron Man 3				$409,013,994 	5/3/2013	$72,374,829 	5.65x
14	Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2		$389,000,000 	5/5/2017	$70,000,000 	5.56x
15	Batman Forever				$184,031,112 	6/16/1995	$33,671,473 	5.47x
16	Deadpool				$363,070,709 	2/12/2016	$66,790,970 	5.44x
17	Superman				$134,218,018 	12/15/1978	$25,000,000 	5.37x
18	Guardians of the Galaxy			$333,176,600 	8/1/2014	$65,542,400 	5.08x
19	Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice	$330,360,194 	3/25/2016	$66,790,970 	4.95x
20	Suicide Squad				$325,100,054 	8/5/2016	$66,790,970 	4.87x
21	X-Men: The Last Stand			$234,362,462 	5/26/2006	$50,886,999 	4.61x
22	Spider-Man Homecoming			$315,000,000 	7/7/2017	$70,000,000 	4.50x
23	Batman Returns				$162,831,698 	6/19/1992	$36,199,432 	4.50x
24	The Incredibles				$261,441,092 	11/5/2004	$59,227,007 	4.41x
25	Iron Man 2				$312,433,331 	5/7/2010	$71,180,641 	4.39x
26	Superman II				$108,185,706 	6/19/1981	$25,000,000 	4.33x
27	300					$210,614,939 	3/9/2007	$49,880,317 	4.22x
28	Hancock					$227,946,274 	7/2/2008	$55,202,302 	4.13x
29	Man of Steel				$291,045,518 	6/14/2013	$72,374,829 	4.02x
30	Captain America: The Winter Soldier	$259,766,572 	4/4/2014	$65,542,400 	3.96x
31	Superman Returns			$200,081,192 	6/28/2006	$50,886,999 	3.93x
32	Batman Begins				$206,852,432 	6/15/2005	$54,579,849 	3.79x
33	Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles		$135,265,915 	3/30/1990	$36,642,628 	3.69x
34	The Amazing Spider-Man			$262,030,663 	7/3/2012	$72,191,281 	3.63x
35	X-Men: Days of Future Past		$233,921,534 	5/23/2014	$65,542,400 	3.57x
36	X2: X-Men United			$214,949,694 	5/2/2003	$60,282,246 	3.57x
37	Doctor Strange				$232,641,920 	11/4/2016	$66,790,970 	3.48x
38	The Mask				$119,938,730 	7/29/1994	$34,833,770 	3.44x
39	Big Hero 6				$222,527,828 	11/7/2014	$65,542,400 	3.40x
40	Men in Black II				$190,418,803 	7/3/2002	$57,563,869 	3.31x
41	Logan					$226,122,357 	3/3/2017	$70,000,000 	3.23x
42	X-Men					$157,299,717 	7/14/2000	$48,984,150 	3.21x
43	The Amazing Spider-Man 2		$202,853,933 	5/2/2014	$65,542,400 	3.10x
44	Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2014)	$191,204,754 	8/8/2014	$65,542,400 	2.92x
45	Thor: The Dark World			$206,362,140 	11/8/2013	$72,374,829 	2.85x
46	Fantastic Four (2005)			$154,696,080 	7/8/2005	$54,579,849 	2.83x
47	Dick Tracy				$103,738,726 	6/15/1990	$36,642,628 	2.83x
48	Thor					$181,030,624 	5/6/2011	$66,489,281 	2.72x
49	Captain America: The First Avenger	$176,654,505 	7/22/2011	$66,489,281 	2.66x
50	Fantastic Four: Rise of the Sil. Surfer	$131,921,738 	6/15/2007	$49,880,317 	2.64x

Each film is compared to the average gross of all wide release films (released in at least 600 venues) during the year of its release. I had to estimate 2017's wide release average, so this year's films could move up or down a bit.

This removes complications arising from differences in distribution between era.

I still think we need to get you infiltrating Forbes and usurp Mendelsson's ill-gained seat of undeserved power.

