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Corpekata
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(10-13-2016, 10:23 AM)
Weren't there always a lot of people in other threads saying it wasn't the SATA speed that was the issue but something else? Has that underlying issue also been fixed / improved?
Dio
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(10-13-2016, 10:25 AM)

Originally Posted by RocknRola

Silly question (and slightly off-topic, my bad) but can I just hook those to any SATA port in a motherboard that supports SATA 3? Doesn't need to be a specific motherboard with specific features, right?

They're too fast to see any benefit through SATA.

They use PCIe M.2 slots instead, which are directly on the motherboard as you can see there, so unless you want them to run just as slow as other SSDs do, don't plug them into a SATA Port. SATA III is too slow.
Raybunny
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(10-13-2016, 10:25 AM)
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Originally Posted by JBwB

If only 1TB+ SSD's were more affordable :(

SSHD 2TB is a nice solution. Gotta get one ready for the PRO

Originally Posted by Bad_Boy

I can't justify spending $229-300 for faster load times and the same storage space.

I think I'm going with this .


Check SSHD
StrongBlackVine
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(10-13-2016, 10:25 AM)

Originally Posted by Bad_Boy

edited for 2.5 inch hdd

I'm gonna wait on the 2.5 inch version of the first SSHD you linked. Seems like a major upgrade to my current 2TB drive.

Originally Posted by Raybunny

SSHD 2TB is a nice solution. Gotta get one ready for the PRO

Could you post a link to the one you have? I thought the new Firecuda SSHDs would be first that naturally would fit into a PS4.
StrongBlackVine
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(10-13-2016, 10:29 AM)

Originally Posted by Tinúviel

I have Seagate 1TB SSHD (ST1000LM014) in my PS4 right now i assume it will benefit more with PS4 Pro.

But how the hell i'm gonna put current HDD in to a Pro without removing data?Any solution for that?

Backup and restore using an external drive.
RocknRola
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(10-13-2016, 10:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dio

They're too fast to see any benefit through SATA.

They use PCIe M.2 slots instead, which are directly on the motherboard as you can see there, so unless you want them to run just as slow as other SSDs do, don't plug them into a SATA Port. SATA III is too slow.

Ah, thanks. Saved me from doing a silly investment in the near future hehe :P Need a new motherboard then, just have one PCIe slot open and not sure things can fit there confortably, despite those SSD's being super slender. Damn you, fat GPU's!

Edit: Actually scratch that. Need a new motherboard, period. Just realized that the M.2 slots are their own thing and my current mobo definitely has none of that.
Backfoggen
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(10-13-2016, 10:29 AM)
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If games are able to fully take advantage of it I will get a TB SSD immediately.
JP
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(10-13-2016, 10:29 AM)
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Holy fuck, that would be massive for me. How reliable is the site this comes from?

EDIT:
I have a 2TB hdd in our current PS4 but I'd have no issues at all losing capacity to gain performance. I can see Black Friday being useful for SSDs this year.
Devilinthiscity
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(10-13-2016, 10:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by Guymelef

Looking for a brand new Seagate Firecuda 2TB 2.5" SSHD.

This will fit in the Pro right?
Logsi
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(10-13-2016, 10:31 AM)
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Originally Posted by Corpekata

Weren't there always a lot of people in other threads saying it wasn't the SATA speed that was the issue but something else? Has that underlying issue also been fixed / improved?

I know Trim not being enabled would cause problems.
ChasingComets
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(10-13-2016, 10:32 AM)
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GOTTA GO FAST

This will be very, very welcomed news if it is legitimate.
jetsetnickradio
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(10-13-2016, 10:32 AM)
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Finally, some good news about the PS4 Pro!

SATA3 was one of my most wanted features for the PS4 Pro.

Now if only more developers would get on board with supporting it beyond just upscaling to 4K. I'd love to see more AA and texture filtering applied to 1080p games.
StrongBlackVine
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(10-13-2016, 10:33 AM)

Originally Posted by Devilinthiscity

This will fit in the Pro right?

Yes it is 7mm.
Number45
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(10-13-2016, 10:36 AM)
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So I assume we can wait for Digital Foundry to do some comparisons again. No chance that will happen before launch I guess?
Deepo
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(10-13-2016, 10:37 AM)
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This is the best news. My Samsung 840 EVO 1TB will really enjoy getting a new home in the Pro. Loading times are currently the least next-gen thing about both PS4 and Xbone.
Bad_Boy
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(10-13-2016, 10:38 AM)
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Originally Posted by StrongBlackVine

I'm gonna wait on the 2.5 inch version of the first SSHD you linked. Seems like a major upgrade to my current 2TB drive.

2.5" 2TB firecuda?
knitoe
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(10-13-2016, 10:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by Corpekata

Weren't there always a lot of people in other threads saying it wasn't the SATA speed that was the issue but something else? Has that underlying issue also been fixed / improved?

People were claiming that the problem was speeds went through the USB2 interface even though the actual connection was a SATA2. Don't know if that's the problem or it's been fixed in the Pro.

