CrushDance
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PS3 games list & SPE usages
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Psychotext said:
If you look at some of the descriptions by the more advanced programmers in the OP ...
... they are dynamically using the SPE's. Once you get that sort of design up and running, the allocation of resources is handled for you.
I'm not sure its quite as easy to do something similar with Xenon.
artredis1980
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Onix said:
thing is PPU distributes stuff for the SPE to do , Xenon processors just do it
It should also be noted (in case you missed it) that the 1.8 SDK for the PS3 that got released a couple of months ago allowed devs to take advantage of part of the 7th SPE which was previously completely reserved by the OS.
The advantage of a symmetric processor design. In other words, easier to learn to code on it.artredis1980 said:
It speaks volumes that the original OP didn't even mention the 360 and it's (obvious own sizeable) power yet the FUD is piled on regardless.
Even a carefully worded OP in a thread about CELL can't escape the system wars 'thought Police' that patrol along the threads of GAF with even greater desperation and insecurity since E3 from jumping in and causing havoc.
*sigh*
Amen brother, when someone got a whiff that a poster was daring to talk about the structure of the CELL, Merovingian was parachuted in to nip that right in the bud.
If ou're serious then I don't know who Sony have on their books but they need to get shot of them as they've been caught napping once again.
Because everyone else had their 'people' up in this motherfucker lickety split.
Even a carefully worded OP in a thread about CELL can't escape the system wars 'thought Police' that patrol along the threads of GAF with even greater desperation and insecurity since E3 from jumping in and causing havoc.
*sigh*
pr0cs said:
Amen brother, when someone got a whiff that a poster was daring to talk about the structure of the CELL, Merovingian was parachuted in to nip that right in the bud.
szaromir said:
If ou're serious then I don't know who Sony have on their books but they need to get shot of them as they've been caught napping once again.
Because everyone else had their 'people' up in this motherfucker lickety split.
Merovingian
Banned
Busty said:
What the hell are you even talking about?
Blitz Games (developing games for various platforms):
"While the GPUs are fast and have a big impact on the visual quality and level of game effects, other factors such as general processing power and memory architecture also come into play."
"It does seem that developers have been slow to make use of the SPEs, especially those coming from other platforms perhaps with existing game engines.
At Blitz we are not reserving SPEs for specific tasks but have implemented a more dynamic system that automatically dispatches processing to each SPE making best use of the available resources. "
Source: Guardian unlimited
"While the GPUs are fast and have a big impact on the visual quality and level of game effects, other factors such as general processing power and memory architecture also come into play."
"It does seem that developers have been slow to make use of the SPEs, especially those coming from other platforms perhaps with existing game engines.
At Blitz we are not reserving SPEs for specific tasks but have implemented a more dynamic system that automatically dispatches processing to each SPE making best use of the available resources. "
Source: Guardian unlimited
Xisiqomelir
Member
alske said:
Are you saying that you're unaware of Nike's part in co-designing the Xenon?
PistolGrip
sex vacation in Guam
. so the thread can get back on trackgofreak said:
DongHungLong
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tanod said:
Not true...
7th SPU Still Reserved
Dean Ashton from Sonys Advanced Technology's Group said this is untrue when discussing the 1.9 SDK. I highly doubt they added in the 1.8 then removed in the 1.9.
blindrocket
Member
Didn't a Heavenly Sword dev mentioned they had some sound processing on the 7th SPU? I swear that I read that here.
MonkeyLicker
Art does not make 60FPS @ 1080i with real world physics on the PSf*ckin2.
What the fuck happened here?!
I walk in an see sony fans jizzing everywhere.
I walk in an see sony fans jizzing everywhere.
Buffy4ever
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why are you making comments about the PS3 or 360 if you don't own either system. have you played any of the games on the 360 or PS3? just because a system is more powerful does not mean it will make better game. (just look at the X box and NGC they are more powerful then the PS2.) but alot of the times the game came out the same.sakuragi said:
momolicious
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MonkeyLicker said:
about what?
Psychotext said:
you just shot your self in the foot with that comment dude and not sure if that really helped to support your argument =/
as of late ps3 really is starting to pwn the competetion in terms of visuals .
