• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

God of War: Ascension Has A Secret Code, But What Does It Mean?

E

ekim

Member
shagg_187 said:
So to compile for OP:

English: SUN BIRD BULL LION SUN
French: SOLEIL OISEAU BOEUF LION SON SOLEIL
Portuguese: SOL PASSARO TOURO LEAO SOL
Spanish: SOL AVE TORO LEON SOL

One of the things that these are all common to is Mithras:

http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Mi-Ni/Mithras.html

"The Persians saw Mithras as the principal assistant of Ahura Mazda, the god of goodness and light. Mithras battled demons, sorcerers, and other evildoers and helped the souls of worthy humans. In another role, as a god of war, he rode in a golden chariot pulled by four horses."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraic_mysteries

"The iconic scenes of Mithras show him being born from a rock, slaughtering a bull, and sharing a banquet with the god Sol (the Sun). One statue had its base perforated so that it could serve as a fountain and the base of another has the mask of the water god. Sometimes he also has other weapons like bows and arrows and there are also animals like dog, serpent, dolphin, eagle, some other birds, a lion, crocodile, lobster and snail around. On some reliefs, there is a bearded figure identified as Oceanus, the water god, and on some there are the four wind gods. In these reliefs, the four elements could be invoked together. Sometimes Victoria, Luna, Sol and Saturn also seem to play a role. Saturn particularly appears to hand over the dagger to Mithras so that he could perform his mighty deeds."

http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Mi-N...#ixzz2NL7Rr8Er

Some scholars identify Mithras with Mitra, a mythic figure of the Aryan peoples who invaded northern India around the l600s B . C . Mitra, the god of friendship, was associated with the sun and served as one of the judges of the dead. He was supposed to bring worthy people back to life after the universe ended. Some of Mitra's functions lingered in the developing mythology of Mithras.
Click to expand...

And now? I've looked into recent SCEA domain registrations containing Mithras/Mitra... but found nothing.
 
M

mclem

Member
I'm not convinced by the Mithras link. That is, everything fits together, so it makes a lot of sense, but it does feel like we skipped a step somewhere; the bird and lion association seems a bit oddly specific, given all the other things in that list *aren't* referenced.

In fact, given the ordering, it sounds like a code; is there anywhere in the game where you can hit a bird, the sun, a lion and a bull in some sort of order? Either frescoes or enemies?
 
C

CorrisD

badchoiceboobies
Well that didn't take long, lol.

ekim said:
http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Mi-Ni/Mithras.html
Click to expand...

Callibretto said:
http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Mi-Ni/Mithras.html#ixzz2NL7Rr8Er
Some scholars identify Mithras with Mitra, a mythic figure of the Aryan peoples who invaded northern India around the l600s B . C . Mitra, the god of friendship, was associated with the sun and served as one of the judges of the dead. He was supposed to bring worthy people back to life after the universe ended. Some of Mitra's functions lingered in the developing mythology of Mithras.

fit nicely following gow 3 ending
Click to expand...

Sounds sweet, good work guys.
 
C

Callibretto

Member
Ricky_R said:
Only God knows what is really happening inside Sony first party studios. Some of them have mentioned that they working on new IP's (Stig even confirmed it on an interview before last E3), but we don't really know if plans changed or if Sony put pressure to keep working on a certain franchise (GOW for example).

Who knows if Stig stopped working on whatever he was working and was tasked to make GOW4 for PS4 considering he did an amazing job creating epic spectacles, boss battles and set-pieces with GOW3, and the game is more advanced than we imagined? I know it's a stretch, but still possible.

Imagine an opening more epic and with more scale than GOW3's on the PS4.
Click to expand...

out of nowhere, here comes third SSM team. lol

maybe ready at dawn is the one making it? we know they're making ps4 game, do we know if it's new ip or not?
 
E

ekim

Member
mclem said:
I'm not convinced by the Mithras link. That is, everything fits together, so it makes a lot of sense, but it does feel like we skipped a step somewhere; the bird and lion association seems a bit oddly specific, given all the other things in that list *aren't* referenced.

In fact, given the ordering, it sounds like a code; is there anywhere in the game where you can hit a bird, the sun, a lion and a bull in some sort of order? Either frescoes or enemies?
Click to expand...

Good idea - Someone with the game should take a look
 
Boss Man

Boss Man

Member
FDC1 said:
QJFTRF JRQTEU CJTUN FRJH QJH QJFTRF
SOLEIL OISEAU COEUR LION SON SOLEIL

??
Click to expand...
I guess that seems a bit more likely.

