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Final build of Sonic Xtreme found, leaking as we speak
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One of the things I'm most excited about is to find out what these odd strings in the level files released by Senn represent. We figured out most of the level format, but in certain areas, there are odd strings of digits that appear to move along sin-curved paths. They seem to correspond to some object we don't have and I've wondered what the hell they were for. My theory is they were paths for particles to fly around, as seen in the released videos from Senn, but nobody has ever been sure.
With the source in hand, we should be able to finally figure out what those strings are for.
With the source in hand, we should be able to finally figure out what those strings are for.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Imagine if it's actually good.
I'd say this is even less likely than the game leaking in the first place.
Emperor Bohe
Member
Holy shit! I've been following the thread on Asssembler. Good shit. I wonder if I can swap disc it on my Saturn.
edit: this is what i get for not reading the OP before posting
edit: this is what i get for not reading the OP before posting
theechrisfox
Member
At least one of those screens reminds me of the the demo of Lost World that I played.
These sorts of things don't leak from Sega. Without a doubt, everything that was Sonic Xtreme is long gone at Sega.
These sorts of leaks come from former employees who held on to old computers after they left the company. People dig around their old harddrives and find crazy stuff. That's how Ecco the Dolphin 2 for the Dreamcast leaked - it was just sitting on the harddrive of a dreamcast development kit, unnoticed for a decade.
It's not a saturn game, it's a PC game.
I like how one little story about PD Saga means ONLY Sega EVER dumped source code they didn't feel they needed.
You couldnt make it up.
Makes you wonder though - most businesss stipulate in contracts clearly any proprietory material is theres, during and post employment. I know Sega arent the most efficient but still...can we expect some legal guy in 5 years to turn round and say 'Heeeeyy wait a minute. We pulled X-Treme right?'
Every game company did it at the time. Why would you keep your source codes? Nintendo, for example, threw away the source code to Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening.
It was common practice of the time, for all game companies. Likely every game you can think of from that time had its source code thrown away.
Besides, the source code itself wouldn't be very useful today for PDS. The game was coded in assembly for SH2 processors speaking to the exotic and weird VDPs of the saturn, what useful information could someone pull from that today? The actual game logic stuff isn't complex, most of what made PDS a technical marvel was the saturn-specific code. It'd be much easier to just flat-out remake the game today.
Purple Cheeto
Member
Woah this is kind of crazy. I'd love to know more about this engine and the source code but I'm guessing we will only ever see the executable.
SerTapTap
Member
Oh so it's more of a developer only build not "ready for retail" then? Still glad this is being unearthed, love to see stuff like this preserved.
Sega themselves are active in the Sonic hacking community. They tend to turn a blind eye to this stuff. No harm no foul, you know?
Only time Sega has put their foot down were the times when, for example, the Sonic Heroes beta leaked before Sonic Heroes was actually released.
I don't think they care about this stuff anymore. When Sonic Generations was in development, for example, they went trying to find the sonic 1 proto that the Sonic Community has been after for decades to see if they could throw it in as a huge thanks to the community, but couldn't find it in their archives. That's why Sonic 1 is included as a freebee - it was intended to instead be a prototype of Sonic 1 included with Generations.
It's crazy to think about what games are going to be found in the future.
Still holding out for a working build of RE1.5.
cooljerk on retro has a win 95 setup with an NV1 he can get some footage as soon as he gets hold of the binaries, exciting stuff
read my name backwards
Various Artists
Banned
Wow, really neat. I love when this sort of stuff pops up.
The PC build has never leaked. The only person who previously had access to it was Chris Senn back when it was actually in development, and Ofer himself, who didn't want to release it.
It's in people's hands and coming.
Laevateinn
Member
This shit killed Sega. I love Yuji Naka but if I ever met him I don't know whether I would freak out and worship him or call him baka.
Holy fuck how have I never heard this before? That's amazing! Too bad they couldn't find it, though.
Is this the build with the UFOs in Marble Zone? The Sonic 1 proto was always my holy grail of Sonic prototypes (besides Xtreme, of course, which is more of an unreleased game than a prototype), especially after the Nick Arcade Sonic 2 build finally got out.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Oh
My
God
Day is made. I've been looking forward to playing Sonic XTreme since..... 1994 I think it was
Wow, I have 2 Sega Saturns boxed away somewhere and have no idea where they are.
