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Bungie explains why Destiny 2 is 30 FPS on consoles, even the PS4 Pro (CPU limits)
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Ploid 3.0
Member
Maybe it's the fact they are using checkerboard instead of native like scorpio would (I don't know what they are using I'm just assuming). So the fact he say it has power could be thought of as a joke since it's not native or as powerful as scorpio?
I would checkerboard everything on PC if I could and had a 4k monitor with a 1070 or something. I could use more power for something else, more effects, better framerate, etc. You darn lucky console players, checkerboard looks nice from what I see (Horizon).
RichiRamjag
Member
To be obnoxious.
blankempathy
Member
higher frame rate > resolution when it comes to competitive gaming in my opinion. Can't beat that feeling of higher response rates.
It sure fucking would if I put rocket boosters on it!
You are reading facts which you can confirm yourself.
Go load up a warzone match and count how many enemies you see at once in one group (not the entire map). I can guarantee you it is not even 20+ which you can have in Destiny.
And you say "huge downgrade" what's this based on? More tales from ass? Care to elucidate on this huge downgrade ?
LmaoYou feeling OK, JareBear? My first cease and desist PM! Haha
Ease up homies, I'm just pulling your legs. But them handcrafted cores though, you just don't know!
Stormhammer
Member
battlefield 4, battlefield one and battlefront all have pretty unstable framerates in multiplayer though. battlefield 4 and one felt pretty jittery to me when i play online on my one s. while they may hit 60, they'll never actually stay there for any meaningful amount of time so why does that even matter.
i thoroughly enjoyed halo 5's multiplayer. thanks to that digital foundry video on you really get to see that halo 5 does a lot of things to make sure that 60fps remains. perhaps destiny 1s pvp being perfectly playable at 30fps (to me) leaves bungie to feel as though 30fps is still completely viable for their second game, and they don't need to make those adjustments (imo)
but yes, lazy devs no excuses just make it uglier its ez pz
Dinky Dino
Member
You feeling OK, JareBear? My first cease and desist PM! Haha
Ease up homies, I'm just pulling your legs. But them handcrafted cores though, you just don't know!
Not very honorable. He pm'd you for a reason. At least have the decency to keep it private.
You feeling OK, JareBear? My first cease and desist PM! Haha
Ease up homies, I'm just pulling your legs. But them handcrafted cores though, you just don't know!
haha nice XD
C.Olimar788
Member
Pretty standard "we'd rather make our game look prettier in screenshots than make it run better".
Ploid 3.0
Member
Bring on the Zen equipped consoles.
Next gen is going to be something else man. Back to the octo cores (used octo instead of many because I'm remembering the PS3 commercial with the black octopus) of PS3 Cell. Ahead of it's time?
I really wish I waited a few months to build my new pc. Went i5 Kaby and missed out on Ryzen. I screwed up.
Ryzen + vega apu for next gen? Oh baby!
I honestly don't know why anyone ever expected 60. D1 played amazingly well at 30 and Destiny is hardly the most competitive game on earth. I have absolutely no idea how their engine works so I wouldn't like to assume that they "easily could've gotten it to 60fps with those visuals".
BleedOrange
Banned
Why do people think this?
Yeah I mean I agree, for sure. But when people talk about these things they usually say stuff like "Uhh they don't want one playerbase having an advantage" as if they completely forgot that one playerbase ALREADY has a visual acuity advantage based on resolution differences. Thats the ENTIRE POINT of these mid-gen refresh consoles, is that they give advantages over the OG consoles.
Take, for example, a game like PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS. Its somewhere in between a MilSim and Arcade style shooter, leaning more towards the MilSim side of the spectrum. As such, higher draw distances and resolutions are much more likely to provide meaningful advantages than FPS differences. Being able to visually resolve that guy proning in the tall grass 15m away is literally the difference between winning and losing in that game.
If Sony's argument is that they don't want to provide one playerbase with an advantage then when PUBG comes to consoles they should either force the PS4 Pro to render at 1080p or seperate the playerbases.
Or they could just do the sane thing and stop mandating anything, & leave it up to the developer.
