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Formula 1 2017 Season |OT2| A Dutch Horror Story - Sundays on Sky
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Jezbollah
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If we can get through stepped noses and penis noses, we'll do just fine with a year of halos on the cars.
I was actually thinking about the penis nose season while typing up that we'll get used to the Halos...
Jezbollah
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The problem with this is two-fold. There is an aero effect with the Halo. If you have a choice, you have a potential design imbalance should team mates opt to have and not have the device.
Also, if there is any aero benefit of not having it, then other drivers may feel that they are at a disadvantage running it, which basically forces them on a competition basis not to run it at all.
So in both a design, cost and safety basis it has to be mandated for all.
Piquet Jr. joins Jaguar for the next season.
http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2017/september/nelson-piquet-jr-joins-jaguar-for-season-four/
http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2017/september/nelson-piquet-jr-joins-jaguar-for-season-four/
Honestly don't think it's polarising. People hate how it looks. That's universal.
They also know that a device like this would probably have saved 5 drivers around the world in the last decade or so.
Just like not allowing drivers to choose to use drs in the wet, this has to be mandated.
The Halo genie is out of the bottle now. If someone were to suffer a head injury next year because the Halo wasn't fitted, the FIA and FOM would be open to litigation and criminal charges. "This driver died because the car would have looked ugly otherwise" is not a good look.
How many drivers have suffered head injuries through purely racing accidents of the kind that may have been prevented by halo - not as a result of eg on track vehicles etc?
FrankCanada97
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Off the top of my head since 2009, four drivers. Massa in Hungary, Surtees (fatal) in Brands Hatch, Hinchcliffe in Indy and Wilson (fatal) in Pocono. A halo or similar cockpit protection may have deflected the objects that struck them. Personally, I preferred the aeroscreen that was also tested. But if the FIA believes the halo to be the best option, then so be it.
On top of those listed above. There have been multiple instances of cars going over other cars just in F1 where the driver was lucky not to get cracked on the head. Spa 2012 for example.
Formula-E is racing in Zurich, Switzerland on June 10 - http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2017/september/formula-e-brings-racing-return-to-switzerland/
FrankCanada97
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The FIA changed the superlicense points structure. It is still 40 points to earn a superlicense, but now only IndyCar and Formula 2 can reward the maximum 40 points for first place. They also added some more series eligible to reward points including NASCAR Cup.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-superlicence-points-revamp-f2-indycar-956108/
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-superlicence-points-revamp-f2-indycar-956108/
They should add LMP2 too.
Biggest change is that this prevents young F3 drivers to jump all the way into F1.
FrankCanada97
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Yeah, that's basically what the IMSA series' top class is anyways.
Jezbollah
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I highly doubt the Halo could have prevented Massa's injury in Hungary. However the Halo would have prevented Maria Di Vellota's incident at Duxford. Also, Jules Bianchi at Suzuka.
JadedWriter
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The G forces alone would have killed Jules.
FrankCanada97
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I'm not so sure about that, Kenny Bräck survived a 214 g impact. Would a halo have significantly increased the g-force of the impact with the tractor?
endlessflood
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Proper procedures would've saved Bianchi as well. That still makes my blood boil, and probably always will.
FrankCanada97
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The chain of events on that day was just unreal. The typhoon incoming, refusing to change the start time, the first red flag, reducing daylight, Sutil spinning off, the medevac helicopter being unable to take-off. If any of those events played out differently, maybe we would still have Bianchi.
Wohoo. A race in my hometown! Looking forward to it.
For those unaware, Switzerland as aquite negative relation to car racing. We had a Grand Prix until 1955 (was very old school Spa like track), but after the big Le Mans accident car races in Switzerland were forbidden. There was a Swiss Grand Prix a few times, held in France (Dijon).
They recently changed the laws, but only for E-Racing.
Or you know, drivers actually going slow under caution. That's really something that needs more regulating.
Jezbollah
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This was actually the primary cause of Bianchi's accident (also procedures as mentioned - specifically when it comes to marshalling around Suzuka, which has always had me on the edge). This incident was the reason the VSC was introduced
Mohonky
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It probably would have lessened them to some extent; if the Halo held out and caused the tractor to lift and slide over the driver that right there is a big difference.
Regardless, the VSC that came from that incident was such a good idea its a wonder no one thought about or implemented it earlier. Drivers are always going to drive as hard as they can get away with so they dont lose time, making it so all drivers must slow down while not gaining or losing time is exactly the procedure the sport needed.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Seems Hammy will be rapping Gangsta's Paradise on the Johnathan Ross show tomorrow night 🔥🔥🔥
Red Bull adds 4 karters to its young driver programme - including Jack Doohan, son of Mick Doohan.