Angelus Errare · Aug 20, 2017

"I know when you were little boys, you dreamt of being in my world. Don't forget it, don't forget it, respect that, bow down bitches."

ThoseDeafMutes · Aug 20, 2017

MHWilliams said:
Again, for the millionth time, once WB starts making great films, the DCEU will coast past some of Marvel's biggest.

Right. When BvS hit a lot of folks were saying "oh they rushed to their avengers without the setup and it failed" but realistically speaking, their strategy wasn't the problem, Batman vs Superman as a film was their problem. Despite toxic word of mouth and getting slammed in reviews, BvS and SS both pulled in a lot of dollars and don't seem to have harmed Wonder Woman.

If Justice League is an "ok" movie - not even great, just ok - it could do really damn well financially.

Error · Aug 20, 2017

Very deserved.

JCHandsom · Aug 20, 2017

Veelk said:

Someone needs to make variants to include headlines for 'top grossing domestic superhero origin film' and the like

SatoAilDarko · Aug 20, 2017

Kthulhu said:
I wonder if this means DC will make more Wonder Woman stuff.

The DC Super Hero Girls toyline has been pretty successful.

A new animated series by Lauren Frost (My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Powerpuff Girls) is coming to Cartoon Network in 2018.

Crossing Eden · Aug 20, 2017

duckroll said:
Well there's no point mentioning GotG because it doesn't matter whether WW beats it or not when the headline is about being the highest grossing superhero origin movie ever. It needs to beat Spider-man.

WW:Hold my beer.

TyrantII · Aug 20, 2017

Spiderman opened on a Thursday too, didn't it?

broncobuster · Aug 20, 2017

ThoseDeafMutes said:
Right. When BvS hit a lot of folks were saying "oh they rushed to their avengers without the setup and it failed" but realistically speaking, their strategy wasn't the problem, Batman vs Superman as a film was their problem. Despite toxic word of mouth and getting slammed in reviews, BvS and SS both pulled in a lot of dollars and don't seem to have harmed Wonder Woman.

If Justice League is an "ok" movie - not even great, just ok - it could do really damn well financially.

Key thing with Wonder Woman is having incredible legs (no pun) for a superhero movie. So it's certainly possible there was skepticism going in, but then audiences kept going. And going. and going.

For reference, GotG2, which had respectable performance, opened at around $40M more and likely land at around $20M less for the domestic total.

That said, Wonder Woman opened over $100M, which is absolutely a strong opening despite being the lowest of the DCEU (MoS $116M, BvS, $166M, Suicide Squad $133M). And again, it'll likely managed to top those three by ~$80M domestic.

Not · Aug 20, 2017

Rktk said:
I'm the tallest person with my first name, last name that also had rice and chicken just now this weekend.

This comment sucks.

Not · Aug 20, 2017

SatoAilDarko said:
The DC Super Hero Girls toyline has been pretty successful.

A new animated series by Lauren Frost (My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Powerpuff Girls) is coming to Cartoon Network in 2018.

I can't wait to see the Jessica Cruz design!

Akiraptor · Aug 20, 2017

Angelus Errare said:
"I know when you were little boys, you dreamt of being in my world. Don't forget it, don't forget it, respect that, bow down bitches."

In all seriousness, this is fantastic for the future of the DCEU. Hopefully the message gets across that great films often reach great box office heights.

Plywood · Aug 20, 2017

Legs for days.

Bobby Roberts · Aug 20, 2017

Akiraptor said:
Hopefully the message gets across that great films often reach great box office heights.

But that's not true.

Not in a general sense.

Hell, not even in a superhero-specific sense.

TropicalFish · Aug 20, 2017

Now give me an animated Wonder Woman tv series, give me a Wonder Woman video game, give me a DC wide comic event starring WW and her mythos, give me more WW comic books in general, give me a bagillion more WW figures and toys, give me MORE.

ThoseDeafMutes · Aug 20, 2017

Bobby Roberts said:
But that's not true.

Not in a general sense.