I'm going to be extremely, extremely sad if this perpetual generation we find ourselves in now is held back forever because of the crummy CPUs in the XB1/Scorpio and PS4/Pro
You feeling OK, JareBear? My first cease and desist PM! Haha
Ease up homies, I'm just pulling your legs. But them handcrafted cores though, you just don't know!
Bragging about how you shitposted is a good look
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I don't know why anyone expected 60 to begin with.
Agreed. And I mean, I know that even without those elements in the PvP it's not a straight shot to 60 fps; more work and testing is required to ensure those things work properly (look at the amount of trouble the DS devs dealt with when tying their animation to framerate, for example!), but I'd still much rather hear from the devs on why 60 fps wasn't a target for PvP than PvE which I think they made a fine case for.
That said, I realize the question wasn't posed as "Why is the PvP not 60", which would explain why the one-size-fits-all answer is not appropriate.
I mean, we both clearly love Destiny and want it to be the best game possible, so in no way am I launching in to a critique of it with regards to this because I'm a D2-is-D1.5 troll or whatever.
IMO It will be the same beacuse of original Xbone. Also Scorpios CPU isn't that much better than PS4 Pro.
Reckless Onion
Member
I wonder how bf1 does it with those graphics.
Same for Scorpio, i guess
I find this weird, considering Dark Souls 3 runs at 30 fps (with drops) on PS4 and around 50 fps on Pro, and that gave has a heavy PvP community.
KiefbladeMaster
Member
Hoping there's downsampling for 1080 users, don't mind 30 FPS as that's what the first played at. At least they get it locked.
Jaguar Victory
Member
I haven't ran across anything yet
There's no honor among Gaffers.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Warframe beats Destiny again! When is Warframe 2, or did they update it enough for it to be considered 2 or 3 by now?
I was going to mention a post made by the PM bandit but he's already being mistreated. He had the decency to take it to PM and this is how he's done? I recognized the avatar, the post I'm thinking about isn't bad or anything, it just rubbed me the wrong way a bit in a particular thread. I'm sure he meant well.
While I agree with this in general, his PM was trash and he deserves some stick for it.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
That game engine is designed to run at 60fps. It was a design choice by Bungie to run at 30fps on console with their game engine, if they toned down all the effects / resolution it would probably run at 60fps too.
anothertech
Member
Completely different engines. Frostbite is a beast.
LukasTaves
Member
But shadows being scaled down have no impact on the cpu.
Mass Effect FTW
Pretty much on Warframe 3 at this point. Also plenty of graphics improvements and new levels.
veloxStrix
Banned
Weird how Sony would care more about what games that makes massive amounts of money do than what others do.
Yeah, but it has to be add the "enjoyable to play" feature before I consider coming back to it.
If it's heavily CPU dependent, the resolution doesn't matter.
Complicated
Banned
Static bullet-sponge enemies that wander toward you is good AI? Not sure why you're only counting one group of enemies in warzone. One group in Destiny is like 5. That doesn't make much sense. Halo 5 regularly has a dozen friendly Spartans, a dozen enemy Spartans, and a dozen AI in the same location with other AI scattered about. All in a multiplayer match running on a dedicated server.
Honestly, why even post this?
Anyway, as much as I want to complain about 30FPS on console, I braced myself early on. Cant cry over spilled milk.
It'll still get bought on day 0.
Fingers crossed they tweaked the tick rate, though.
OnionPowder
Member
Honestly, Destiny 1 on XB1 and PS4 had incredible input latency for being 30FPS. Destiny 2 should be similar.
If you want 60FPS then buy the game on PC. On a console it's a design choice, and Bungie has always or almost always designed to strictly 30FPS. IIRC even Halo 1 on PC has 30FPS animations.
If you want 60FPS then buy the game on PC. On a console it's a design choice, and Bungie has always or almost always designed to strictly 30FPS. IIRC even Halo 1 on PC has 30FPS animations.
Because it is easier than engaging in the details. I mean, I have strong opinions, but you know, I just found common ground with nooblet discussing these things, and now we're actually on the same page and it's great.
Or I could have just written a shit post, I guess.
As player of both games i dont think that destiny 1 looks better overall but i think it looks sharper and cleaner.
Unknown?
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Keep fighting the good fight.