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Whats with the lack of gender/race diversity in the Marvel vs Capcom Infinite Roster?
- Thread starter Jawmuncher
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people ask for diversity then dont want one of the most iconic black character in MCU.
DC is having the same problem anyway, otherwise they wouldnt be pushing cyborg so hard in everything from Justice league to Injustice.
They could have made ghost rider the Alexandra or Robbie version. Put Miss America and Ms. Marvel in
Your igornace is showing
Your igornace is showing
If this becomes a big deal and enough push is made then the roster is hopefully updated:
Miles Morales
Ms Marvel
Sakura
Spider-Gwen or Silk
Agent Venom
Kaine
Sean
I heard a rumor they can't use X-Men characters but even then plenty of options still exist.
A Sean x Miles teamup would be nice.
It's probably an issue of needing to get the game out but this infinity stones angles gives them to leeway to pull from anywhere if they need to.
Miles Morales
Ms Marvel
Sakura
Spider-Gwen or Silk
Agent Venom
Kaine
Sean
I heard a rumor they can't use X-Men characters but even then plenty of options still exist.
A Sean x Miles teamup would be nice.
It's probably an issue of needing to get the game out but this infinity stones angles gives them to leeway to pull from anywhere if they need to.
Capcom is hella diverse, & the MCU isn't that restricted in female representation. Both sides fucked up. And if the female representation parity rule is an actual thing, then Marvel majorly fucked in in that regard.
RecRoulette
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More people would buy a season pass to play as Vergil than Firebrand.
What are you talking about?
Just street fighter is pretty damn diverse, i mean the very concept of the game was "a tournament with fighters from all over the world", the quality of representation ranges from good to questionable, but there is tons of diversity.
And the Marvel universe has become much more diverse during, like, the last 3 decades, sure the most mainstream known characters are white, but any self respecting comicbook fan could fill the marvel roster with really good diverse characters.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Even without Scarlet Witch (;_, the MCU doesn't exactly have a shortage of females. Plus there's popular comic book characters like Ms. Marvel & Songbird to choose from.
I mean, who else is there aside from Black Widow, Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel? I'd call that a shortage considering the number of films they have released at this point. Yes, Peggy Carter is great but she's not a superhero. And Marvel barely acknowledges the tv / Netflix stuff.
AWizardDidIt
Member
Saying Marvel forced some pairity in females between sides is one of the most idiotic theories I've heard.
The truth is more likely that, like a lot of things in the roster, they just didn't think about it at all.
The truth is more likely that, like a lot of things in the roster, they just didn't think about it at all.
killatopak
Member
I don't know maybe they just went with the most popular ones(and good to market)?
I mean look at it it's avengers vs capcom.
I mean look at it it's avengers vs capcom.
Spieler Eins
Member
What is going on with that art direction?!
My guess would be that:
- This was presumably one of the first games that Marvel signed as part of their console game revival, so they likely put less restrictions and worked less closely with Capcom than their other partners. If you look at the line-up of Spider-Man or LEGO Marvel 2, or even more recent mobile game updates, you will notice a very different approach to this type of thing than Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite has.
- Most of the characters in the game are reused from the previous game, including taking their models and trying to update them. As most of the women in that game on the Marvel side were X-Men, they didn't have a lot of others to pull in. I'm not sure there were a lot of non-X-Men minorities in MvC3 either, but I can't remember that as well. I'm not sure diversity is really a thing that's on the mind of most Japanese developers, so they probably didn't think much about it for the Capcom side.
- Between the above two factors, no one stepped in and went "Actually this is bad." until it was way too late. It did stick out to me that the EVO livestream demo for Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite featured three of the four women in the game, so I suspect they realize they messed up there. They probably would have tried doing that with race as well, except they didn't have anyone to actually put in there except Chun-Li (which they did) and Ryu (which they didn't, but the fourth character was the new character unveil). Marvel's response has been to try to avoid talking about the game as much as possible, only making positive statements or mentioning it in passing, while focusing all their direct marketing efforts on Spider-Man and LEGO Marvel on the console front.
I was going to say that it looks like the Capcom side was selected via putting the UMvC 3 cast on a dart board and taking blindfolded throws, but you have a point.
RecRoulette
Member
Yep. Both Rashid and Ms. Marvel seemed like guarantees when this game first got announce, then the rest happened.
The whole leadup to launch has been so weird. Still can't believe at one point they put out "Magneto is just a function"
Going by the other recent Marvel games, it's likely that Marvel asked for a more realistic art style.
AWizardDidIt
Member
Man, I wish.
Ms Marvel is an easy bet for DLC but with Ultimates ending and her solo book being kinda ass, feels like they're going to sweep Chavez under the rug.
lightskintwin
Banned
I suspect it's an issue they're going to fix in the laziest way possible by DLC skins, specifically for the Marvel characters where you can play alternate versions of the characters.
Wasn't Marvel touting that they've been more hands-on with MvCI than previous MvC games? Plus it's not like Marvel's completely ignoring the game. Their YouTube page still does videos on it beyond trailer releases.
