Whenever it drops its not going to be a repeat of the original xbox where they killed the system off as quickly as they could. The xbox brand is a very nice moneymaker for microsoft now and they have all the reasons in the world to continue support for their cheaper, older hardware for the mass market.
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Rumor: Xbox successor codename is "Ten". Expected release Holiday 2012.
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DeaconKnowledge
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2012?
Either GAF will be disappointed with its power, or that date ain't happening.
Either GAF will be disappointed with its power, or that date ain't happening.
AtomicShroom
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Did anyone actually read the news item?
It sounds to me like someone simply mistook a Dashboard update for a new console.
It sounds to me like someone simply mistook a Dashboard update for a new console.
DeaconKnowledge
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AtomicShroom said:
The second point looks to be a dash update. Everything else you quoted indicates a new console announcement.
venne said:
The Wii U has an advantage in that it appears to be the case that it can be developed for without a significant markup on development costs compared to the current environment. That is not true of a hypothetical all-conquering ultra-powerful new Xbox.
As a *business move*, I do not believe a new super-powerful console in 2012 is healthy for the industry.
I would think that even if the economy was healthy, actually. People are already objecting quite a bit to the measures publishers are taking in an attempt to retain reasonable profitability. If budgets are going to increase, *where is the money coming from?*
bgassassin
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[Nintex] said:
Very good point that I hadn't seen mentioned. November 15th will be the 10th anniversary of when Xbox was released. Maybe we start seeing/hearing something next week?
open_mouth_ said:so, yeah, basically what I said
I think we can safely assume Loop and Ten are different projects by now.
McHuj said:
I think this description fits Loop more than Ten.
DieH@rd said:
I'm not quite envisioning how you are describing that, but just the thought of an expansion slot sounds like a possible bottleneck to me.
The Albatross
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venne said:
The economy is one of the main reasons why this videogame console generation will be one of the longest or the longest. Over the last four years, most people aren't willing to shed $600 on a new console. In 2012, 2013? Maybe. Hopefully. But expecting consumers to spend $500 or $600 four years after the release of the X-Box 360... in 2009... during the bottom of the recession? Yeah, not likely.
And the example of Nintendo proves my point, a lot of the momentum behind the Wii is from its aggressive price point and that it didn't require sinking a major load of money into something like an expensive new HDTV as well. If Nintendo were to release a new console today, I'd doubt it would be $600.
I'd think about things like:H_Prestige said:
- Chat (Skype?) between Xbox and devices that support Skype (iOS, Android, Windows etc.)
- See / chat / send messages cross-platform (which is already possible via xbox.com, but it could be intergraded into Windows 8).
- Intergraded streaming between Windows 8 Deskop and Xbox Loop.
- Using your Windows Phone as remote.
Those are the kinds of things I am thnking about.
Brolic Gaoler
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Edit: nevermind
bgassassin
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1-D_FTW said:
He wasn't the one giving the info.
DeaconKnowledge
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royalan said:
I don't know that people aren't expecting that. Judging by people's expectations of the power of Sony and MS' new consoles there are to be orders of magnitude greater than Wii U or what the PC is doing right now (There was a thread here with people scoffing at next gen being what Battlefield 3 is doing at max settings on PC). Of those, only the most idiotic are expecting that super box to be 300 dollars.
I've also seen posts with people expecting the next-gen to be like Samaritan video at minimum. Expectations are all over the place.
Infamous Chris
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WrikaWrek said:
Good-looking linear games that are outclassed by massive open-ended games like BF3 on PC that look jaw-dropingly stunning in 64 player servers with tons of shit going on?
...we need a new gen ASAP. 2013 is my bet.
Clear
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venne said:
Not to sound like a marketing douche, but in order to launch a new platform you need to offer *new* experiences *only possible with that platform* or you run the risk of your opposition getting ahead of you.
People have mocked WiiU, but the way Nintendo is going about things seems much more likely to succeed to me than a 1080p 60fps version of a 360.
You need to get people talking, its especially important for MS as outside the English speaking world they have struggled to make much headway and they need to improve their performance in those territories.