If the words between SUN - SUN are equivalent across languages, the EEE part of the English code is kind of throwing a wrench in this.

e: nevermind, nice job guys
shagg_187 said:
So to compile for OP:

English: SUN BIRD BULL LION SUN
French: SOLEIL OISEAU BOEUF LION SON SOLEIL
Portuguese: SOL PASSARO TOURO LEAO SOL
Spanish: SOL AVE TORO LEON SOL
Click to expand...
 
S

Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew

Banned
mclem said:
I'm not convinced by the Mithras link. That is, everything fits together, so it makes a lot of sense, but it does feel like we skipped a step somewhere; the bird and lion association seems a bit oddly specific, given all the other things in that list *aren't* referenced.

In fact, given the ordering, it sounds like a code; is there anywhere in the game where you can hit a bird, the sun, a lion and a bull in some sort of order? Either frescoes or enemies?
Click to expand...

We still need to dig deeper. I agree that this is one of the leads though.
 
K

Kifimbo

Member
tiny raptor said:
Excellent job, Kijimbo. How'd you figure out that those letters in various languages meant sun?
Click to expand...

Well, I speak French. Shagg asked for to find a six-letters French word that is a three-letter Spanish word. SOL/SOLEIL is the only one I could find after 10-15 minutes (I had a Spanish class in school). Then I found a website with a lot of three-letters Spanish words (for Scrabble lol). Using Google Translate, SOL/SOLEIL is the only on that worked.
 
E

Endo Punk

Member
Anyone wanna bet that's a Vita title? No way SSM was working on two GOW games. The last time there was a secret code it ended up being GoS. I wondre who will be developing this one since RaD decided not to do another GOW, I'm thinking Sony Bend which means it will be another subtitled games. The franchise just seems more and more like a checklist now.
 
N

nofi

Member
mclem said:
I'm not convinced by the Mithras link. That is, everything fits together, so it makes a lot of sense, but it does feel like we skipped a step somewhere; the bird and lion association seems a bit oddly specific, given all the other things in that list *aren't* referenced.

In fact, given the ordering, it sounds like a code; is there anywhere in the game where you can hit a bird, the sun, a lion and a bull in some sort of order? Either frescoes or enemies?
Click to expand...

Oh man. I know what I'm doing tonight.
 
M

M.D

Member
Wait, how will this work in terms of story? Did GOW ever acknowledge the existent of other mythologies?
 
S

Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew

Banned
M.D said:
Wait, how will this work in terms of story? Did GOW ever acknowledge the existent of other mythologies?
Click to expand...

It did in alternate endings.

With that said, I do agree that somewhere in the game there may be statues. Maybe statues of particular gods? Sun repeating twice doesn't make sense and it may mean a repetition within the game.

Unless of course they repeated it to help us out with the whole SUN/SOL thing.
 
S

SmokyDave

Member
Why would Sun be in there twice? To make it easier to figure out, or because it's some sort of sequence?

Kifimbo said:
Well, I speak French. Shagg asked for to find a six-letters French word that is a three-letter Spanish word. SOL/SOLEIL is the only one I could find after 10-15 minutes (I had a Spanish class in school). Then I found a website with a lot of three-letters Spanish words (for Scrabble lol). Using Google Translate, SOL/SOLEIL is the only on that worked.
Click to expand...
Men / Hommes is the one I thought of but then Spanish ruined it!
 
D

Dusky

Member
Looked up for some more info on Mithras and found some interesting stuff. Probably has nothing to do with with the next GoW though.

Mithras was born on the 25th of Dec, virgin birth, performed miracles, died and was ressurected 3 days later, etc. Sound familiar?

It's nothing special but I found it interesting.
 
T

tiny raptor

Member
1st Course said:
The media is already picking this up:

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/03...-hidden-code-points-to-a-new-hero-for-gow-iv/
Click to expand...

Of course, this might not be right. There’re other possibilities with regards to fitting the letters in, but there’s a pattern here that at least suggests those invested in cracking the cypher might be onto something. The letters do fit with other languages, too, so this might well be the right path.
Click to expand...

...other possibilities? I think it's pretty darn safe to say with 100% certainty that the code we have now is correct.
 
C

Callibretto

Member
M.D said:
Wait, how will this work in terms of story? Did GOW ever acknowledge the existent of other mythologies?
Click to expand...

ghost of sparta had efreet summon and persian army invading for the intro.

now this about mitra

"Mithras—also called Mithra—was a deity from ancient Indo-Iranian* mythology. He became a major figure in the religion known as Zoroastrianism, which originated in ancient Persia*.
Click to expand...
 
C

crispyben

Member
shagg_187 said:
Sun repeating twice doesn't make sense and it may mean a repetition within the game.