My
God
Day is made. I've been looking forward to playing Sonic XTreme since..... 1994 I think it was
Wow, I have 2 Sega Saturns boxed away somewhere and have no idea where they are.
NeOak
Member
#dead
No, this would be the 12 layers of parallax version of Sonic 1 debuted at CES when the game was actually unveiled. This version:
There is evidence Sega still has various Sonic 1 prototypes, though. A mobile phone port in 2003 appears to be built off of a build from a few months before release, as it still includes the rolling ball object that has been deleted in the final build, and it has the sprites for the marble zone UFOs in the marble zone tiles.
That's not the early build we're discussing, though. The build in question was only 1 level, a very early proto greenhill zone. As I said, it featured 12 layers of parallax, both in front and behind Sonic.
Wow, can't wait to see some new footage of the game.
I didn't know about this. It would have been sweet if they found the prototype and put that in instead. Yet another copy of Sonic 1 doesn't really mean much to me.
I didn't know about this. It would have been sweet if they found the prototype and put that in instead. Yet another copy of Sonic 1 doesn't really mean much to me.
NeOak
Member
NV1!? Someone find a warehouse full of those. Great time to finally build my retro PC with an NV1, Adlib and a native Glide card
There is one on ebay for around $250
Damn, I was never aware of this. A huge shame they couldn't find it. That would've made for a really interesting unlockable.
Foxtastical
Member
WHOA. Update me bro. This is news.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Legitimately surprised and interested to try that perspective. I think it could work well with a Sonic game.
gigantor21
Member
Exactly what I was thinking. The company was a complete fucking mess during those days, and never fully recovered from it in terms of industry stature.
OmegaSmash
Member
No, this would be the 12 layers of parallax version of Sonic 1 debuted at CES when the game was actually unveiled. This version:
There is evidence Sega still has various Sonic 1 prototypes, though. A mobile phone port in 2003 appears to be built off of a build from a few months before release, as it still includes the rolling ball object that has been deleted in the final build, and it has the sprites for the marble zone UFOs in the marble zone tiles.
That's not the early build we're discussing, though. The build in question was only 1 level, a very early proto greenhill zone. As I said, it featured 12 layers of parallax, both in front and behind Sonic.
Oh wow. I think I remember hearing about the whole proto Sonic 1 in Generations, but I didn't know they were thinking of going this far back.
What? I couldn't find any
Ebay might be limiting my search because I'm not located in the US.
Syph Medwes
Member
Getting mama robotnik vibes from the OP. Pun intented.
Senn had a copy back when they actually worked on the game. He also had a way of getting footage of the game running, likely from Ofer himself.
This leak doesn't come from Senn or Ofer
petran79
Banned
Amazing news. For older titles it is the fans who have to take care unfortunately! Looking forward to this development! Good luck!
They did send a C&D to Sonic Fan Remix developers unfortunately. I wouldnt really mind, hadnt that game put their most recent projects to shame....
They did send a C&D to Sonic Fan Remix developers unfortunately. I wouldnt really mind, hadnt that game put their most recent projects to shame....
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
He's been absent recently, at least in the threads I'm frequenting. Wonder why...
A 75% build of Biohazard 1.5 leaked a year or so ago. A fan group has been in the process of making new areas to "sting it together" and release. There was a GAF thread about it.
RumblingRosco
Member
You'll have to excuse me, but I'm skeptical until you actually receive the files... until then, I worry that something will magically go wrong and you won't end up getting them. I really hope you get them though. This is really cool and I appreciate all the efforts provided by you and other Sonic fans. I'm not a huge Sonic fan per-say, but this sort of stuff is interesting regardless of the game itself.
Of course you're free to remain skeptical, but I'm one of the oldest members of the Sonic hacking community - been there since 1997 - and, from the channels I'm going through, I'm very confident this is real.
NeOak
Member
What? I couldn't find any
Ebay might be limiting my search because I'm not located in the US.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Diamond-Edg...624?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item3a99bacde8
not to mention that naka is a pretty big diva.
OmegaSmash
Member
It really sucks that we'll never get a leak of the updated NiGHTS engine build. That's the one I'm very interested about.
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