More of the same will not cut it.
Pai Pai Master
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WrikaWrek said:
Uncharted 3 was the first time I felt like the PS3 is starting to show its age. No fault of the game, really. It's put together so well, but I'm really getting sick of aliasing in this generation's consoles. It's time for beefier hardware that can output those kind of visuals without sacrificing resolution, anti-aliasing, and framerate.
I know it's going to be a big step above and my expectations will be shattered, but if PS4 games looked like Uncharted 3 at 1080p, 60fps and some good AA, I'd be completely satisfied.
DeaconKnowledge
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[Nintex] said:
infinityBCRT
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By the way, this is actually the second week that Thurrott has mentioned that "Ten" is the codename. Last week he mentioned it briefly but wanted to do dig around for more info it seemed. He also is dismissive of the MS Nerd leak.
I think the reality will be somewhere in the middle. I agree what was being said earlier in this thread: MS and Sony are going to pick a price they feel is competitive ($350 - $450) and try to smartly cram as much into a console as they can while fitting that price.
I don't think either are going for everything-but-the-kitchen-sink boxes again next gen. It was near unanimously agreed that cost of entry into this gen was way too high - especially in Sony's case.
H_Prestige
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This is just another bullet point at most, not a game changer.[Nintex] said:
Lovely Salsa
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I pee on everyone that doesn't think that the next gen consoles will have next gen graphics.
Where are the trolls now?
Where are the trolls now?
snoopeasystreet
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Xbox Live is 10 years old in 2012...
DeaconKnowledge
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I really feel that we're getting to the point of diminishing returns - Namely, it's going to get massively expensive to increase the fidelity of the graphics even a little bit. We're seeing this already with the heat and power requirements of the latest graphics cards.royalan said:
I agree with you in that expectation that MS and Sony will try to cram as much as possible into a feasible price, though that restriction alone; a sensible market price, will automatically dictate the power of the console. Sony and MS surely aren't going to kill themselves trying to create graphics monsters like last gen. Ten and PS4 will be marketing driven, not engineering driven.
60_gig_PS3
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the 360 is still $300 there's not going to be a new console until it hits $150
Lovely Salsa
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60_gig_PS3 said:
Keep telling yourself that
H_Prestige
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It's $200.60_gig_PS3 said:
DeaconKnowledge
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Also, I think more should be made of the "Apple like" comment - namely, Apple's platforms aren't known for being computing behemoths, but instead simplify and streamline processes.
IMHO they should, especially because they saw the 3DS after 2 months and the 3DS now. Look at how the situation has changed in a few months.Shtof said:
That's the most impressive and quick turning tide they could accomplish, so yes, Sony and MS should at least keep an eye on what Nintendo does and not let them sail their way like they let the Wii, risking the shipwreck themselves.
Yes, I'm really proud of my semantic! :O
H_Prestige
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The home console market is a completely different beast. Entirely different circumstances. Nintendo doesn't have anything close to an iron grip in this market, especially not in the last 1-2 years.Grampasso said:
And what exactly is the 3DS doing outside of Japan?
Why wouldn't MS follow the same formula that worked with 360?
Start out with a $399 hardcore system. Let this ecosystem develop, and mid cycle bring out Kinect 2.0 and resposition it as a more casual device?
If Sony is a year or more away, this would work. There have been rumors of a 2012 PS4 launch, but I doubt those are substantial. Crazy though if all three systems launched next fall. I'd be all for it.
The PS3 and 360 can only do so much. They can't go any further.
Start out with a $399 hardcore system. Let this ecosystem develop, and mid cycle bring out Kinect 2.0 and resposition it as a more casual device?
If Sony is a year or more away, this would work. There have been rumors of a 2012 PS4 launch, but I doubt those are substantial. Crazy though if all three systems launched next fall. I'd be all for it.
Xun said:
The PS3 and 360 can only do so much. They can't go any further.
60_gig_PS3
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Lovely Salsa said:
unless they pull a Sony and launch the next xbox at $600