R10Neymarfan
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Sounds good to me but it has to be XDR RAM not GDDR3
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Kotaku(Jan23): Have official Orbis docs; Devkit: PS4- 8GBRAM,2.2GBVRAM, Controller
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Sounds good to me but it has to be XDR RAM not GDDR3
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Same here. As long as I can disable it, I'm fine, though.
somuchwater
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There was someone on GAF who said that including XDR and the Cell would add $85 dollars to the cost of each PS4. If that's true, there's no way it's happening.
These specs seem to point to a split memory architecture.
4GB DDR3 main RAM + 2 GB GDDR5 video memory for the final hardware.
Although the 4GB of total GDDR5 memory aren't necessarily excluded, afterall it's just a preliminary devkit.
At this point I'd wait for the Vgleaks article. About the controller, if they have to put a touch pad, put it on the front. The rear touch pad on the Vita hasn't worked really well so far.
4GB DDR3 main RAM + 2 GB GDDR5 video memory for the final hardware.
Although the 4GB of total GDDR5 memory aren't necessarily excluded, afterall it's just a preliminary devkit.
At this point I'd wait for the Vgleaks article. About the controller, if they have to put a touch pad, put it on the front. The rear touch pad on the Vita hasn't worked really well so far.
systemfehler
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Depends on the BC implementation because if I remember correctly GDDR3 was for RSX and hopefully Cell can just access the main GDDR5 of the PS4.
Napalm_Frank
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Wait... Are we suggesting PS4 might have full BC with PS3?
Can Crusher
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Holy f"#$%,
These specs are amazing.
These specs are amazing.
Flame Lord
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Dissapointing hard drive space. Everything else looks cool though.
uncleniccius
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It is a dev kit as the article and the thread pointed out. It seemed to say that was a lot for a developer kit.
phosphor112
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Holy f"#$%,
These specs are amazing.
Dev kits. 8gigs + 2.2g vram = not gonna be in retail, at all.
phosphor112
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IF the ".2" is 256mb of ram, then yeah, it's very well possible. That "compute" module the VG Leaks rumor mentioned can mean it's a pack of SPE's that attatches to the Amd package. Having the 256mb of ram WITH the "special compute" module would be able to emulate the Cell that way.
That's assuming the compute module is what I think it is...
astroturfing
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whats this talk about BC?
i would love to have proper BC on PS4... there's plenty of PS3 games i still want to play years from now, and my PS3 isn't gonna last forever :/
i know that feel
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i would love to have proper BC on PS4... there's plenty of PS3 games i still want to play years from now, and my PS3 isn't gonna last forever :/
i know that feel
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Can Crusher
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Still, the target(according to this kit) is pretty high so it gives me a lot of hope.
[Clark Gable]
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4gb of DDR3 1gb of gddr5. Makes no sense, sounds exactly like Sony.
This also gave credit to the rumor new devkits with 8GB or 16GB of ram
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PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base
"Orbis, we were told today, is based on the AMDs A10 APU series. An APU (Accelerated Processing Unit) is a combined CPU and GPU.
PS4′s APU was described today as a derivative of existing A10 hardware. The hardware is based on A10 system and base platform.
The ultimate goal for the hardware, we were told, is for it to be able to run 1080p60 games in 3D with no problem, to create a machine thats powerful enough for today and tomorrows market.
The dev kits have either 8Gb or 16Gb of RAM. Deduce from that what you will. "
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PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base
"Orbis, we were told today, is based on the AMDs A10 APU series. An APU (Accelerated Processing Unit) is a combined CPU and GPU.
PS4′s APU was described today as a derivative of existing A10 hardware. The hardware is based on A10 system and base platform.
The ultimate goal for the hardware, we were told, is for it to be able to run 1080p60 games in 3D with no problem, to create a machine thats powerful enough for today and tomorrows market.
