HueyFreeman
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lol ok I'm out of here. We'll revisit this concern trolling when the game releases.
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Shadow of the Colossus (PS4) new trailer from TGS
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lol ok I'm out of here. We'll revisit this concern trolling when the game releases.
LowlySmokeGuy
Banned
I made a quick-and-dirty attempt to match the original asthetic.
You need to make it foggier and give it a slightly bluer tint. This just looks brighter to me.
ronaldthump
Member
astonishing. Day 1!!!!!!
the complaints ITT - I imagine that's what the LOZ WW thread was like?
the complaints ITT - I imagine that's what the LOZ WW thread was like?
Always-honest
Banned
I made a quick-and-dirty attempt to match the original asthetic.
Yeah awesome!
I also made something quick and dirty based on your image ;P
I can't believe some human actually said this
A couple of effects need tuning (add more fog for one) and Wanda still looks like ass, but in general, i think the remake looks much better, even in terms of art direction, there were a lot of things of the original i didn't like (that ugly purple sky, those washed out highlights, etc).
Besides, for the people talking about Silent Hill HD collection: This is not a remaster, this is a remake.
It's supposed to look different.
You wouldn't comb through REmake complaining how the colors aren't a 1:1 match with Resident Evil on ps1, no?
There already is an HD remaster, for preservation purposes, it's on PS3.
On the other hand, Silent Hill never got a remaster, there is no viable way to play those games on a modern system (and the PC versions, aside from needing extended modding, aren't even available digitally), the HD collection isn't a remake, it was supposed to be a remaster, which is why the changes were all the more fucked up.
That said, anyone is free to obsess over every changed pixel, and if you don't like the style changes, that's your prerogative, for sure.
Besides, for the people talking about Silent Hill HD collection: This is not a remaster, this is a remake.
It's supposed to look different.
You wouldn't comb through REmake complaining how the colors aren't a 1:1 match with Resident Evil on ps1, no?
There already is an HD remaster, for preservation purposes, it's on PS3.
On the other hand, Silent Hill never got a remaster, there is no viable way to play those games on a modern system (and the PC versions, aside from needing extended modding, aren't even available digitally), the HD collection isn't a remake, it was supposed to be a remaster, which is why the changes were all the more fucked up.
That said, anyone is free to obsess over every changed pixel, and if you don't like the style changes, that's your prerogative, for sure.
semiconscious
Member
...yeah, imo, there's something just too 'hard'/cold about the redone graphics. the overall softness/warmth of the original's really add to the dreaminess of the whole experience...
Lol, wtf.
I guess this is like that guy who composed this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbbtmskCRUY
when he saw this
which was a copy of this
and said if he saw the original, he never would've composed the music.
Oh, it's hardly this bad. It just needs some artistic flair, is all. Right now it's rather technical looking.
Yeah awesome!
I also made something quick and dirty based on your image ;P
Nice. Still doesn't have that strong silhouette of the original, though. I'm seeing really mild contrast between the Colossus and the rocks.
Cool. That's how the game is supposed to look though. There is no actual lighting, it's just blook and a specific color palette. They could've still improved the lighting without making everything grey, dark and samey. There is no silhouette in the bottom picture and the pale look is gone completely. They screwed up Ueda's artstyle.
I mean that poster is not wrong in the sense that by removing every bit of fog and bloom they took away a lot of the atmosphere. Obviously it's not as bad as the missing fog in Silent Hill but it goes in the same direction.
JudgmentJay
Member
If my eyes rolled any harder at some of the posts in this thread they'd fall out the back of my head. I loved the atmosphere and art direction of the original but this looks just as amazing.
brickarts295
Member
Yeah awesome!
I also made something quick and dirty based on your image ;P
Ok, let's not get unreasonable, that's some Gears of War/Haze level of bloom abuse right there lol. I'll take the remake as is instead of that, no offense
It looks like a version of that effect is still in the game:
Honestly, I'm gonna wait to see some decent chunks of gameplay before critiquing the remake too much. Bluepoint have definitely come much further in bringing a PS2 Ueda game to current gen than I expected from a team that isn't lead by him. There are more things I like about the remake than dislike, but we wont know how faithful it is to the original style until we see like a 10 minute chunk of gameplay or something.
How did you come up with this comparison?
UpUpDownDown
Member
Looks great.
Better in every way.
Better in every way.
Haha, this is what I meant, SH HD's missing fog immediately came to mind.
Just noticed they haven't yet fixed their wack cloth physics.
Better than before I guess.