GT5 is the best looking racing game ever..bar none and its a gen leap from say Forza 2
Killzone 2 - looks quite abit better then Gears of war( you know the showcase game for the 360) and is argubly as impressive as crysis
uncharted looks better then anything on 360
RC:TOD is another amazing looking game
and i wont even mention LAIR...
there isnt one game on 360 that matches the visual fidelity on these titles ,
not to say 360 doesnt have good looking games..because it does and they look amazing on there own right, but as this poster said...let the games do the talking and these titles are evident enough to support my claims
i know i sound like a sony fanboy..and you know what i am a big sony fan but i always give credit where its due and thats the honest to god truth.
this isnt the fanboy side of me speaking , its my own 2 eyes.
have a good day lads , commence flamming now.
MonkeyLicker
Art does not make 60FPS @ 1080i with real world physics on the PSf*ckin2.
TEH-CJ said:
Do you have anything else you want to add or do you just want to go ahead and flush?
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
and the theoretical PS3 performance isn`t at least a little fudged?
regardless - right now , the performance in game of both machines seems pretty much the same, so theoretical or not, fudging or not, results remain similar.
Anyways, i`m sure there are a whole host of lurking devs howling at this thread (from both sides of the fence, and from those being called 'lazy' too!)
I just wonder... if devs became pissed off with gobby hardcore gamers like the GAF collective and other equally vocal boards, i wonder if this would then spur a move towards not supporting "the hardcore" and potential see an increase in Wii/DS games?
yes, you aren`t a fanboy - the fact you can see sonys balls infront of your unbaised eyes is just a coincidence...
i`m not a MS fanboy, well i am, but this is just the truth talking and all that, but hey! what can i say? i just call it like i see it and it`s the truth. All talk, no fanboy!
Anyways, again, sonyfanboy over-reaction to the fore! The games are starting to look VERY good indeed - but you guys always ruin it with "a generation ahead!" "umpossiblez on X360" "unmatched on X360" "no game comes close to this sort of fidelity!" etc...
if you just dialed it down a notch, the post would be okay
Big Shirtless Ron
Member
you're going to catch some serious heat from that post, dude. anyway, i kinda, sorta agree with you.TEH-CJ said:
you shouldn't be pointing fingers, dude. ;pDCharlie said:
DCharlie said:and the theoretical PS3 performance isn`t at least a little fudged?
regardless - right now , the performance in game of both machines seems pretty much the same, so theoretical or not, fudging or not, results remain similar.
Anyways, i`m sure there are a whole host of lurking devs howling at this thread (from both sides of the fence, and from those being called 'lazy' too!)
I just wonder... if devs became pissed off with gobby hardcore gamers like the GAF collective and other equally vocal boards, i wonder if this would then spur a move towards not supporting "the hardcore" and potential see an increase in Wii/DS games?
yes, you aren`t a fanboy - the fact you can see sonys balls infront of your unbaised eyes is just a coincidence...
i`m not a MS fanboy, well i am, but this is just the truth talking and all that, but hey! what can i say? i just call it like i see it and it`s the truth. All talk, no fanboy!
Anyways, again, sonyfanboy over-reaction to the fore! The games are starting to look VERY good indeed - but you guys always ruin it with "a generation ahead!" "umpossiblez on X360" "unmatched on X360" "no game comes close to this sort of fidelity!" etc...
if you just dialed it down a notch, the post would be okay
I do go overboard sometimes yes...
painful fart
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The devs will go where the money is, and right now the future of the Wii is looking pretty good. If it will have games that appeal to the whole GAF community is a very different question.DCharlie said:I just wonder... if devs became pissed off with gobby hardcore gamers like the GAF collective and other equally vocal boards, i wonder if this would then spur a move towards not supporting "the hardcore" and potential see an increase in Wii/DS games?
The 360 and PS3 might have longer lifes though and gain higher volumes when the Wii starts to run out of steam.
Merovingian
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dai said:
The irony in this post is second to none.
Big Shirtless Ron
Member
i'm only messin' with you, dude. shit, i'm pretty much a sony homer, so i shouldn't be pointing fingers either. :lolDCharlie said:
:lolMerovingian said:
Merovingian
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dai said:
It's cool with me man. I just thought it was funny.
tanod said:The air is thick with ironing.
I can hardly breathe now.
The point was that certain PR fudged PPC spec to have 50% higher programmable Flop rating then SPE, when that's not even remotely true theoretically, and real-world only skewes advantages further to SPE side.DCharlie said:
Getting pissed at your audience often probably means you're due for change of work field, or at least a long vacation.I just wonder... if devs became pissed off with gobby hardcore gamers like the GAF collective and other equally vocal boards, i wonder if this would then spur a move towards not supporting "the hardcore" and potential see an increase in Wii/DS games?