The dev kits have either 8Gb or 16Gb of RAM. Deduce from that what you will. "
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Napalm_Frank
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How much would it basically bumb the cost of the package? And are the extra memory and SPEs usable on PS4 games to do some extra work or are they pretty much idle? Or OS work?
systemfehler
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If the Cell makes a comeback it could be the rumoured compute unit and indeed be fully useable by the PS4.
Cost would go up but the whole going "retail" AMD hardware might help.
Captain Pants
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This is a quick photoshop I worked up that could make sense. Removing the start and select buttons, moving the PS button down and smoothing over the bevelled edge between the edge of the controller and the center would give plenty of room for a touchscreen without being gimmicky.
The start and select buttons are somewhat irrelevant. Anymore the select button is just used as another face button, and the functionality of the start button could be folded into the PS button. One button press pauses the game, and a double tap of the PS button could bring up OS features. For backwards compatibility, the left side of the touch panel would be the select button, and the right side would be start.
The start and select buttons are somewhat irrelevant. Anymore the select button is just used as another face button, and the functionality of the start button could be folded into the PS button. One button press pauses the game, and a double tap of the PS button could bring up OS features. For backwards compatibility, the left side of the touch panel would be the select button, and the right side would be start.
yurinka
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I'd say that 8GB may match with the 4GB info, if this is dev specs and the 4GB are final specs. As I know devkits use to had more the RAM than normal SKUs due to run debug tools + unoptimized code.
Regarding 2.2VRAM, I bet it's 2GB for the dedicated GPU, plus 256MB for the GPU part of the APU (for OS, Eyetoy, streaming etc) or EDRAM.
The controller will feature an RGB light. Does it means that DS4 = Move 2?
Regarding the touchpad, if they are going to do it why not to put a Vita inside the pad as if it was a giant VMU?
I'd like to see the 90 pages pdf btw
Regarding 2.2VRAM, I bet it's 2GB for the dedicated GPU, plus 256MB for the GPU part of the APU (for OS, Eyetoy, streaming etc) or EDRAM.
The controller will feature an RGB light. Does it means that DS4 = Move 2?
Regarding the touchpad, if they are going to do it why not to put a Vita inside the pad as if it was a giant VMU?
I'd like to see the 90 pages pdf btw
Paddington Bear
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I don't understand why you'd feel strongly about it. At worst it is meh... I don't think it breaks the system
phosphor112
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No idea on costs. I suspect the compute module is the "cell-like" packages that Sony patented in 2010. They "plug" into any x86 or PPC. They can either stack on top, or TSV the 256mb of memory to achieve the speeds that XDR had.
Doing this will allow for not only BC, but yes, processing for PS4 games. I honestly expect it to be used for things like post processing, anti aliasing, DSP (sound processing) and other PS4 media related functions.
I may have drank too much of the Jeff Rigby Koolaid, but that is the ONLY thing that makes sense to me...
We have a rumor of an extra unkown "compute module" + ".2"gigs of ram... add those two together and you get BC and extra PS4 horsepower.
Napalm_Frank
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Next week I think?
when it's ready
R10Neymarfan
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Well would it be disappointing if it was an SSD?
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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Regardless, the 160gb is for the devkit as it says in the article. The true retail space is probably much larger. To compare, does anyone know how much hdd space the original ps3 devkit had?
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the controller needs to be a bit bigger than DS3
Manmademan
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This is a quick photoshop I worked up that could make sense. Removing the start and select buttons, moving the PS button down and smoothing over the bevelled edge between the edge of the controller and the center would give plenty of room for a touchscreen without being gimmicky.
The start and select buttons are somewhat irrelevant. Anymore the select button is just used as another face button, and the functionality of the start button could be folded into the PS button. One button press pauses the game, and a double tap of the PS button could bring up OS features. For backwards compatibility, the left side of the touch panel would be the select button, and the right side would be start.
start and select are still relevant because ps1, ps2, and ps3 games require them during gameplay. if sony wants to continue to sell them via the store they have to be there.
since the touchpad is rumored to be clickable, I can see getting rid of the PS button, (it has no gameplay use) and having the click pad take over that functionality, while keeping start and select.