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/autosport-news/358721/red-bull-adds-four-karters-to-junior-team/
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/autosport-news/358721/red-bull-adds-four-karters-to-junior-team/
JadedWriter
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Everything that I've read about the incident said that his brain being smashed against his skull during the crash was unavoidable and what killed him. If the halo would've avoided that then fine.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...microphone-to-pump-up-tv-volume-idUSKCN1BX1NX
Liberty putting in work.
Psychotext
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Might as well just fake it.
MEEEEEEEOOOOOWWWWWNNNNNNN
NEEEEEOWWWWWNNNNNNN
MEEEEEEEOOOOOWWWWWNNNNNNN
NEEEEEOWWWWWNNNNNNN
Mohonky
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Eugh. Just crank the trackside audio level compared to the poxy commentary if thats what you want to do.
It won;t sound like people want until the new regs arrive in 20/21.
Psychotext
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Nooooope.
They sound OK, but they're a long way from incredible. But lets not do this again.
FrankCanada97
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The Italian edition of motorsport.com is reporting that Stroll Sr. is pushing for either Massa or Di Resta to partner with Stroll over Kubica.
Business
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No wonder.
Liberty is going to upload a full race to YouTube, vote for the 2001 race here: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/features/2017/9/f1-malaysia-full-race-watch-vote.html
Brilliant wet race, great drives esp. by Verstappen and Schumacher.
Brilliant wet race, great drives esp. by Verstappen and Schumacher.
Wonder what form the microphone would take once it reaches the audience's ears.
I would presume they'd only use that mic for onboard shots, or would they consider blending it in with the trackside audio? Anyway, the sound of the cars isn't a major problem for the appeal of F1 and they have other shit they need to sort out, like having graphics during sessions that are actually accurate and not just FUBAR.
I would presume they'd only use that mic for onboard shots, or would they consider blending it in with the trackside audio? Anyway, the sound of the cars isn't a major problem for the appeal of F1 and they have other shit they need to sort out, like having graphics during sessions that are actually accurate and not just FUBAR.
FrankCanada97
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The Singapore start made me review some other incidents with teammates straight off the starting grid. I present to you the fuckery that was the start of the GP2 feature race at Magny Cours in 2007.
Starring Andreas Zuber and... IS THAT GLOCK!? IT IS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwR_HbiHYys
Also note Zuber's right rear tire landing square on Glock's head.
Starring Andreas Zuber and... IS THAT GLOCK!? IT IS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwR_HbiHYys
Also note Zuber's right rear tire landing square on Glock's head.
I remember this crazy race. Viso lucky not to have hit his head or kill a marshal like in Jeff Krosnoff's fatal crash. And that mechanic getting hit in the pits adds to the chaos.
Norwegian Rudo
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Mortara is apparently the favourite for the Venturi Formula E seat, with James Rossiter also in the frame:
http://e-racing365.com/formula-e/334/
http://e-racing365.com/formula-e/334/
DHC-Shannow
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https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2017...f1-engines-a-fans-view-and-an-engineers-view/
Good article on the advantage gained by oil burning and the different engine modes. Also links to an earlier article about how Mercedes allowed Force India to run higher engine modes than normal at Monza to make things tougher for Ferrari.
Good article on the advantage gained by oil burning and the different engine modes. Also links to an earlier article about how Mercedes allowed Force India to run higher engine modes than normal at Monza to make things tougher for Ferrari.
Fox Mulder
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Of course. He puts more money into the team than Martini apparently, while their age clause only helps Stroll by blocking younger talent like Wehrlein.
Williams is falling down a hole, but they're making money. They could finish 7th this year if TR and Renault pass them as the points gap is close.
DHC-Shannow
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But why block Kubica? Just scared he'll outshine his son in a way that Massa or Di Resta won't?
endlessflood
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Kubica can even outperform Massa and DiResta.
scorcher59
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Can't outshine the Team owner's son!
FrankCanada97
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Don't worry, Viso the Venezuelan went on to have a 4-year IndyCar career while being financially backed by PDVSA and notably being regarded as somewhat quick, yet crashing a lot.
Sounds familiar doesn't it.
Psychotext
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Trying to decide between Hungary and France for my GP next year.
I'm thinking Hungary because I really liked it last time I was there (and because there's every chance Paul Ricard's first race doesn't go smoothly)... but I just don't know. How do people think the racing will be at Paul Ricard?
I'm thinking Hungary because I really liked it last time I was there (and because there's every chance Paul Ricard's first race doesn't go smoothly)... but I just don't know. How do people think the racing will be at Paul Ricard?