Hell, not even in a superhero-specific sense.

it's a factor, just not the dominant one.

23qwerty · Aug 20, 2017

that's fucking wild, anecdotal has hell but I don't know anyone that's seen it. for it to have passed every single Harry Potter movie when everyone and their dog has seen them is incomprehensible to me

Razgriz-Specter · Aug 20, 2017

Kthulhu said:
I wonder if this means DC will make more Wonder Woman stuff.

Six Flags is finally giving her an actual attraction in one of the parks.

hodayathink · Aug 20, 2017

Bobby Roberts said:
But that's not true.

Not in a general sense.

Hell, not even in a superhero-specific sense.

I mean, depending on what you call Lego Batman, Logan is going to be the lowest grossing superhero movie of the year domestically.

ReiGun · Aug 20, 2017

Razgriz-Specter said:
Six Flags is finally giving her an actual attraction in one of the parks.

I got to see a little of it. And by "a little," I mean they just placed an ad in front of the area they planned to build it. lol

Akiraptor · Aug 20, 2017

Bobby Roberts said:
But that's not true.

Not in a general sense.

Hell, not even in a superhero-specific sense.

A good film will earn repeat business. Logan for example did extremely well considering it was an R-rated X-Men film, especially when its budget is taken into consideration (600m+ worldwide on a sub-100m budget). I agree that not all good films do well at the box office, but it's absolutely a factor in a film's (talking blockbuster-types specifically here) financial success.

Had Batman v. Superman received the acclaim that Wonder Woman has, I have no doubt it would've made 500m+ domestically.

And_Gignac · Aug 20, 2017

Spider Man was leagues bigger. Inflation should always need to be considered when it comes to these dollars "records".

Bobby Roberts · Aug 20, 2017

Akiraptor said:
A good film will earn repeat business

Okay, but great films don't often equal great box office success. That message isn't going to get across because historically it's untrue.

The Box-Office is like Unforgiven: Deserve's got nothin' to do with it.

Melkr_ said:
Inflation should always need to be considered when it comes to these dollars "records".

K-Swiss already addressed this upthread: No. It shouldn't. It's a bullshit metric.

DecoReturns · Aug 20, 2017

Shawshank Redemption

Gentleman Jack · Aug 20, 2017

Melkr_ said:
Inflation should always need to be considered when it comes to these dollars "records".

Reading the thread, in particular kswiss' posts, should always be considered before bringing up this argument in any box office thread.

kswiston · Aug 20, 2017

In the age of social media, and increasingly popular review aggregator sites, I think it is fair to say that well received/reviewed blockbusters are much less likely to fail outright than bad ones are. It's definitely not a perfect correlation though, and smaller films that don't have $100M ad spends are still all over the place.

TheTylerDurden · Aug 20, 2017

kswiston said:

Adjusted for inflation is a BS comparison for other reasons. If you want to know how popular a superhero film was relative to everything else in theatres during its year of release, here you go:

Code:

