JigglesBunny
Banned
Because
shoehorning in a decoy Big Boss for a shitty WE ARE ALL BIG BOSS message is amazing?
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Metal Gear: Survive is more fun than I expected
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Leyasu
Banned
I wonder what the enemies will be in death stranding.. especially after the first trailer
Where the hell did this come from. Quote the wrong person?
Leafhopper
Banned
MGSV's plot was bad and people praise it's gameplay all day and it still sold well.
I think this will probably happen again. Well then again this is a multiplayer focus so maybe not.
I think this will probably happen again. Well then again this is a multiplayer focus so maybe not.
I love the idea that Sam not dying -- i.e. the obvious thing that everyone was expecting to happen -- was a negative.
The first thing my fiancee said to me after I beat Uncharted 4 was that she was surprised they didn't do that and glad because we both expected it (and he's a good character).
The first thing my fiancee said to me after I beat Uncharted 4 was that she was surprised they didn't do that and glad because we both expected it (and he's a good character).
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Was this a low key I hate uncharted dig. Cause it was so random
I think it was meant as a, "STUPID AMERICAN GAMES. MY JAPANESE GAMES ARE STILL GOOD, I PROMISE."
Yeah, MGSV had a trash and literally incomplete story. It was one of my biggest gaming disappointments ever. And I simply don't care how good the gameplay is because the story was such an integral part of the MGS series prior to V.
giancarlo123x
Banned
Uncharted and guy have some sort of personal heat. Uncharted wins by default just for having a beginning, middle, and end.
Out of all the things you could point out that's wrong with MGSV's story, you pick that one? If anything, there's nothing "shoehorned" about that at all, considering how many plot threads rely on that twist,
like Volgin going away once he realizes it's not Naked Snake he's been chasing after
Liquid's DNA test coming up negative when compared to Venom
Big Boss dies in MG1, then somehow comes back for MG2
Venom's fate
he's pretty much more heroic than Big Boss ever was
Liquid taking the Metal Gear and fucking off with it, only to never be seen again
Quiet's plot through the game was far more memorable than any character arc I could think of in Uncharted 4. Don't get me wrong, Uncharted 4 had a much more fulfilling and complete story than anything MGSV had, but Quiet's arc was pretty good.
And her design is definitely creative (I'm more talking about her abilities and backstory if anything else, her physical design is just "unique", whether or not that's for all the wrong reasons is up to you though).
Peroroncino
Member
and unfinished, with bland characters to boot [yea, I'm lookin' at you #notreallyanOcelot].
CharminUltra
Member
Something something regret words and deeds something
Screaming Mantis literally has zombies to help her out if you opt to kill the soldiers that she's controlling. Kojima is out of his damn mind if he thinks that zombies are too much for MGS, when they're already present and accounted for!
He created a woman wearing almost nothing because he wanted to have a woman wearing almost nothing in the game.
After that, he made up a "creative" backstory to try and have a reason for it.
Mexican Sting
Member
Aye.
Lololol. C'mon dude. You can argue about execution of the story, but the actual story itself was such trash, and I love the series. The twist itself was cheap.
As for Survive, I may pick it up cheaply for a laugh someday if, I can get friends in on it.
Foxy the Fox
Member
While MGSV story was utter shit on all fronts, the gameplay was great.
Probably gonna pick up this on release date.
Probably gonna pick up this on release date.
Kind of where I'm at. We'll see.
Equanimity
Member
Survive does not play exactly the same way as MGSV. Check out the official gameplay presentation.
xviper
Member
i just saw some clips of the gameplay, it controls exactly the same as MGO3, a bit slower than playing as Venom snake, and they replaced CQC with Melee attacks with weapons such as a spear or a blade, not a game breaker, still gonna play amazing like MGS V
but overall i don't enjoy tower defense games, even if it has the best gameplay ever made which is MGS V's, i'm still gonna give it a shot
is there going to be a SP ? missions and stuff like MGS V ?
Liquids Fate is the only thread left dangling, and even though thats sadly not cleared up in the actual game its resolved in the unfinished Chapter 3 content you can see in the collectors edition disk (its on YouTube too), so Im satisfied
The biggest plot hole that MGSV resolves isnt MGS1, its
how Big Boss survives been killed twice in Metal Gear and Metal Gear: Solid Snake. Venom is the boss who gets killed in MG, and Boss survives been burnt to death by the parasites, exactly the same way that Quiet does in the hospital at the start of the game
Equanimity
Member
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I'm on record stating plenty of issues with Uncharted 4's story but the idea that MGSV's plot is good let alone competently written is laughable. It's misogynistic and worst of all boring garbage. Characters don't develop, the scene direction is terribly awkward with everyone seemingly waiting for their cues instead of having convos, it's straight up unfinished, the meta twist is horribly contrived, even stuff that people praise as good is only good in comparison to how bad the rest of it is. Like nah son.
eyeball_kid
Member
It may turn out to be decent; as others have said, it'd be hard to screw up the base game mechanics and controls of MGSV. It's a near-perfect TPS on gameplay.
