To add a personal note to the above quote - Even if I feel uncomfortable or 'disgusted' by someone's sexuality, I keep it to myself. It's good to be happy.
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To add a personal note to the above quote - Even if I feel uncomfortable or 'disgusted' by someone's sexuality, I keep it to myself. It's good to be happy.
Schwowsers
Member
Cheezmo, you're a haematophile, you have a foot fetish (I think?), and now you're a furry, too? Quite the collection.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
CHEEZMO;33284220 said:
It's pretty much the same as people who make the gay = pedophile conenction.
First Name
Member
Definitely. When I come across something that gives me a visceral reaction but really isn't any of my business I just turn and walk away or click the back button or whatever. Life's too short to start looking for non-issues to be offended by.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Schediaphilia too, which I guess ties into this. It would be difficult to list everything.
Edit: Very little is taboo to me.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
What the the average "furry" fan, whether they're a member of the furry subculture or not, finds interesting, cool, appealing, is an exotic humanoid. It's the Aliens Are Not Furries So I'm Safe thing - it's cool to like "aliens" but if the alien head starts to look too much like a regular wolf, watch out!
It's the human part that furries find fun, when combined with another element. There are a lot of furries who are animal lovers - why wouldn't there be, among people who like animals a lot? - but on average, their natural inclinations towards regular, non-sentient animals are about as boring and "normal" as you can get.
People adore pitching the anthropomorphics = beastiality angle because it's a great hack to try and incite condemnation on an entire demographic. But, most furry fans relate to anthro characters that are people, not animals. They relate to normal animals much as anyone else would, with perhaps a slightly higher than average level of empathy and concern for animal welfare due to thinking about animals more often. Even there, you will find - surprise! - a normal range of personalities. I've met random furry people who don't even like (real life) animals.
Never Forget
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366312&page=4
Post 359 and onwards. Read Guybrush Threepwood' posts...
sogood.gf
scar tissue
Banned
You know, I was wrong to come in here and speak out. It's your OT and none of my business.
But let me say that much: hate and being creeped out are not the same. Being creeped out is a gut reaction. Hating is a conscious decision.
So furries lay around in bunches and scratch their backs. And in the end, some of them have jizzed themselves.
Yeah, I can't see why anyone would be creeped out by that.
By the way: I never called myself adult, mature or even normal. I'm pretty fucked up too.
Have yourself a nice OT.
Recently saw some schmaltzy thing Masterpiece Theatre called the lunch, where a two ex-lovers meet after not seeing each other for years. Woman says to the man after she notices him staring at her wrist - "You have an everything fetish, this is the wrist of a married woman!".
got a chuckle out of me, perhaps CHEEZMO has an everything fetish.
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Deleted member 81567
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Is CHEEZMO the GAF MASCOT?!
scar tissue
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CHEEZMO™;33284516 said:
That's what I thought at first, but apparently dissenting opinions are not wanted.
So it's an OT.
For as liberal as the internet truly believes they are, they are guilty of the same sins as religious fundamentalists and general prejudiced people offline. They can't accept what other people enjoy in their private lives and thus must ridicule them as a form of self-acceptance.
I never said " Hey dont come in this topic". What I mean is, dont spread hate. It doesnt matter to someone if you hate them or they creep you out. Say your friend comes up to you one day. A good friend by the way, whom you have a lot of respet for; he goes:
"Hey, about your lifestyle and chices..I dont hate them, but they creep me the fuck out, and I think they are disgusting. We cool?"
That is what you have been posting so far. I understand that you might not mean it that way but again,you either respect someones beliefs or you dont.
@Kaijima
I hope you never stop posting on GAF. Always enjoy your quality posts.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
CHEEZMO™;33284458 said:
LOL - didn't you hear? I come in six packs.
"That guy" essentially had a dinosaur persona for his magazine character (remember Gamefan? Gamepro? etc) and drew a hobby web comic over ten years ago for friends, and represented some of them as anthro characters because a few were sort-of furries. Trolls from his own magazine's website actually posted in the GAF thread to help fan the fire and spun up his "furry reputation". The blow up on GAF was powered, in part, because of a few particular obsessed and crazy people who were here then, and because at that point the western Internet was still treating furries as a hot topic.
But at some point, everything gets old. At this stage in the game, mindless furry hate is a huge cliche, brought somewhat back into the limelight by dem bronyez. Even the official, card carrying American furry fandom has become boring, for all it has legitimate issues and weird epicenters of culture. You have chic stores in LA selling animal hats and fuzzy mittens for people to go "fur up" freakin' clubs.