Rank	Title					DOM Gross	Release Date	Ann. Avg Gross	Avg. Gross Mult
1	The Dark Knight				$534,858,444 	7/18/2008	$55,202,302 	9.69x
2	Marvel's The Avengers			$623,357,910 	5/4/2012	$72,191,281 	8.63x
3	Batman					$251,188,924 	6/23/1989	$33,000,766 	7.61x
4	Spider-Man				$403,706,375 	5/3/2002	$57,563,869 	7.01x
5	Spider-Man 3				$336,530,303 	5/4/2007	$49,880,317 	6.75x
6	Avengers: Age of Ultron			$459,005,868 	5/1/2015	$69,975,569 	6.56x
7	Spider-Man 2				$373,585,825 	6/30/2004	$59,227,007 	6.31x
8	The Dark Knight Rises			$448,139,099 	7/20/2012	$72,191,281 	6.21x
9	Captain America: Civil War		$408,084,349 	5/6/2016	$66,790,970 	6.11x
10	Men in Black				$250,690,539 	7/2/1997	$42,461,771 	5.90x
11	Wonder Woman				$404,000,000 	6/2/2017	$70,000,000 	5.77x
12	Iron Man				$318,412,101 	5/2/2008	$55,202,302 	5.77x
13	Iron Man 3				$409,013,994 	5/3/2013	$72,374,829 	5.65x
14	Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2		$389,000,000 	5/5/2017	$70,000,000 	5.56x
15	Batman Forever				$184,031,112 	6/16/1995	$33,671,473 	5.47x
16	Deadpool				$363,070,709 	2/12/2016	$66,790,970 	5.44x
17	Superman				$134,218,018 	12/15/1978	$25,000,000 	5.37x
18	Guardians of the Galaxy			$333,176,600 	8/1/2014	$65,542,400 	5.08x
19	Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice	$330,360,194 	3/25/2016	$66,790,970 	4.95x
20	Suicide Squad				$325,100,054 	8/5/2016	$66,790,970 	4.87x
21	X-Men: The Last Stand			$234,362,462 	5/26/2006	$50,886,999 	4.61x
22	Spider-Man Homecoming			$315,000,000 	7/7/2017	$70,000,000 	4.50x
23	Batman Returns				$162,831,698 	6/19/1992	$36,199,432 	4.50x
24	The Incredibles				$261,441,092 	11/5/2004	$59,227,007 	4.41x
25	Iron Man 2				$312,433,331 	5/7/2010	$71,180,641 	4.39x
26	Superman II				$108,185,706 	6/19/1981	$25,000,000 	4.33x
27	300					$210,614,939 	3/9/2007	$49,880,317 	4.22x
28	Hancock					$227,946,274 	7/2/2008	$55,202,302 	4.13x
29	Man of Steel				$291,045,518 	6/14/2013	$72,374,829 	4.02x
30	Captain America: The Winter Soldier	$259,766,572 	4/4/2014	$65,542,400 	3.96x
31	Superman Returns			$200,081,192 	6/28/2006	$50,886,999 	3.93x
32	Batman Begins				$206,852,432 	6/15/2005	$54,579,849 	3.79x
33	Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles		$135,265,915 	3/30/1990	$36,642,628 	3.69x
34	The Amazing Spider-Man			$262,030,663 	7/3/2012	$72,191,281 	3.63x
35	X-Men: Days of Future Past		$233,921,534 	5/23/2014	$65,542,400 	3.57x
36	X2: X-Men United			$214,949,694 	5/2/2003	$60,282,246 	3.57x
37	Doctor Strange				$232,641,920 	11/4/2016	$66,790,970 	3.48x
38	The Mask				$119,938,730 	7/29/1994	$34,833,770 	3.44x
39	Big Hero 6				$222,527,828 	11/7/2014	$65,542,400 	3.40x
40	Men in Black II				$190,418,803 	7/3/2002	$57,563,869 	3.31x
41	Logan					$226,122,357 	3/3/2017	$70,000,000 	3.23x
42	X-Men					$157,299,717 	7/14/2000	$48,984,150 	3.21x
43	The Amazing Spider-Man 2		$202,853,933 	5/2/2014	$65,542,400 	3.10x
44	Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2014)	$191,204,754 	8/8/2014	$65,542,400 	2.92x
45	Thor: The Dark World			$206,362,140 	11/8/2013	$72,374,829 	2.85x
46	Fantastic Four (2005)			$154,696,080 	7/8/2005	$54,579,849 	2.83x
47	Dick Tracy				$103,738,726 	6/15/1990	$36,642,628 	2.83x
48	Thor					$181,030,624 	5/6/2011	$66,489,281 	2.72x
49	Captain America: The First Avenger	$176,654,505 	7/22/2011	$66,489,281 	2.66x
50	Fantastic Four: Rise of the Sil. Surfer	$131,921,738 	6/15/2007	$49,880,317 	2.64x

Each film is compared to the average gross of all wide release films (released in at least 600 venues) during the year of its release. I had to estimate 2017's wide release average, so this year's films could move up or down a bit.