The poncho in the remake animates more like heavy cloth would, but might look better if stylized a bit to look more expressive. This is something I hope Bluepoint are taking to heart - expression instead of making everything look more naturalistic. SOTC is in many ways the video game equivalent of an expressionist painting. They should keep in mind that while the game is pretty good at depicting nature in a naturalistic way, it is also stylized to be more emotive. They might need to make some art direction tweaks that "don't make sense" in order to translate Uedas visual style to current gen more accurately.
And it's not like it would be hard to figure out the look. There's literally a current generation Ueda game!
What more is it's not a tech limitation, but his art style. Just look at his paintings.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Expression is all well and good but what makes Ueda games so good IS the naturalism seen in the animation The paper looking cloth physics seemed more like a tech issue rather than an art choice. Kinda like how they couldn't have proper physics on the fur of the colossi like they can now.
Side note:That new run cycle also looks a thousand times better than it did before as that was the jankiest part of SOTC core animation. Idk, i'm not getting the complaints. When you increase the fidelity of a game it's incredibly unlikely that the aesthetic will be a 1:1 translation of the original. Especially as you do stuff like actually filling in details that they couldn't fit in before, like higher poly models. It seems that in terms of art direction they made a lot of enhancements to make the game look more cinematic. Which makes sense considering Ueda's love for film.
notacat
Member
don't ruin cyberpunk 2077 for me. Don't.
ForkNetwork
Banned
Lemonte
Member
Just noticed they haven't yet fixed their wack cloth physics.
Better than before I guess.
it is way better than the og
Omnistalgic
Member
seriously the ownership of someone else's art is just mind boggling to me. Both look great, like wtf??
Meh different strokes and whatever.
GoldenCrow
Member
I think it looks great. Preferred the colours in the E3 version but the atmosphere in both versions is brilliant. I hope bluepoint ignore all threads like these and just make their vision of the game as you are never going to appease everyone no matter what you do.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
No idea how someone could look at this:
and think "Man the original looks so much better."
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
To be fair, that's from the E3 trailer, which IMO looked better than what they've shown now. Agreed with your comment about his run cycle. It's so much better in this remake.No idea how someone could look at this:
and think "Man the original looks so much better."
No idea how someone could look at this:
and think "Man the original looks so much better."
yeah, I dont understand it either tbh.
semiconscious
Member
No idea how someone could look at this:
and think "Man the original looks so much better."
maybe because 'greater, more realistic detail' isn't always everything?
...Best run cycle ever
Honestly though, Wander's stride has a certain personality, just like Ico's and the Boy's from TLG.
I agree. Nostalgia in this case is overblown.
I get that the original art style is very strong(and that's why i think SOTC didnt even need graphical asset overhaul in the first place), but looking at what they've come up with, its not bad. I'm glad they tried to do something different with it as opposed to copying rendering tricks that technically were only there in the first place to mask the limitations of the hardware at the time. They are making SOTC but using today's tricks.
supernormal
Member
While I do agree that Remake looks way better than the original (and the remaster) I do like the color grading and lighting in the E3 reveal trailer more than this new TGS trailer.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
They are all very physics based (Ico perhaps lesser than the other two) and reap benefits but also problems from that. Like in TLG, you can even see the physics 'reset drop-down' on the boy, when the scene loads from a save state. His whole body often goes through that drop that physically controlled objects tend to do in games when physics are initialised. I am actually fascinated that they managed to make a player controlled character that relies so much on physics - still be controllable, and not be like controlling QWOP or something.
In case of SOTC, I think they just couldn't sample physcs on his animation fast enough to not make it look/feel glitchy a lot of the time. Ico was so much smoother and more grounded in comparison.
Acquiescence
Member
Well, fingers crossed they've learnt some lessons and the horse riding in Cyberpunk 2077 is much improved.
Baroquemantic
Member
For real. Looks miles better than the original.No idea how someone could look at this:
and think "Man the original looks so much better."
piccio_ssl
Member
i need a collector edition of this
do it Sony
do it Sony
Left is the original
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Hope the final game still looks like that.
Ueda tends to fill his games with lots of realism tho both in terms of animation and the small things like all of Trico's frame dropping feathers. If the man could've put realistic fur on the Colossi back in the day, guaranteed he would've done that. Side note, they better nail the look of the final colossus fight.maybe because 'greater, more realistic detail' isn't always everything?
It looks like they directly emulated the old walk cycle except without the jank. Even as a kid I felt, "man that looks goofy."Best run cycle ever
Honestly though, Wander's stride has a certain personality, just like Ico's and the Boy's from TLG.
semiconscious
Member
quite possibly. but - he didn't! & the results, i'd say, have a beauty of their own...
you want to completely remake sotc? feel free (tho i doubt i'd be interested in playing it). otherwise, in the case of this project, i'm sticking with this: