Aztechnology
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I'm out of the loop on this one... What's up with it?
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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I'm out of the loop on this one... What's up with it?
mitchman
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It's fine for its price for UHD BD playback. I bought it to use it on my 65" B6. Hates will hate.
TheBoss1
Member
Just remember what you paid for your B6 then look at the current price of the A1E.
I'd highly suggest seeing if you can use price protection, if your credit card has it, to bring that price down. It's not a bad price, if you're just talking strictly retail, but you can definitely bring it down.
As far as players.. lol. Just read back a couple pages.
Just read back a couple pages.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Do we have any info about the Scorpio blue ray UHD player? Will it be same as the Xbox one S?
BriareosGAF
Member
Lord, $4k for the 55"? So +$1k over the C7?
theSlacker
Member
So then. What are the current good prices for a B6?
vpance
Member
TheBoss1
Member
I think a fairer comparison would be the E7 vs A1E. Both provide a better sound solution and the designs are supposed to be more premium, even if every 2017 OLED panel are the same. I'm sure if Sony didn't try to sell us the their Acoustic Surface sound technology on this set, it would have been a lot closer in price to the C7. Also, they are getting their panels from LG.
BriareosGAF
Member
I would be very curious to see the metrics on who spends $4k on a TV and uses the built-in audio. One assumes they do the market research to show the value there, would love to see that deck.
IMACOMPUTA
Member
Is HDR10+ every bit as good as DV or does DV have more than just the meta data advantage?
DagnastyEp
Member
CNET's David Katzmaier has his review of the OLED 7 series (he tested the 55C7 and 65E7): https://www.cnet.com/products/lg-oled55c7p/review/
I've always really liked David's reviews. I bought my 2009 Panasonic Plasma based on his review at that time. Even though HDMI 2.1 is on the horizon, I think I'll pick up a C7 this fall - I'm willing to wait for a bit more of a price drop, but I don't want to be waiting forever.
I've always really liked David's reviews. I bought my 2009 Panasonic Plasma based on his review at that time. Even though HDMI 2.1 is on the horizon, I think I'll pick up a C7 this fall - I'm willing to wait for a bit more of a price drop, but I don't want to be waiting forever.
vpance
Member
From what I read, the main difference is that DV supports 12 bit color depth and HDR10+ supports 10 bit only. Otherwise they seem to be trying to do the same thing. Also HDR10+ is a free and open standard.
I think either one will take on quick. Dynamic metadata comparisons really shows how dumb current HDR mastering is, and why most of it is so dim in average brightness.
Later Alligator
Member
i'm actually using the built in sound bar on my e6. i have a proper 5.1 setup, but just moved to a townhouse and haven't bothered setting it up yet
other than the low end being pretty much non-existent, it sounds quite nice
Thanks for the advice, I had no idea about price protection. I skimmed through the hubbub about the players...staying away for now
RedlineRonin
Member
The amount of articles with "hands on review" in the header for a TV that they saw at CES or a press show is kinda shitty.
Really hungry for some more of these A1E impressions.
Really hungry for some more of these A1E impressions.
Asked this a couple of pages back but figured I'd give t one more shot:
Any good/affordable soundbar recommendations for a B6? Preferably sub-$200, I just want to be able to host aroun 20 people in my living room for a movie night and the built in speakers on the B6 (while serviceable for normal viewing) just don't cut it.
Any good/affordable soundbar recommendations for a B6? Preferably sub-$200, I just want to be able to host aroun 20 people in my living room for a movie night and the built in speakers on the B6 (while serviceable for normal viewing) just don't cut it.
Shift Breaker
Member
I've been looking for something on the budget end for 4K TVs. Seen a Sony KD43X8305CBU at Costco for around £540, anyone got one, know what it's like? Looking to just get the most out of my PS4 Pro, it's a 2015 TV so I'm not sure about the HDR capabilities and Google is a little conflicting.
TheBoss1
Member
Yeah they are extremely desperate for clicks since this is a much anticipated TV. I always have doubts about these "reviews" until the reputable sites (RTINGS, AVForums, etc.) post their respective reviews. You can tell by the lack of details or the rehashing of old information that these guys didn't actually get a unit in for review.
It is absolutely unnecessary if the display has a factory calibration which displays all source gamuts as accurately as possible.
You have high-end broadcast monitors that cost five figures which don't even have user-facing color management systems either.
While I appreciate the strides that have been made to improve calibration options, better factory calibration so that they are no longer required is a far better solution.
You can't do that for grayscale since it will change over time, but color gamut should not.
Pioneer displays were always overrated.
People wouldn't have been holding them in such high regard if it was not for the black level.
Things are going to get really interesting once Panasonic has those 1000 nit, 1,000,000:1 IPS panels in widespread production.
Eizo have announced a monitor using the 31" panel.
Unfortunately they probably won't appear in a consumer TV any time soon.
Panasonic should release a high-end TV using one though. Even if they charge $10,000 for it, they should sell it just to show what they are capable of.
I use the built-in sound on my E6 when I'm not using my bluetooth headphones.
Not investing in a sound system until HDMI 2.1 support is out.
holygeesus
Banned
I think that line of thinking is kinda why people questioned buying an Xbox S for UHD playback a few pages back. If you are going to pay big money for a TV, why then feed it with a (arguably) substandard source?