Rynocirator
Member
I'm glad Spencer is in over Vergil. I hate when crossovers give multiple reps to a popular series instead of including a character from a series that has yet to be represented.
Here's hoping for DLC or season 2.
Same, absolutely hated DMC having 3 reps, and Spencer was incredibly fun to play, one of my mains and im glad he is back. Also glad G&G is getting 2 reps.
We could have done without Nemesis tho.
Green Mamba
Member
Much like much of the rest of the game it seems like they just didn't care.
EDIT: Four female characters. Good lord.
EDIT: Four female characters. Good lord.
Vital Tundra
Member
Wow what a shit character selection. Especially the Marvel side, but I guess it can't be helped when all that matters is the MCU.
Yeah, but I feel they're very specifically trying to keep anyone like Bill Roseman or Jay Ong from having to answer questions on the game, because they know exactly what they're going to be asked.
They want to support the product, but they also clearly realize it's not in sync with their messaging.
I suspect the 2018 DLC package will look very different than the current game's roster, and they'll be more willing to be direct with the Marvel Games staff at that point.
dragonzdogma
Member
Maybe it has nothing to do with diversity and all capcoms budget?
Let's take a look here,
rehash characters :
Strider
Zero
arthur
dead rising camera dude
rocket
DR.Strange
hawk eye?
Chris
spiderman
dante
nemesis
ryu
ironman
nova
spencer
chun li
morrigan
hulk
thor
hagar
cap
dormamu
ghostrider
red demon dude
semi New original characters:
mega man x
Thanos
jedah
Brand new characters
gamorra
marvel girl
ultron
I dunno man, the game had so much potential.
I'm so over this game already- I'll buy it one day when is mega discounted,
unless they shock me with Gene from god hand or Leon from RE4 I'll bite.
Let's take a look here,
rehash characters :
Strider
Zero
arthur
dead rising camera dude
rocket
DR.Strange
hawk eye?
Chris
spiderman
dante
nemesis
ryu
ironman
nova
spencer
chun li
morrigan
hulk
thor
hagar
cap
dormamu
ghostrider
red demon dude
semi New original characters:
mega man x
Thanos
jedah
Brand new characters
gamorra
marvel girl
ultron
I dunno man, the game had so much potential.
I'm so over this game already- I'll buy it one day when is mega discounted,
unless they shock me with Gene from god hand or Leon from RE4 I'll bite.
But you can't just take characters from Street Fighter. There's Megaman, Resident Evil, Bionic Commando, Ghosts'n Goblins, Strider, Devil May Cry. When spots are limited, and you have that many franchises to represent, you're trying to represent a franchise in a character - it's probably going to be the lead, the 'A list'. And they will, more often than not, be male.
On Marvel's side there's clearly an MCU focus, and they aren't the most diverse bunch of characters. They don't have access to the X-Men (Pheonix, Storm). I don't know if it was a financial decision, or a Marvel mandate, but the MCU focus means the newer, more diverse characters are absent.
So I can understand how those factors can lead to a lack of diversity in the roster.
From the name of the game to the timing of when the season pass went on sale and the roster choices, this game is all about selling DLC.
butman
Member
Asset Reuse and restrictions.
That's it.
With out the Xmen or the potential of the fantastic 4 you lost a lot of women and at least 1 person of color
And with asset reuse you lost potential for like a hispanic Ghost rider, or any alternate versions of characters who might be different like totally awesome hulk. Who is korean.
So yeah
Money and Corporate politics.
That's it.
With out the Xmen or the potential of the fantastic 4 you lost a lot of women and at least 1 person of color
And with asset reuse you lost potential for like a hispanic Ghost rider, or any alternate versions of characters who might be different like totally awesome hulk. Who is korean.
So yeah
Money and Corporate politics.
This. It look like it was made from a free 3D asset.
This is a great one:
Shinkiro and Nishimura seperately drawing the entire roster.
Those were the days.
That's an evil choice.
...
It is, we don't have yet a screenshot with the characters "revealed" in today's trailer in the Character Select screen.
dragonzdogma
Member
oh ok, I got scared for a second there
You also mentioned Lego Marvel 2, but its base roster was also hit by the Fox ban.
slightconfuse
Banned
When you can't use the X-Men or ff there is slim pickings for women
Marvel's female roster of notable characters are generally tied up in the Xmen, and Marvel is staunch in not wanting to support xmen while they don't retain move and merchandising licensing for them.
And, unfortunately, Marvel doesn't care about She Hulk because there's no easy money to be made off her outside of her book, which isn't being well pushed, and Capcom doesn't care about Hsein-Ko at all because Darkstalkers is dead and Morrigan and Jedah are there for representation.
It's a bad roster.
And, unfortunately, Marvel doesn't care about She Hulk because there's no easy money to be made off her outside of her book, which isn't being well pushed, and Capcom doesn't care about Hsein-Ko at all because Darkstalkers is dead and Morrigan and Jedah are there for representation.
It's a bad roster.
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