Unless of course they repeated it to help us out with the whole SUN/SOL thing.
Click to expand...

SmokyDave said:
Why would Sun be in there twice? To make it easier to figure out, or because it's some sort of sequence?
Click to expand...
I guess it was a hint or a lead they left, otherwise this would have been much tougher to crack, though the other languages helped very much in confirming.
 
M

Marleyman

Banned
Dusky said:
Looked up for some more info on Mithras and found some interesting stuff. Probably has nothing to do with with the next GoW though.

Mithras was born on the 25th of Dec, virgin birth, performed miracles, died and was ressurected 3 days later, etc. Sound familiar?

It's nothing special but I found it interesting.
Click to expand...

A bunch of religions are similar in that sense.
 
H

Hanmik

Member
it could also be related to this God.. Ashur the National God of Assyria

In the ancient Near East, Ashur was originally the main god of the city of Ashur, the capital of Assyria. As Assyria emerged as a great empire, Ashur became the national god of all of Assyria. The Assyrians saw him primarily as a warrior god and believed that he supported them against their enemies.

By about 1300 B . C ., Ashur was identified with the supreme Sumerian god Enlil, probably in an effort to portray him as king of the gods. Under Assyria's king Sargon, Ashur became the father of Anu, the Babylonian * god of the sky and the main creative force in the universe. Later, as Assyria and Babylon competed for political and military power, Ashur took on the characteristics of the Babylonian national god, Marduk. Because the qualities of so many other gods were transferred to Ashur, he had little or no clear character or traditions of his own. More than anything, he was a symbol of the people and power of Assyria.


Read more: http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Ar-Be/Ashur.html#ixzz2NLEgliQl
Click to expand...

Babylonia and India, and the vulture, falcon, and mysterious Phoenix in Egypt, were identified with the sun, fire, wind, and lightning. The animals associated with the god Ashur were the bull, the eagle, and the lion. He either absorbed the attributes of other gods, or symbolized the "Self Power" of which the animals were manifestations.
Click to expand...

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/mba/mba20.htm

babylon makes for a nice setting..
 
C

Callibretto

Member
Dusky said:
Looked up for some more info on Mithras and found some interesting stuff. Probably has nothing to do with with the next GoW though.

Mithras was born on the 25th of Dec, virgin birth, performed miracles, died and was ressurected 3 days later, etc. Sound familiar?

It's nothing special but I found it interesting.
Click to expand...

"The cult of Mithras spread into the Mediterranean world, where for a time it rivaled Christianity as the fastest-growing new religion."
 
B

badcrumble

Member
Now I'm curious to see if there's any point in this game (or GoW3, even) where there are suns, birds, bulls, and lions. Maybe you can make Kratos hit things to unveil something else.

Or, maybe, there's something in the multiplayer?
 
F

FDC1

Member
Is the Arena Mode where you can pick ennemies still there? Are there ennemies related to sun, bird, bull & lion? Worth a try, no?
 
T

tiny raptor

Member
SmokyDave said:
Why would Sun be in there twice? To make it easier to figure out, or because it's some sort of sequence?
Click to expand...

Seems like if there was a puzzle-like sequence where you could hit various objects like that in the game, people who already played it would remember. And I don't think SUN would indicate any enemy in the game.
 
Boss Man

Boss Man

Member
Hanmik said:
it could also be related to this God.. Ashur the National God of Assyria

Babylonia and India, and the vulture, falcon, and mysterious Phoenix in Egypt, were identified with the sun, fire, wind, and lightning. The animals associated with the god Ashur were the bull, the eagle, and the lion. He either absorbed the attributes of other gods, or symbolized the "Self Power" of which the animals were manifestations.
Click to expand...

babylon makes for a nice setting..
Click to expand...
Ayup, hopefully we're looking at the first hint for a new God of War on PS4.
 
M

Man-is-Obsolete

Member
Would have preferrd a Norse mythos for the God of war series to continue, bit Persia would great as well. Plus there is some overlap with ancient Greek there. Question then becomes does it star kratos or a new hero? I personally would prefer a new hero, but perhaps for the first game there was a split of kratos and the new hero.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Games coming in 2023
8
1K
ProgenitorCastle replied
Star Wars, Indiana Jones, James Bond... Is it finally game on film adaptations? Let's look at what has been done (1982 - 2021)
Analysis
4
2K
buenoblue replied
Over 1000+ titles coming to DisneyPlus Star (Lists announced)
News
15
4K
Ownage replied
LTTP: God of War: Ascension
28
5K
WrenchNinja replied
Dominions 4 - The Definitive fantasy TBS of myths, magic and religion
8
7K
Turin Turambar replied
Top Bottom