My thoughts are, that I got my B6 for quite cheap, and I've never owned a television of this caliber. I also plan to buy a Scorpio, and don't want to throw more the $200 into a standalone player if I'm throwing $400 (hopefully) into the Scorpio in 6 months or so.
I have to ask myself if I'd notice the difference between players if I've never noticed this kind of this before, but I've never noticed this kind of difference because I've simply never has this kind of top tier technology in my home.
Jigolo
Member
Why fuck Dolby Vision? Both formats can live.
Anyway here's an interesting post from AVS regarding this
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...000-4k-uhd-owners-thread-48.html#post51396705
Oddly enough this is dated 3/10/17 (before todays announcement) which leads me to believe that this is true. Samsung flagships gonna come with HDMI 2.1 next year confirmed as far as I'm concerned.
vpance
Member
Just kidding about DV. Seems like it'll be easy enough to support both, especially since DV doesn't actually require special hardware and neither does HDR10+.
Samsung has said that existing UHD players may be able to be updated to play HDR10+ too.
I'm guessing that most TVs and every player from last year and beyond can actually support both DV and HDR10+, and manufacturers are just yanking our chains for whatever reason.
Jigolo
Member
I don't think the discs will play HDR10+. The players will probably be updated to support 10+ for apps.
vpance
Member
I don't buy it from a technical standpoint, but we'll see. Apps first then discs later, if the content starts flowing. I think it's just a question of manufacturers wanting to wall off support for it or not for new models. That goes for both DV and HDR10+.
Aztechnology
Member
The KS8000/9000 are considered the 2016 models right?
vpance
Member
Yup. Worst case they'll only get HDR10+ via streaming but I doubt it.
Also, how much UHD disc-based content will you be watching? If you plan to amass a huge physical collection, maybe a standalone player is right for you. If not, the xbone player will suffice.
vpance
Member
It's an open format so they can support it if they want to. In other words, if it gets popular then yeah, which is why Samsung is pushing for it I guess. Maybe they just really hate paying Dolby royalties.
Samsung was one of the big early supporters of HDR10 too, when they first partnered with Amazon.
I have used the Xbox One S and the Oppo 203. I didn't do any technical comparisons between the two, but when I was using the Xbox I thought it looked great. It was the first UHD disk play that I experienced though, so take it with a grain of salt. I had issues with some disks not playing, and some stuttering and such. The Oppo has experienced its own growing pains (new format after all) but aside from a layer change stutter on Deepwater Horizon, I haven't had any problems with the Oppo for disk playback.
I'd suggest going to AVS and reading this thread:
Linky
For movie playback, Limited is more than fine, but it does suck that Full (RGB) may still be broken for gaming.
Thanks for the input!
I have amassed a decent Bluray collection, but plan to only invest in UHD discs if the transfers are reviewed really well from the 4K master.
The only UHD disc I currently own is Arrival, but it was only $5 more than the regular Bluray.
I would personally recommend that you not get too hung up on whether it's been shot and mastered in 4k. Many titles that were shot or mastered at a lower resolution look fabulous due to HDR. Personally I think HDR is more important than 4K.
There are exceptions of course. A handful of movies are just totally jacked up regardless.
BriareosGAF
Member
I just want to see data, not anecdotes. Looks like NPD did a soundbar survey a few years back, but that was more about usage, at least in the reporting. Some very small sample size reports from Consumer Reports out there, too, but I can't find any larger surveys that are publicly disclosed.
theifofdreams
Member
If i have a pretty large 3d movie collection, is there any downside with going with the 65" C6 over the B6? will picture quality take a hit? they seem to be priced about the same, with the C6 being easier to find.
Only C6 supports 3D between the two.
Will all Blu Ray discs take advantage of HDR? Or must it be UHD Blu Ray that is mastered for HDR in some way?
It has to be mastered in that way, but I don't think I've seen an UHD Blu-ray that isn't.
3D on the C6 is simply amazing.
C6 owner here. This is a fantastic TV. From what I've heard, the C6 has a slightly better processor (mainly for 3D I think) so it has lower lag than B6, if marginally, and it shares its DNA with the top-end, also-3D E6. So yeah, go for it.
Endorphineforeverybody
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http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850e
The Review some of you were waiting for.
31,34 ms lag 1080/4k
The Review some of you were waiting for.
31,34 ms lag 1080/4k
theifofdreams
Member
Aztechnology
Member
I love all these sets supporting 1080@120hz now. Give me HDMI 2.1 Freesync and 120hz support for higher resolutions and I'll dump my KS8000 in a heartbeat.
RedlineRonin
Member
Manufacturers are really raking people over in this 4k generation. 1.4hdmi, 4k/30p, hdmi 2.0, 4k/60p, then HDR, DV, HDR+, now we're talking about hdmi 2.1, VRR, etc. Its upsetting to a lot of people it seems. Confusing. Trigger shy because fear of pulsating.
All these standards are out of control. Its not just minor IQ enhancements either like in brightness or color.
All these standards are out of control. Its not just minor IQ enhancements either like in brightness or color.
Aztechnology
Member
The home display industry was fairly stagnant for a long time. Mobile displays and devices continued to be revised and pushed forward while a lot of people sitting on their home TV sets for the better part or a decade. I can understand why they are suddenly just are trying to make constant leaps.
I'll probably upgrade from my E6 whenever PS5 etc come out and take advantage of VRR.