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Fitness |OT9|...You looked better before
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Psychotext
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DOMS, and it's expected.
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Ok dumb question time: I often see people talk about building lean muscle and strength... but what if I am completely in this for vanity and actually dont care about strength per se? Is lean muscle really different than any ol muscle you build or is that a buzz term? I guess Im wondering what the school of get huge fast and dont care about honest strength and endurance school says
I just didn't expect it to be so extreme lol. It wasn't at all proportional to what I felt during the exercise. I'm sure I'll soon feel nothing though.
Psychotext
Member
They're talking about putting on muscle without fat. It's very difficult to do unless you're an absolute beginner or willing to use drugs.
Vanity lifting is essentially bodybuilding. And strength and muscle building are highly correlated. I mean as long as you're pushing your muscles to your particular limit, they are gonna grow. You can't really do that unless you get strong or build endurance lol.
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Next dumb question: is it smart to do basically no cardio if all you want is to be big fast? I dont really understand what the smart way to integrate cardio is if thats my goal. Seems some people say skip it
Ok good to know
Team Jones
Member
Just upped my first YouTube video; Tabata Push-Ups. I highly recommend those wanting to improve their upperbody implement this four minute session into their daily routine.
https://youtu.be/AnZjrSVUfx4
https://youtu.be/AnZjrSVUfx4
I bike daily...but it's not possible during the winter. So I want to buy an exercise bike for the winter months. Something with a slim profile for small NYC apartment...preferable light, with decent resistance settings. Maybe a decent display? Don't want to spend more than $500.
esmith08734
Member
I think some turd was muttering something under his breath to me about doing rows in a power rack (non-squat rack). Thats a first.
Psychotext
Member
Nice one, though I'm not sure I could get through one section, let alone all of them.
ExplodingKetchup
Member
If there weren't plenty of racks available and you were still doing rows... then you might actually be the turd lol
esmith08734
Member
All three were open and he was doing deadlifts. He literally doesnt even need a rack.
Team Jones
Member
Nice one, though I'm not sure I could get through one section, let alone all of them.
Thank you.
I can't get through all of it without rest; I just rest a the top or bottom of the push-up never falling flat, but it's cool if you do... just get back up and keep going until the buzzer.
Push-ups & Pull-ups are movements that only improve if you do those movements; i.e. beach pressing or lat pull downs have minimal impact on improving push-up or pull-ups.
If it's something you can pull from the floor then pull from the floor. That's bad etiquette.
Dead Prince
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squat was shit today. i'm just going to bench tomorrow and take a rest day after. i need to eat my ice cream.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Any time you have a chance to risk tumbling in a heap to the floor with excessive weight landing on top of you, you have to do it.
Psychotext
Member
Ugh, been feeling dizzy since my turbo trainer session this morning. I have no idea what the hell is wrong with me of late. =/
DivineRage002
Member
Alan Thrall made a video recently saying that a warmup routine was useless, and that simply warming up for squats by doing light squats was a perfectly good warmup.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
theytookourjobz
Junior Member
I lift, not competitively but Ive been weightlifting for a few years now. As far as powerlifts to oly lifts, youre definitely right. Technique is a huge limiter for most. My deadlift is 490 and my clean is only 285. Having said that, I can only overhead press 150 but my jerk is 300. Its super fun if you have the patience, a coach, or some training partners.
That's pretty much how I warm up for squats, or any other compound lift. One set with just the bar to get used to the movement, one set at 135, and then right into whatever weight I'm working with.
Psychotext
Member
Not sure why that wouldn't be considered a warmup. I definitely wouldn't go for a general warmup into full weight squats. I always work up from not much more than the bar.
theytookourjobz
Junior Member
I feel like ever since Alan Thrall started doing stuff with the Starting Strength guys, he just toes their company line on everything. Not that I disagree with empty bar squats being sufficient as a warm-up for heavy squats.
esmith08734
Member
Not all rows have you pull from the floor. Reverse grip is common to pull from pegs. Its not bad etiquette.
VenomousCoffee
Member
My warmup has always been "start with very light weight of the compound lift I'm doing first."
PadPoet
505 Games Ltd
Long time no speak guys. How is everyone doing?
Attended a natural bbing competition in June, a nice experience overall but not something I would do again. The diet and the cardio coupled with work and lifestyle in London was a killer. Reached very low BF levels (5%?) and a very aesthetic look but man my face looked like skeletor.
Some pics:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BZBkJrVBk6A/?taken-by=lucasliaskos
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWBGF61hTSv/?taken-by=lucasliaskos
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVfeJlOBare/?taken-by=lucasliaskos
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVjjfhZBi32/?taken-by=lucasliaskos
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVcOO8KBO3v/?taken-by=lucasliaskos
Attended a natural bbing competition in June, a nice experience overall but not something I would do again. The diet and the cardio coupled with work and lifestyle in London was a killer. Reached very low BF levels (5%?) and a very aesthetic look but man my face looked like skeletor.
Some pics:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BZBkJrVBk6A/?taken-by=lucasliaskos
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWBGF61hTSv/?taken-by=lucasliaskos
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVfeJlOBare/?taken-by=lucasliaskos
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVjjfhZBi32/?taken-by=lucasliaskos
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVcOO8KBO3v/?taken-by=lucasliaskos
Randolph Freelander
Member
I haven't seen that particular video, but I'll start with the bar for 5 reps, then add 50 pounds for 5, then 50 more, etc., until I reach my working weight. This is what was preached in Stronglifts when I started that last summer, and it made sense and I have stuck with it.
Dead Prince
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i watched 2 guys used a squat rack to do curls. like 55# total including the bar. like bitch youre doing nothing but hog the area when people want to use it.
Psychotext
Member
Good stuff. Your face didn't look that bad... you should see mine even at 8%. I look like I'm dying.
I need to get back in shape.
Bit of background: I'm 22 years old, and used to be obsessed with bodybuilding. I started lifting when I was 17, and quickly made gains -- I went from being a skinny kid to looking like a fitness model, peaking when I was around 19 years old. Then life happened, and I fell by the wayside with it, and right now I'm probably in the worst shape of my life. I've been travelling for the last 3 months with no gym access, so that's not helped.
I get home in just over a week, and I'm determined to get back in shape. I've just graduated from University and I've not really got any distractions, taking this next year out from real life and I'm just managing a bar; it's pretty easy, and so I can make fitness a priority again.
I've not really gained much fat, but I've lost a shit-ton of muscle mass, and don't really know where to begin. It's been a gradual decline but it's taken a toll on my self-confidence and self-esteem.
Can only recommend a good split routine? I'm not exactly a newbie, but I suppose I might need a starting strength programme to begin with? My biggest concern is maintaining motivation, but that's something only I can do.
Bit of background: I'm 22 years old, and used to be obsessed with bodybuilding. I started lifting when I was 17, and quickly made gains -- I went from being a skinny kid to looking like a fitness model, peaking when I was around 19 years old. Then life happened, and I fell by the wayside with it, and right now I'm probably in the worst shape of my life. I've been travelling for the last 3 months with no gym access, so that's not helped.
I get home in just over a week, and I'm determined to get back in shape. I've just graduated from University and I've not really got any distractions, taking this next year out from real life and I'm just managing a bar; it's pretty easy, and so I can make fitness a priority again.
I've not really gained much fat, but I've lost a shit-ton of muscle mass, and don't really know where to begin. It's been a gradual decline but it's taken a toll on my self-confidence and self-esteem.
Can only recommend a good split routine? I'm not exactly a newbie, but I suppose I might need a starting strength programme to begin with? My biggest concern is maintaining motivation, but that's something only I can do.
^ bro, you need to updated your account.
Maybe I should make myself clearer. If you're pulling from the floor no reason to use a rack. If you need the pegs fine.
Psychotext
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Did landmine woodchops yesterday. Forgotten how effective that exercise feels.
Razzmatazzer
Member
I don't even know what a warmup routine is, lol. I've always just done like one light set of whatever I'm doing first and then right into my heavy set.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Thrall had older videos where he would do stretching and foam rolling and other things to loosen up. In the most recent video, he just goes straight into the exercise with lighter sets, incrementally getting up to his working weight.
So he still warms up, just under the bar and not on a mat.
Razzmatazzer
Member
Ahh... Reminds me of a dude that used to go to my gym. I swear he would spend just as much time stretching as I spent on my whole routine. I just dont see how thats enjoyable. I mean maybe he had to or something, no idea. But Id be almost done with my workout and Id still see him doing stretches, foam rollers, stretch bands, etc. before he did any serious lifting. He was strong though too, so not knocking him, clearly works for him. I just know I personally wouldnt enjoy that. I enjoy lifting but like to get in and out for the most part. Spending 30 minutes every time BEFORE I even lift anything sounds brutal.
Psychotext
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There are times where I HAVE to do foam rolling / stretches / band work (usually after I've been lifting heavy a while) or get injured.
That said, I hate lifting anyway. I've never really understood how people enjoy it, unless they're working way below their capacity.
That said, I hate lifting anyway. I've never really understood how people enjoy it, unless they're working way below their capacity.
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Most beginner programs seem aimed at 3 days a week and full body. Is it not a good idea to get into splits and 4 days a week as a beginner? I consider myself beginner level with lifting even though Ive technically exercised for a while so Im wondering if its not a good idea to do 4 days a week... and how to do so if the 3 day full body programs arent adaptable to that. Ive got the time and motivation to do more than 3 days I think.
You can. Progression may take longer. I think you'll get the results you want faster with a split routine and cardio, though.
Randolph Freelander
Member
If you do a beginner program such as Starting Strength or Stronglifts, 3 days per week is good until you plateau on one or more lifts. As long as you're adding weight to the bar every workout, don't change the routine. It's working. If you start getting to a point where you can't add weight, first figure out if the problem isn't the routine but rather you. Which is to say, are you giving yourself the right amount of time and resources to recover, what are your rest periods like, what's happening with your form, etc. If you rule that out and have plateaued, then it could be time to change the routine for the lifts affected. For the ones where you're still making progress, don't change. It's still working. Make sense?
From my experience, I've been able to do steady, linear progression with squat. The only things that have stood in the way have been poor form on my part that lead to injury, and then just the mental aspect of being under an increasingly heavier bar. My other lifts such as bench or OHP haven't enjoyed the same long linear growth, so I'm doing more for them, getting an extra day, going for extra volume, and I find that it helps.
But if you're new and/or you're making steady progress, do the program as designed.
Nothing like the arrogance of believing you can just hop right back in to the same high intensity workouts you used to do after not doing them for a few years.
Did the p90 ab ripper workout yesterday...which I used to do 3x a week with increased sets from 25 to 35 reps.
I'm struggling to walk today. It all hurts.
Did the p90 ab ripper workout yesterday...which I used to do 3x a week with increased sets from 25 to 35 reps.
I'm struggling to walk today. It all hurts.
Psychotext
Member
Should have done the P90X / X2 one instead. You'd be lucky to be alive today.
Randolph Freelander
Member
If you make it out of bed Saturday, then you'll probably survive this one.
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Is doing bench press on the floor ok? Someone here mentioned that (I guess it wouldnt be called a bench press anymore). There seem to be some discussions of it saying it is fine...
My leasing office seem like theyre not up for adding a flat bench to the gym and I am not about to go buy one for them
My leasing office seem like theyre not up for adding a flat bench to the gym and I am not about to go buy one for them
mdsfx
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You won't be able to bring the bar down to your chest since your elbows will hit the floor. It seems like you could only do partial reps that way.
ArkhamFantasy
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Use dumb bells instead of the barbell.
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If doing it on the floor you mean?
mdsfx
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Not sure how that changes the problem though. Can you explain?
Edit: Do you only bring your upper arms down until they're parallel with the floor when doing bench? Mine go much further.
Psychotext
Member
Half reps aside, don't do barbell bench on the floor. If you fuck up and have the bar land on you, you have literally no-where to go (and chances are, you're going to be on your own).
Edit - It actually just occurred to me, that full plates would be big enough for most people to fit under... just about.
Edit - It actually just occurred to me, that full plates would be big enough for most people to fit under... just about.
Yeah floor presses are a real thing. Not the most optimal but better than nothing. Do you have the equipment to do it though? Like a rack?
https://www.t-nation.com/training/master-the-floor-press
https://www.t-nation.com/training/master-the-floor-press