Anyway, industry's best talent(techwise) are people that are in it for the mad-scientist stuff (like Nostromo and co.) and they aren't gonna change their mindset. However they WILL start leaving this industry en-masse once/if it turns into a collection of Nintendos greatest casual hits and accompanying Ubisoft's clones.
Crayon Shinchan
Aquafina Fanboy
Fafalada said:
Tech fiends love pushing tech. Good point that can all to be often missed in such a cynical industry/environment.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
DCharlie said:
I see the definition of TOUGH LOVE here
.*DC comes home... *whistling* ... *oh no, what does he sees?* ooooh where are my polygons PS3 ? AAhhh so it is RSX's fault for not being fast enough ?!? Didn't I give you EDGE last month ? *bitchslap* You know, I do it because I love you. Tomorrow, I want MSAA too, else I am so NOT playing Warhawk with you!*
I thought no one from Sony would be allowed in your ranks by definition, how come I see a certain Sir Howard listed
?It must have something to do with the recent fall in popularity of our AKKAWD (Association for Kutaragi Ken Absolute World Domination). At the last meeting, I was the only one that showed up
.Hey..4X AA, HDR, completely dynamic soft shadows and a few milions triangles per frame.. all by RSX, no other help neededPanajev2001a said:
http://n4g.com/ps3/News-63152.aspx
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Nostromo said:Hey..4X AA, HDR, completely dynamic soft shadows and a few milions triangles per frame.. all by RSX, no other help needed
http://n4g.com/ps3/News-63152.aspx
Yeah, but that game was coded by an insane group of really crazy mad scientists (including a womanizer from Italy!).
Also, did not you mean NAO32
?I would like someone grab Phil Harrison for a long talk about PS3 potential. I remember a interview to him with Edge about Playstation 2 the first year and he did a good job trying to explain the potential of the system and how it could be used.
I am not really interested in how many GFLOPS can deal, but about different ways to use PS3 architecture (for example, I found fascinating what Ninja Theory did with armies IA).
I am not really interested in how many GFLOPS can deal, but about different ways to use PS3 architecture (for example, I found fascinating what Ninja Theory did with armies IA).
IIRC there's a part of the memory set aside for the OS which /can/ be used for in-game custom soundtracks if the game supports them. A choice of slightly less "game memory" for added functionality.blindrocket said:
It's not a great stretch of the imagination for me that NT could point the music fetching to their own game music, using some spare clock cycles on the reserved OS SPU for this.
=> More available resources for the game engine.
That, or my speculation is completely wrong. Your pick
Tyrannical
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MikeB said:
All right, this is the pinnacle of utter, utter bullshit.
My car would get 120mpg, assuming the engine runs at 100% efficiency.
These "theoretical" performance numbers mean nothing. More useless then vgchartzzzzz sales numbers. Game code is full of bottlenecks, and nothing runs remotely close to 100% effecivency EXCEPT for carfully made tests desigined to show how perful something is.
It seems, until you watch GT5, KZ2, Ratchet, Uncharted...Might be the talent of developers shining through their games instead of a technical advantage. But, still, those games are technically (not simply ze textures, but animation, lighting, scope) more impressive than anything else out there...
The PS3 has other technological advantage compared to the 360. The system has overall more bandwith and the XDR memory operates at much greater speed. Like is the case with PCs, the unified memory architecture (CPU an GPU, using the same memory) is a technical disadvantage, a performance bottleneck. (On the PS3 both the CPU and GPU have access to both slower and fast memory)
I heard rumours of LittleBigPlanet and Gundam Musou also using 1 SPE. LittleBigPlanet apparently uses it for Physics.
Anyhow a Media Molecule developer stated he enjoys developing for the system:
"We had soft body physics and things like that running early on because we got lots of other smaller things sorted out or decided before hand and even with all that in place theres still loads more headroom. The PS3 has this insane quantity of power, which seems to take a cloth simulator, and then lots more you want to throw at it. Its just a really enjoyable machine to code for."
Source: Wired
Anyhow a Media Molecule developer stated he enjoys developing for the system:
"We had soft body physics and things like that running early on because we got lots of other smaller things sorted out or decided before hand and even with all that in place theres still loads more headroom. The PS3 has this insane quantity of power, which seems to take a cloth simulator, and then lots more you want to throw at it. Its just a really enjoyable machine to code for."
Source: Wired