Originally Posted by Logsi

I know Trim not being enabled would cause problems.

All current SSD has their own built in trash collecting routine outside of the OS own. Not an issue.
StrongBlackVine
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(10-13-2016, 10:40 AM)

Originally Posted by Bad_Boy

2.5" 2TB firecuda?

Yeah that is it. I think it was just announced today which explains why it isn't in stock there or even listed on most sites.
Renekton
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(10-13-2016, 10:42 AM)
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Don't go SSHD. You get at best mixed results vs a regular HDD.
endlessflood
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(10-13-2016, 10:47 AM)

Originally Posted by Logsi

I know Trim not being enabled would cause problems.

I really don't know enough about how the PS4 operating system works to know if TRIM is really needed. I suppose it's complicated by the file system encryption.

It would be great if a site like Digital Foundry could do some digging around this, and look at what the implications are for SSDs.
CyberPunked
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(10-13-2016, 11:08 AM)
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The PS4 doesn't use SATA 3? Didn't SATA 3 come out in like 2009? Not exactly new tech.
Dan27
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(10-13-2016, 11:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by CyberPunked

The PS4 doesn't use SATA 3? Didn't SATA 3 come out in like 2009? Not exactly new tech.

Its not so much the interface, its about unit cost as per usual.

I think Sony now realise that larger capacity SSDs are now pretty affordable and people want to be able to use them in their PS4s.

The real question though would be if the PS4 Slim is SATA3.
deadduck
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(10-13-2016, 11:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by CyberPunked

The PS4 doesn't use SATA 3? Didn't SATA 3 come out in like 2009? Not exactly new tech.

No Sata2, but seeing as the PS4 came out in like 2013, this is not exactly new info.
Mengetsu
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(10-13-2016, 11:21 AM)
I'm not good with this stuff. So when I buy my new PS4 Pro this can take a HDD that shortens load times? The 1TB that comes with the console won't be this kind of HDD defaultly? If not can I get another 1TB HDD with those same specs for 50-75 dollars?
chromatic9
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(10-13-2016, 11:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by CyberPunked

The PS4 doesn't use SATA 3? Didn't SATA 3 come out in like 2009? Not exactly new tech.

SATA II is 300mb/s

A typical HDD is around 80-150mb/s

Not much need for SATA III. Also if PS4 was truly SATA II you should see a huge benefit by saturating Sata II 300mb/s limit with a SSD but that doesn't seem to happen either so it's not as if simply adding sata III is going to magically not hold loading back like the myths portray. I even see people claim not being Sata III is holding stock PS4 back with its slow HDD.

Hopefully Sony fully support SATA III and get that 600mb/s
Raybunny
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(10-13-2016, 11:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by StrongBlackVine

Yeah that is it. I think it was just announced today which explains why it isn't in stock there or even listed on most sites.

Too late, someone beat me to it yes that is the one.
fast_taker
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(10-13-2016, 11:29 AM)
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awesome news for ps4pro owners!!
boneyjangles
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(10-13-2016, 11:30 AM)
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I noticed someone talking about faster load times here...

http://twinfinite.net/2016/10/ps4-pr...hange-my-life/

.. and that's just with the stock 1TB HDD. Maybe the CPU helps too.

In the first month or so I think the graphical improvements we see from the pro will be few and far between. But load times could be a noticeable improvement in every game.
panthapanda
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(10-13-2016, 11:31 AM)
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Man I still need to upgrade my 60GB SSD from my computer! LOL.
Collingwood
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(10-13-2016, 11:34 AM)
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Nice. By the time I buy a Pro, 2TB SSDs should be reasonably priced.
Raybunny
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(10-13-2016, 11:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by panthapanda

Man I still need to upgrade my 60GB SSD from my computer! LOL.

Oh boy.... 480/512 gb ssds are quite cheap ( 100-130 euros) even MLC ones. Upgrading your 60gb if needed wont be that expensive. I still remember paying 350 euros for the Corsair Force GT 120gb. The feels
Slixshot
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(10-13-2016, 11:36 AM)
Question: What is this going to do? I don't really understand SSD vs Hard Drive.
NEO0MJ
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(10-13-2016, 11:37 AM)
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Can cheap SSDs even have more than like ten games installed at a time? Feels like a waste to be honest.

Originally Posted by Slixshot

Question: What is this going to do? I don't really understand SSD vs Hard Drive.

Much faster loading, for one.
Arttemis
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(10-13-2016, 11:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by Renekton

Don't go SSHD. You get at best mixed results vs a regular HDD.

I thought SSHDs were the best thing short of SSDs, but at the same time, I vaguely recall hearing reports of SSHDs trailing in PS4 loading comparisons.

