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Sopranos ending.
- Thread starter TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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A hack would do that, yeah.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think he got shot.
I think it doesn't really matter if I'm right or not, as the ending not having a definitive answer for you one way or the other is kind of the point. My interpretation is that was lights out for Tony. But even if it wasn't - the ending still works.
The real question that haunts me, however, is how Short Groceries finished out the rest of his day after witnessing Phil Leotardo's unfortunate passing.
I think it doesn't really matter if I'm right or not, as the ending not having a definitive answer for you one way or the other is kind of the point. My interpretation is that was lights out for Tony. But even if it wasn't - the ending still works.
The real question that haunts me, however, is how Short Groceries finished out the rest of his day after witnessing Phil Leotardo's unfortunate passing.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
Member
Assuming this isn't humorous, how you do figure that?
Not in the text he didn't
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
The point of ambiguity--it's ambiguousness--doesn't seem that difficult to understand and yet people have such a hard time with it.
The writing's on the wall.
Whompa02
Member
Makes me laugh every time.
This explains it quite well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjviymV08c8
Long story short, when the bell on the door rings, you see Tony look up, then Tony's POV for around 10 seconds.
So when Meadow walks in, he looks up, then it switches to his POV, which is 10 seconds of darkness cause his brains are all over the table.
Long story short, when the bell on the door rings, you see Tony look up, then Tony's POV for around 10 seconds.
So when Meadow walks in, he looks up, then it switches to his POV, which is 10 seconds of darkness cause his brains are all over the table.
Robot Pants
Member
"Huh...his apartment looked like shit"
I H8 Memes
Member
Maybe directors feel like they dont have any choice. Maybe they feel like the audience wont get it unless they smear it all over the screen.
Aquavelvaman
Banned
Imagine how much better it would have been if they had shown Tony get shot in the head and then had another scene where Paulie Walnuts says "Can you believe they wacked Tony? Mama Mia!" That way everyone would know what happened and there would be no ambiguity
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
Member
I didn't say I didn't like the ending, but it was an unusual ending.
Heckler456
Banned
There is no reason any of those hints couldn't be a red herring when Chase went to the trouble to cut to black.
If the cutting to black thing doesn't dissuade you from going "What, are you crazy? He's definitely dead.", then I don't know what to tell you guys. It's the equivalent of Chase screaming at the screen "Make up your own minds!".
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
All I know is that I'm still heartbroken that we no longer have James Gandolfini.
Nobody has come close to matching his presence on the small screen.
Nobody has come close to matching his presence on the small screen.
Because it was explained several times during the final season (and shown!) that "you don't even hear it (a bullet shot into your head) when it happens". The last scene is Tony's POV. He is shot in the head, which is why everything turns black and the sound stops.
Still terrible but wouldn't be as shitty, you're correct about that. Nothing could be worse than people just thinking their cable broke.
blame space
Banned
people are idiots
Aquavelvaman
Banned
Also the last episode should have been filmed in front of a live studio audience so the whole cast could walk on stage and give a bow to thunderous applause. "Thanks for 6 and a half great seasons!"
Yeah I know. Like how could they think this ending was acceptable? What were they thinking?
Silvio even tells Tony that he was on the floor and had no idea what happened in the moment and he wasn't even the person who gets whacked in that scene.
Plus what happens to Phil Leotardo.
Yep. Of course the ending took a moment to understand, but it was as clear as the final moment was black.
Heckler456
Banned
It could have as easily been to contrast the way Bobby actually died in that train-shop. Or maybe it's in reference to him actually committing his first murder, in the very same episode, in which case it would have been meant to showcase his ignorance of the whole thing. It could also have been in reference to the ending, but the point is: ambiguity.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
And maybe they shoot an unconventional final scene with no textual resolution and then bang their head on the desk when people fanwank their way to a Big Ending.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Summer Haze
Banned
Tony gets his brain blown out all over his family. I wonder if the conspirator honored the 'don't harm families' rule...
Exactly. It was pretty on the nose. Like I said, no ambiguity at all.
CountAntonius
Member
I loved it.
I think he was referring to the writers of that episode.
| Praxis |
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True, but I think Ian McShane is right up there with him for Deadwood.
Aquavelvaman
Banned
Man, I just realized Twitter was 1 year old when this aired. I would love to see the tweets of people flipping their shit from that moment. Probably not that many people on the service at that time, though.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
Member
Maybe he sent the guy in the cap!
blame space
Banned
uh, sure dude. good own.
you're seriously going to try and argue that the final scene is poorly written?
chicko1983
Member
Best ending to a show ever.
The end is actually built up over the last season: the poem at the start of the season describing everyone, the brother in law bringing up how 'you probably wouldn't even hear it coming', the bell ringing when Tony is on the jetty is the same as the bell ringing as the door opening up.
I was shocked when I first saw it, then about ten seconds after the blackness, I laughed and almost cried at the same time.
The end is actually built up over the last season: the poem at the start of the season describing everyone, the brother in law bringing up how 'you probably wouldn't even hear it coming', the bell ringing when Tony is on the jetty is the same as the bell ringing as the door opening up.
I was shocked when I first saw it, then about ten seconds after the blackness, I laughed and almost cried at the same time.
I think it is a masterful and truly amazing ending. It sticks with you, and the way Tony's paranoia is transferred to the viewer is really out of this world. In a lesser director we would've seen Tony's head explode over his family, but Chase knew that it wasn't necessary. And would we still be talking about it? Probably not.
Personally, I think he died there and then. It makes sense for me. And I can understand that people want him to be alive. But if it wasn't then, it would be another day. Maybe the very next day. It doesn't matter. It wouldn't ever stop.
Personally, I think he died there and then. It makes sense for me. And I can understand that people want him to be alive. But if it wasn't then, it would be another day. Maybe the very next day. It doesn't matter. It wouldn't ever stop.
Yeah, I was shocked, too. The ending was great.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
One of many examples of the series' deliberate pushing back against story and plot expectations.
King Tubby
Member
It's one of the best death scenes ever filmed.
Phil Leotardo's head was crushed in front of his family.
Phil Leotardo's head was crushed in front of his family.
OG Shaka Zulu
Member
This is the most ridiculous debate since 1493s "Are these Native Indians even people?".
1 + 1 = Tony dead.
1 + 1 = Tony dead.
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
The hitman sitting at the bar let the Soprano family finish their fries.