Fun fact: I probably personally know, oh, 40 or so people who would be considered furries, or anthro fans to the point they have personal characters or personas. I think like 5 of them actually go to a furry convention... sometimes. Most of them avoid what Internet Dudes would consider furry fandom. I'm the first to say - I have standards and don't want to deal with stupid people. So I avoid the dumb kids with issues who your average troll will cite as a ZOMG FURRI. The official furry subculture's got problems due to a certain phenomenon where, when you are on the fringe already, you tend to meet two kinds of people: really, really interesting ones who are "out there" because mainstream society is behind their curve. And people who are on the fringe because they have legitimate issues.
It's still easy for people to construct a straw man to bitch about furries 'cause there's a lot of kids with issues in the furry fanclub, being the fringe of the fringe. Some of them deserve sympathy (and shocker: get better if you show some), others, are indeed people you want to walk away quickly from. I've found the furry subculture is a huge mixed bag. And by the same token, you will find some very unique people floating around it, who are there because there's not really much else like it.
And the quote upthread about the liberal internet is on the money. People who think they are "progressive" or even "intellectual" are often still the same timid suburban personalities who freak out if something rolls up and demonstrates that the world is not flat. It is LOL.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
No this started out as a bullshit disingenuous troll thread. Just so happened that most of the chaff got sifted out.
I'd actually like to make a Furry community thread, but I don't see that happening for a number of reasons.
Intelligent life is fascinating
but when you give a character an animal head they just look like a creature of lesser intelligence
Maybe if Sega/Sonic never existed we would have something like this in MassEffect rather than just more blue people
(the cat people in oblivion/skyrim look stupid as hell)
I regret my role in that. Although his comic was still pretty bad for other reasons.
scar tissue
Banned
Actually, I've been told some of my hobbies are weird too (even by friends and family), and I'm okay with that. Because I am not my hobbies.
Being a furry is more than a hobby, it's a lifestyle and an obsession (which is a large part of why I don't like it), so I can see that insulting that would be more than just calling a hobby weird.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Am I going to have to, not only repeat a point for a third time ITT, but correct you yet again for basing your opinions on ignorance?
scar tissue
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CHEEZMO;33284759 said:
Well, if it's just a hobby where's the problem with me calling it weird and disgusting?
So does the fact I have Mr. Bear from Battle K-Road as my avatar make me look like a furry?
I have to admit though, my experiences with meeting furries have been less than exemplary. I had no idea such a subculture even existed until I was watching BBC one night and this segment came on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8x6SE6BJL0
I didn't think too much of it other than the fact that I found it strange to sexualize other people with animal features and characteristics, having been a pet owner my whole life. But I also recognized that it was a news segment and so I only saw one group of people of what is mostly a very varied culture, and it's not for me to judge anyway.
My real life encounter with furries came in 2010 when I was sent to AnimeExpo in Los Angeles to write about fandoms and subcultures in the US and walked around the floor, scribbling down notes and interviewing people left and right. It was generally very fun, people in costumes or just passionate fans who were loyal to the shows and the production staffs.
It wasn't until I ventured into a corner with largely furry specific booths and groups that things got a little weird. First thing I saw was similar to what someone else posted earlier, some middle aged balding dude with some sort of animal themed slippers and gloves holding over some young girls' shoulders and talking about how young and lucky they are, and just people in elaborate costumes with mechanical jaws, which is fine I suppose.
I eventually went to grab myself lunch in the food court when I saw a kid in a tiger styled costume with his mask taken off and reading some magazine while eating, and he looked normal and calm enough that I went over and introduced myself and asked him if it was OK if I asked him a few questions for my report on American subcultures, to which he eagerly said yes. I thought the kid seemed alright for a minute, but oh boy it didn't take long before he went virtually loco on me. He hurried the food into his mouth, put his mask on and tied the strings around his neck to make it sit tight, and introduced himself as Raztafar The Tiger (I never got the correct spelling on his name) and proceeded to dance, sing and make a scene which made every table around us leave in constrained laughter. He never let me get a word in and frankly, I was on the verge of crying out of fear of this person in a tiger suit in front of me speaking in tongues. So I pretended to write things down, said thanks and he ventured over to a group of other likeminded people who proceeded to dance and tickle him as he came over. The only way I can visualize my reaction to all this would be this picture:
So while the kids in cosplay and such were definitely flamboyant and sometimes a tad overbearing, they would at least tone down when I introduced myself as press and asked them questions. They would be intelligent and self aware, just feeling free to turn the dial up for the convention.