Does anyone have any info on this?
TGO
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(10-13-2016, 11:40 AM)
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Yeah just seen the price, no thank you
Does normal 2.5 HDD benefit from this
technozombie
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(10-13-2016, 11:41 AM)
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Anandtech has an article about new higher density, dramless drives coming soon at a lower cost. The drives will be slower and have a shorter life span, but would probably be perfect for a PS4 Pro and its SATA3 interface.
Number45
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(10-13-2016, 11:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by Matts Legacy

I'm not good with this stuff. So when I buy my new PS4 Pro this can take a HDD that shortens load times? The 1TB that comes with the console won't be this kind of HDD defaultly? If not can I get another 1TB HDD with those same specs for 50-75 dollars?

You're going to be looking at quite a bit more than that for 1TB.

Originally Posted by TGO

Yeah just seen the price, no thank you
Does normal 2.5 HDD benefit from this

No, because the drive itself is the bottleneck in that case.
Corpekata
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(10-13-2016, 11:42 AM)

Originally Posted by Slixshot

Question: What is this going to do? I don't really understand SSD vs Hard Drive.

SSDs are much faster. Speeds up loading times being the biggest deal when it comes to gaming.

The PS4 has a connector type that was old (SATA2) and the SSD performance on the console was wanting, so some people assume it is the connection type/speed's fault. So people are thinking that the PS4 Pro will get more benefit out of the SSDs.
Slixshot
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(10-13-2016, 11:42 AM)

Originally Posted by NEO0MJ

Can cheap SSDs even have more than like ten games installed at a time? Feels like a waste to be honest.



Much faster loading, for one.

Originally Posted by Corpekata

SSDs are much faster. Speeds up loading times being the biggest deal when it comes to gaming.

The PS4 has a connector type that was old (SATA2) and the SSD performance on the console was wanting, so some people assume it is the connection type/speed's fault. So people are thinking that the PS4 Pro will get more benefit out of the SSDs.



Solid. Maybe I'll pick one up then!
Arttemis
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(10-13-2016, 11:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by technozombie

Anandtech has an article about new higher density, dramless drives coming soon at a lower cost. The drives will be slower and have a shorter life span, but would probably be perfect for a PS4 Pro and its SATA3 interface.

Slower? That doesn't sound exciting. Slower than what?
Raybunny
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(10-13-2016, 11:44 AM)
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Originally Posted by Arttemis

I thought SSHDs were the best thing short of SSDs, but at the same time, I vaguely recall hearing reports of SSHDs trailing in PS4 loading comparisons.

Does anyone have any info on this?

With bloodborne I remember that there were a lot of articles about it.


searching for some info on HDD vs SSHD vs SSD i got:

http://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation...est_Comparison

http://www.tested.com/tech/gaming/45...-hybrid-drive/

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/General...rmance-Testing
John Caboose
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(10-13-2016, 11:47 AM)
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That's good news. I'll probably go the SSD route for when it is time to upgrade to the Pro.
Marmelade
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(10-13-2016, 11:49 AM)
You won't see any real difference going from sata2 to 3 though
novabolt
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(10-13-2016, 11:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by Arttemis

I thought SSHDs were the best thing short of SSDs, but at the same time, I vaguely recall hearing reports of SSHDs trailing in PS4 loading comparisons.

Does anyone have any info on this?

When I had the XBE (The one with the Solid State Hybrid Drive), I really didn't notice a difference in loading times. The only game that was quicker to load was Just Cause 3.
laxu
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(10-13-2016, 11:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by Slixshot

Question: What is this going to do? I don't really understand SSD vs Hard Drive.

Normal hard drives are absolutely terrible at reading numerous small files quickly. Guess what types of files are games full of? SSDs do this as well as large file reading/writing much, much faster, resulting in a lot faster load times and possibly reduces any ingame stutters that could be caused by using more memory than is available (and thus using paging to the hard drive if the PS4 even uses anything like that). Plus no noise since SSDs contain no mechanical parts.
TGO
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(10-13-2016, 11:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by Number45

You're going to be looking at quite a bit more than that for 1TB.


No, because the drive itself is the bottleneck in that case.

So if you don't have a SSD it actually is worse?
Number45
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(10-13-2016, 11:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by TGO

So if you don't have a SSD it actually is worse?

No, a standard mechanical HDD will be a bottleneck even in SATA 2. You'll get the same speeds from those drives using SATA 3, you're just wasting more available bandwidth.

Essentially, in theory, this could significantly improve install/load times when a suitable drive is installed to the PS4 Pro. I'll be waiting for the inevitable DF comparison.
panthapanda
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(10-13-2016, 11:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by Raybunny

Oh boy.... 480/512 gb ssds are quite cheap ( 100-130 euros) even MLC ones. Upgrading your 60gb if needed wont be that expensive. I still remember paying 350 euros for the Corsair Force GT 120gb. The feels

Yeah I had to settle for the 60gb like in 2010-12 or something. Waited for a good deal and just completely forgot about it until now haha.

those windows 10 updates and iTunes iPhone software updates are killing me haha
The Hamburglar
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(10-13-2016, 11:57 AM)
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Even if it supports sata3 there is no gaurentee that load times will be improved. Will need a df article.
FZW
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(10-13-2016, 11:58 AM)
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So are you still limited to a 2TB hdd unless you use the ugly ass Nyko thing?

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