This removes complications arising from differences in distribution between era.

Hey swis - I am going to bet that you've laid out a good solid argument for these other factors that you're referring too here (aside from the chart above). Do you have a post hanging out there somewhere that I can read where you spell out some of the factors?

I'd like to understand this a little better, especially when discussing with others who stick to the inflation calculation argument.

ApharmdX · Aug 20, 2017

That's awesome and I hope it paves the way for more major female superheroes to get their own origin films. So many great heroines out there that could get a push, from Marvel and DC and beyond.

hodayathink · Aug 20, 2017

Bobby Roberts said:
K-Swiss already addressed this upthread: No. It shouldn't. It's a bullshit metric.

Accounting for inflation is basically a half-assed attempt to get at what you would think would generally be a good metric, which is overall tickets sold. But even that really isn't the best metric when you try to consider movies that were released decades apart (but it is better than comparing raw BO numbers and much better than using inflation numbers).

Syriel · Aug 20, 2017

MHWilliams said:
Again, for the millionth time, once WB starts making great films, the DCEU will coast past some of Marvel's biggest. Batman and Superman alone are top tier, in good projects. Suicide Squad and BvS were poor films that showed the floor, Wonder Woman has shown how high the ceiling can be. I don't lean towards either of the Big Two. While I commend Marvel for taking the Avengers (which are flagship properties, but weren't as popular as say Spider-Man and Wolverine until the films) to the top, DC's Trinity is an amazing anchor to build stuff around.

Just make good films, WB. As a fan of the characters, that's all I've wanted.

The bolded has always been a problem.

Bobby Roberts said:
I still think we need to get you infiltrating Forbes and usurp Mendelsson's ill-gained seat of undeserved power.

But if he starts contributing to Forbes, then he'll have to start every article with a clickbait title.

How MOVIE STUDIOS have been PADDING THEIR NUMBERS by LYING about INFLATION!

capitalCORN · Aug 20, 2017

Asterisk!

kswiston · Aug 20, 2017

TheTylerDurden said:
Hey swis - I am going to bet that you've laid out a good solid argument for these other factors that you're referring too here (aside from the chart above). Do you have a post hanging out there somewhere that I can read where you spell out some of the factors?

I'd like to understand this a little better, especially when discussing with others who stick to the inflation calculation argument.

It spun out of an adjusted for inflation conversation about Star Wars

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=230690703&postcount=277

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=230704561&postcount=288

wandering · Aug 20, 2017

I personally had a lot of problems with the film, but the one that really sticks in my craw is the shot of Ares in that brief flashback where he's cast down from Olympus looking absolutely ridiculous with that mustache. It's like they composited Professor Lupin's head onto a bodybuilder's body.

Poona · Aug 20, 2017

23qwerty said:
that's fucking wild, anecdotal has hell but I don't know anyone that's seen it. for it to have passed every single Harry Potter movie when everyone and their dog has seen them is incomprehensible to me

I've never seen the Harry Potter films. Well I've seen bits of them when they've made it to TV screenings, but I never went to see them in theatres as I figured since I hadn't read the books I wasn't going to see the film.

I saw Wonder Woman though. She's a big character, almost up there with Batman and Superman, so I want to see what they did with her first film.

daviyoung · Aug 20, 2017

That's a lot of caveats

Theorry · Aug 20, 2017

This thread is a joy to read now.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1378098&highlight=wonder+woman+box

Diprosalic · Aug 20, 2017

Below average movie but i'm happy for the implications.

Scully Scully Scoo · Aug 20, 2017

Garbage film, bvs was more entertaining. So cliche and unoriginal no idea why people think its good

RS4- · Aug 20, 2017

Lol at American Sniper making all that money for WB, fucking garbage.

It's too bad the other DC movies weren't as good as WW, all that potential wasted like that.

Penguin · Aug 20, 2017

daviyoung said:
That's a lot of caveats

Most records are nuanced like that

Either way may end up in the top 5 of all time for comic books

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