The furries I spoke to however, I never even got a real name out of them. It seemed to me like whoever was underneath that costume was unconscious and their personality with the costume had taken completely over, so at least in that space and time, they had lost the balance between their real personality and character to their animal one. This wasn't at a furry specific convention though, so I can't say if this is how it normally is there, but at least for my own experiences dealing directly with some of them, they are of the stranger kind. Whatever makes you happy though, by all means.
I have to admit though, my experiences with meeting furries have been less than exemplary. I had no idea such a subculture even existed until I was watching BBC one night and this segment came on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8x6SE6BJL0
I didn't think too much of it other than the fact that I found it strange to sexualize other people with animal features and characteristics, having been a pet owner my whole life. But I also recognized that it was a news segment and so I only saw one group of people of what is mostly a very varied culture, and it's not for me to judge anyway.
My real life encounter with furries came in 2010 when I was sent to AnimeExpo in Los Angeles to write about fandoms and subcultures in the US and walked around the floor, scribbling down notes and interviewing people left and right. It was generally very fun, people in costumes or just passionate fans who were loyal to the shows and the production staffs.
It wasn't until I ventured into a corner with largely furry specific booths and groups that things got a little weird. First thing I saw was similar to what someone else posted earlier, some middle aged balding dude with some sort of animal themed slippers and gloves holding over some young girls' shoulders and talking about how young and lucky they are, and just people in elaborate costumes with mechanical jaws, which is fine I suppose.
I eventually went to grab myself lunch in the food court when I saw a kid in a tiger styled costume with his mask taken off and reading some magazine while eating, and he looked normal and calm enough that I went over and introduced myself and asked him if it was OK if I asked him a few questions for my report on American subcultures, to which he eagerly said yes. I thought the kid seemed alright for a minute, but oh boy it didn't take long before he went virtually loco on me. He hurried the food into his mouth, put his mask on and tied the strings around his neck to make it sit tight, and introduced himself as Raztafar The Tiger (I never got the correct spelling on his name) and proceeded to dance, sing and make a scene which made every table around us leave in constrained laughter. He never let me get a word in and frankly, I was on the verge of crying out of fear of this person in a tiger suit in front of me speaking in tongues. So I pretended to write things down, said thanks and he ventured over to a group of other likeminded people who proceeded to dance and tickle him as he came over. The only way I can visualize my reaction to all this would be this picture:
So while the kids in cosplay and such were definitely flamboyant and sometimes a tad overbearing, they would at least tone down when I introduced myself as press and asked them questions. They would be intelligent and self aware, just feeling free to turn the dial up for the convention.
The furries I spoke to however, I never even got a real name out of them. It seemed to me like whoever was underneath that costume was unconscious and their personality with the costume had taken completely over, so at least in that space and time, they had lost the balance between their real personality and character to their animal one. This wasn't at a furry specific convention though, so I can't say if this is how it normally is there, but at least for my own experiences dealing directly with some of them, they are of the stranger kind. Whatever makes you happy though, by all means.
Weird =/= Creepy and Disgusting ( Which are the words you used in your posts )
Any ways,
Turn around CHEEZMO, time to brush your belly.
Prax
Member
I like DRAWING anthro animals... does that count? >___>
I also really like anthro art in general.. just not the erotica-level stuff.
EXAMPLE:
Obviously inspired by Star Fox! This picture is 3 years old though.. and I actually really miss drawing furries.
I just think animals are cool. Plus easier to make differentiated characters based on different animal species than it is with just humans.
The whole sexual gratification with animal-based things though.. not my cup of tea. Though I can obviously tell what is supposed to be a sexy/attractive/cute anthro character just through relating it with human body language and aesthetic preferences.
Hey, furry lovers, commission me to draw you stuff! LOL
(no porn though. That would require too much "research", and that is a sink hole I would rather not venture into)
I also really like anthro art in general.. just not the erotica-level stuff.
EXAMPLE:
Obviously inspired by Star Fox! This picture is 3 years old though.. and I actually really miss drawing furries.
I just think animals are cool. Plus easier to make differentiated characters based on different animal species than it is with just humans.
The whole sexual gratification with animal-based things though.. not my cup of tea. Though I can obviously tell what is supposed to be a sexy/attractive/cute anthro character just through relating it with human body language and aesthetic preferences.
Hey, furry lovers, commission me to draw you stuff! LOL
(no porn though. That would require too much "research", and that is a sink hole I would rather not venture into)
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
OMG KRAFT YOU MADE ME CROSS THE STREAMS LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE!!