But buying it would mean supporting a company that treats its employees (and former employees) like shit, including harassment and outright attempts at blacklisting people. Kojima had difficulties in hiring former Konami employees because Konami attempted to blacklist them from getting healthcare insurance through the industry's association (which a Konami director is chairman of). They've also pressured other game studios to not hire ex-Konami employees, and forbid "ex-Kons" from using Konami on their resume (with legal threats).
I'm interested to see what they come up with, but I can't in good conscience give these people money.
But buying it would mean supporting a company that treats its employees (and former employees) like shit, including harassment and outright attempts at blacklisting people. Kojima had difficulties in hiring former Konami employees because Konami attempted to blacklist them from getting healthcare insurance through the industry's association (which a Konami director is chairman of). They've also pressured other game studios to not hire ex-Konami employees, and forbid "ex-Kons" from using Konami on their resume (with legal threats).
I'm interested to see what they come up with, but I can't in good conscience give these people money.
Right. The biggest problem to me is that it looks like a lazy cash grab.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
Honestly, I can easily see an argument there. Uncharted 4's abysmal pacing really made me dislike the story of UC4. The story of UC4 never ever really kicks off. The entire plot and game seriously moves at the speed of molasses. MGSV has issues, but I never lost interest in what was happening in the story. It managed to keep me interested from start to finish.
Wasn't expecting UC4 spoilers in a Metal Gear thread. That's what I get.
Yeah, best to put him in the ignore list.
Everlya_Apocryha
Banned
What story? Mujahadeen? Something something "make them pay"? Something something 'Skullface' something?
I think you are projecting your own story on what MGSV's plot is based on your familiarity with the MGS lore. Ask a less hardcore MGS player about MGSV and it is be nonsense. Also, if you want to talk about pacing, MGSV story literally was told through tapes.
The entire 'drama' of the fallout of Skullface vs Zero was literally told through tapes. That's your 'good' pacing right there.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
The zombie comment by Kojima is a lot of semantics, but I think what it could mean is that in MGS V and such, while they may act like zombies or drones or whatever, but that they're not undead... I guess? MGS V's zombies aren't undead, and you can remove the parasites to turn the puppets into healthy recruits.
It's sort of an odd thing to say considering how crazy (especially pre-nanomachines sons) MGS can be, but it could be that Kojima just took especial exception with the notion of undead in general in MGS.
As for MG Survive, I'm still intrigued simply because V gameplay has especially satisfaction *snap, crackle, pop* to it, and smoking zombies with plastic bullet riot guns or shotgun headshots have a really great sense of visual and audio feedback. Same for CQC. That could especially be satisfying for 'zombie killing' combat.
It's sort of an odd thing to say considering how crazy (especially pre-nanomachines sons) MGS can be, but it could be that Kojima just took especial exception with the notion of undead in general in MGS.
As for MG Survive, I'm still intrigued simply because V gameplay has especially satisfaction *snap, crackle, pop* to it, and smoking zombies with plastic bullet riot guns or shotgun headshots have a really great sense of visual and audio feedback. Same for CQC. That could especially be satisfying for 'zombie killing' combat.
Exploratory
Banned
Good Lord man...
bobawesome
Member
It's also a dick move to quote said spoilers without making any attempt to obfuscate them, so thanks.
It's brilliant on bath salts
Jangowuzhere
Banned
Whoa, lots of jumping to conclusions here.
Not sure what exactly your argument here is with the tapes = bad pacing. You're not forced to listen to the tapes and you can listen to them at anytime you desire, even when you're playing the actual game. The player has control over how and when they digest most of the game's story. I consider that far better pacing than forcing hours upon hours of slow climbing and walking like Uncharted 4 does.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I believe those were with dormant parasites. If you recall the second breakout, Venom Snake went on to kill the parasite soldiers in the quarantine facility because they were beyond saving.
MGS5 mechanics + Battlegrounds mode, this thing would be untouchable.
Is much as i hate Konami id have a hard time overlooking the Battlegrounds MGS5 mode.
i will buy it for sure, more metal gear its always great, if we were gonna risk all the companies who has bad rep, we probably would skip a lot of stuff we use in our daily basis.
Besides theres no way i would change Pes for fifa just cause konami this or konami that.
I respect the ones who do it, but i just love games.
Besides theres no way i would change Pes for fifa just cause konami this or konami that.
I respect the ones who do it, but i just love games.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Eh?... What about that entire section in MGSV when your own guys get infected with the vocal chord parasite?
Sure, they're not zombies, but they're zombies... essentially.
(In the same way that TLOU, Left For Dead or Days Gone enemies aren't zombies, amirite?)