Captain Pants
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Like I said at the end of my post, they could be easily emulated by touching the left side of the pad for select, and the right side for start. In any case, I was just playing around during some downtime at work. I imagine I'm nowhere near what the Orbis controller will look like. I was just thinking of easy ways to get a nice flat touchpad on a familiar form factor without sacrificing much.
Kun Aguero
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I don't own a Vita, what's the problem with it's touchpad, just that it's to big and gets touched accidentally? Or are there other issues as well?
phosphor112
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All I've heard so far about Orbis sounds like total BS considering Sony's financial situation. Unless they want to just repeat all the mistakes that cost them this generation and start at $599. It just doesn't make any sense at all. Even if they would release a system that's almost 50 % more powerful on paper than Durango (and we know how it turned out with the more powerful PS3 against 360) all the games will be developed with Durango in mind. Especially if that console is $300 cheaper at launch.
So what do I make of all those rumours? Nothing but the current version of those infamous render trailers that Sony put up against Microsoft at E3 05. They are teasing a more powerful PS4 and in the end both systems will be on par. There's a reason why Sony says they will wait for the competition to put their cards on the table. So they can scale back their setup to what is necessary instead of going all in with an expensive console.
Sony has Gaikai. It doesn't make sense to put powerful tech in a box when it will be made redundant during its life cycle. Sony and Microsoft will want to be profitable from day 1 with their new consoles. Don't expect miracles.
So what do I make of all those rumours? Nothing but the current version of those infamous render trailers that Sony put up against Microsoft at E3 05. They are teasing a more powerful PS4 and in the end both systems will be on par. There's a reason why Sony says they will wait for the competition to put their cards on the table. So they can scale back their setup to what is necessary instead of going all in with an expensive console.
Sony has Gaikai. It doesn't make sense to put powerful tech in a box when it will be made redundant during its life cycle. Sony and Microsoft will want to be profitable from day 1 with their new consoles. Don't expect miracles.
systemfehler
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Could be - a good idea especially because the SpursEngine features (256MB?) dedicated XDR Ram...
damn, that sounds too good to be true
phosphor112
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Their patent doesn't include the ram, I don't think... let me find it.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20100312969.pdf
Seems to use shared memory.
Here is Toshiba's presentation on SpursEngine, but I expect Sony to use their design to not have to use XDR.
http://sti.cc.gatech.edu/Slides2008/Maeda-080711.pdf
It really does, but I like to think Sony isn't completely brain dead.
AgentP
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No no no. It is a dev kit, a early one. What else can they cheaply put together, every PC worth while for games has dedicated VRAM. The final dev kit will be based on the final hardware, which doesn't exist yet. Early PS3 dev kits reportedly had 6800s in SLI.
I have made up my mind about not having BC for PS4, so I won't be disappointed if they don't have it for real. BUT if they do this and actually get BC, I would be over the moon.
Now THIS could be a real awesome wizard's jizz lol
Today they posed useless pool for orbis hardware... http://www.vgleaks.com/what-do-you-expect-about-orbis-hardware-poll-inside/
phosphor112
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Yeah, you can't really buy GDDR5 RAM chips for the desktop...
phosphor112
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I agree, and I'm sure Sony realizes that. The question is, is it worth it, cost wise, to put BC in, so people can still buy the lineup of games that are already on PSN? I think the answer is yes.
By the time PS5 comes around, PS3 BC wouldn't be an issue, if they even really needed it.
Because any game that uses it has me accidentally triggering the pad. I hate it and any game with it is worse off for it. The only reason it doesn't break the system is because most of the games I play don't use it or make it optional.
Having any kind of touch pad will make devs feel forced to shoe-horn in mechanics that use it. That's bad for me. I don't want that.
They could just have a BC and non BC model?
Seeing the backlash for that very design decision this gen - nope. One way or no way at all. I can't see Sony making the same mistake again especially after catching shit for it.
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