Edit: ^ you should draw more of those 2 lovelies on the bottom right :9
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creepy and weird are more or less the same to me.
seeing as english isn't my primary language (and thus my hobbies weren't called creepy/weird in english), semantics matter little in this case.
but yeah, disgusting is a stronger word and I wouldn't be okay with a friend using that one.
Understandable, I too, have had encounters where I made people angry, but I had no such intention. All cased because of language. Any way, I didn't want to sound like I am cornering you for stating your opinions on this topic. My only issue was the tone that you were using.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
It's OK to make fun of a man who identifies as an animal and dresses as an animal.
It's not OK to make fun of a man who identifies as a woman and dresses as a woman.
Do I have it right?
It's not OK to make fun of a man who identifies as a woman and dresses as a woman.
Do I have it right?
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Welcome to a Furry discussion on the internet.
Asbestos cloaks are in the second closet on the left. Enjoy your stay.
scar tissue
Banned
Don't open that can of worms.
A woman can have the brain structure of a man (I just learned this in the trans changing room thread), but never of a skunk.
Trans and furry are not even remotely comparable. One is genetic, the other is not.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
CHEEZMO;33284587 said:
And those reasons are?
And serious, I am genuinely curious as to how furries self-identify and why. What the politics of the community are, etc.
How about an imaginary anthro skunk with a brain very close to that of a human?
Not that I see how it matters.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
People who believe they're animals are defined as "Otherkin"
Otherkin are Furries but very few Furries are Otherkin.
Whether GAF would accept it.
Whether it would be free from straight-up trolling.
Possible lack of topics to discuss.
And most importantly, lack of numbers. I'm sure there's enough people on GAF, but whether it's something they want to reveal about themselves and be open with it is a different matter. I doubt they would.
SpartanForce
Member
This thread it's just plain sick. That's all I can say
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Seriously?
One is a choice, the other is genetic. So it should be legal to discriminate against furries, but not against trans people. Comparing the two is kinda insulting to transsexuals, I'd imagine.
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When I read scar tissue's posts I think of "Snow (Hey Oh)" playing in the background.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Got a link to the rigorous scientific study that showed this?
I think things aren't so black and white. I don't think humanity understands a lot of things and sexuality is one of those things. I just try and keep an open mind.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
CHEEZMO;33285197 said:
People troll all the time.
I tried to have an Asian-American thread, and it was quickly derailed by people either talking about Asians in Asia, or their waifus. So keeping it on topic would be hard.
I wish you luck.
Oh, so you only deal with those pesky Trans because they have no choice? You're saying all transsexual are incapable of making any decision that is not some promitive genetic programming?
But that doesn't even matter, so what if being a furry is a choice? What make it a bad choice? Did we stop respecting people for their life choices?
How About No
Member
I like DRAWING anthro animals... does that count? >___>
I also really like anthro art in general.. just not the erotica-level stuff.
EXAMPLE:
I think that looks pretty good!
No furmo
scar tissue
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So you think people are born as furries?CHEEZMO;33285305 said:
Well, I haven't got any evidence to dispute that one but I find it highly unlikely.
Might as well say that fetishes, hobbies and religion could be genetic too.
WHAT DOES IT MATTER.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I like DRAWING anthro animals... does that count? >___>
I also really like anthro art in general.. just not the erotica-level stuff.
EXAMPLE:
Obviously inspired by Star Fox! This picture if 3 years old though.. and I actually really miss drawing furries.
I just think animals are cool. Plus easier to make differentiated characters based on different animal species than it is with just humans.
The whole sexual gratification with animal-based things though.. not my cup of tea. Though I can obviously tell what is supposed to be a sexy/attractive/cute anthro character just through relating it with human body language and aesthetic preferences.
Hey, furry lovers, commission me to draw you stuff! LOL
(no porn though. That would require too much "research", and that is a sink hole I would rather not venture into)
The illustration quality is very high; you can feel proud as an illustrator, let me tell you.
It just reminds me of something: when dumb people say "OMG why would anyone draw something like that?", there's another good answer: BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD is drawing still life and the same ten mainstream comic book characters over, and over, and over again.
A reason why I am always amused by subculture hate, especially the hatred of subculture art. Example: I'm not a fan of MLP (and I mean that in the harmless sense, not "I'm not a fan" as codeword for "I hate it"), and I don't seek out pony fan art. But it's unique, colorful, and is actually something different, so I'm glad it's out there.
Anything that creates new meme and new content is a good thing in the end, no matter how much nerds on the Internet will go out of their way to bitch and whine.