so the XB1 updscaler is better than the PS4 one in your opinion.? (this might be a trick question)
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DF/JF: Battlefield 4 PS4 vs XB1 videos/screens (900p PS4, 720p XB1)
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so the XB1 updscaler is better than the PS4 one in your opinion.? (this might be a trick question)
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The point is to showcase what sharpening can do, and why DF's comparison should be taken lightly. They have gone out and admitted their mistake.
JackFrags videos are your best bet to really see all 3 versions at their peak
Magic ?
iceatcs
Junior Member
Also, some more other things, like AO vs No AO, FPS seem different on both, Gamma level, etc..
SenjutsuSage
Banned
See, people can tell me all about the pixels as many times as they feel it helps, and believe me I'm not ignorant of this, but besides a much cleaner looking game due to the lack of aliasing on the PS4, the Xbox One version based on the comparisons I've seen looks better. It just does. I'm not exactly going to ignore what I'm seeing entirely, or launch an investigation or something because it doesn't fall in line with expectations.
There are comparison pictures made, there are comparison gifs made, I've watched videos on DF, jackfrags, and even on IGN. I'm not discrediting where I think the PS4 version, because it leads performance wise, even though it's obvious both versions perform fantastically, save for more serious dips in certain spots for the XBO version. But both versions dip every now and then in performance, but it isn't often enough and long enough to ruin the experience on either from what I've watched thus far. There was even one odd cutscene I saw where the XB0 version had a 12-14 fps edge on the PS4 version for maybe 5 or more seconds.
People judge games based on what they look at, and I'm not the only person in this thread that has said they think the XBO version looks better. The textures seem more crisp and clearly appear to have more pop. It makes an otherwise aliased game stand out even in comparison to the PS4 version in side by sides. It makes an otherwise amazing looking PS4 game by all accounts look at times a little overly soft or blurry, which isn't as attractive as the more detailed, in your face appearance on the Xbox One version.
They ultimately give the edge to the PS4, and that's probably fair given the virtual lack of aliasing compared to the much jaggier XB0 version, and being a higher resolution, but barring some funny business going on, which I don't see any signs of, the Xbox One version looks nicer.
It even shows up in IGN's comparison video, so it isn't just a DF thing.
http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/10/28/battlefield-4-xbox-oneps4-graphics-comparison
When they're switching between the two, you see the greater pop to the stuff on the Xbox One version. I don't deny the aliasing on the Xbox One version, but what keeps me from giving it too much shit for that is the fact that I prefer the more vibrant look on the xbox one side to the softer look on the PS4 side. Now, maybe it's just me, but I'm one of those guys that always prefers my games, or even movies, to always "pop" more. I don't like the more TV 'movie' settings look that dials things down a bit. Even when they approach the top of that hill after going through the forest, I just see a bigger, more aggressive level of light streaming in from the other side of that location where the skyscrapers are located. There might be a subtle, but noticeable lighting difference between the two versions, and that may come down to a matter of preference, but I'm certain I'm not the only person who can see the brighter, more aggressive appearing lighting in the xbox one version. I'm honestly not even decided on whether I'm even getting this game for console or PC yet, but I prefer the Xbox One's look, I don't 'prefer' the aliasing. I prefer the overall presentation, particularly the lighting.
Beyond that, I honestly couldn't say if it's the kind of AA used on the PS4 version, or if it's just down to the way it's being upscaled on the ps4 compared to how it's handled on the Xbox One, but I'm left with an impression that the lighting may be a touch better on the Xbox One version. People are free to disagree, but, whatever the case, I can see the difference, and that IGN video shows it clearly (since DF are on people's shit list). It would seem things like no Ambient Occlusion, 720p resolution and the AA allowed them to make up for it a bit with the lighting on the Xbox One version, at least that's certainly how it appears to me.
edit: I guess scratch the part about no AO on the xbox one version. Apparently the Dice technical director confirmed AO will be in the Xbox One version.
https://twitter.com/repi/status/395138203075633152
Glorified G
Member
Yup, I'm definitely done with DF at this point on. I thought the bias stopped with Ledbetter but it obviously extends beyond that.
Ol No Bones
Banned
Lmao at the tv setting comments. Someone said it and everyone grasps at it.
something fishy
Member
it's a trap.
they really do both look good.
great stuff.
buying both confirmed for me.
they really do both look good.
great stuff.
buying both confirmed for me.
Sigh.
On just about every comparison you say?
http://abload.de/img/i3uk6taw6tdxd8fonn.gif
How about we stop talking about something that you can change on your TV and focus on the console differences, eh?
blurredvision
Member
Sorry, it's not a landslide. You can write down numbers and compare all you want, but the real-world difference of people sitting in front of their TVs and playing this will be minimal, if anything at all. I just don't think many at all will play this on their X1, then go over to a buddy's house and play his PS4 version and notice any more than a small difference, if anything.
It is obvious. 900p with with more stable frame rate.
Oh and that's without even taking into account the capture card errors that Digital Foundry admitted to.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Just look yourself, they are ever so slightly sharper on PS4.
SniperHunter
Banned
Wow
56% higher res and higher frame rates.
Ol No Bones
Banned
They both look very nice. Some people really wanted one to look like shit.
your username makes this kind of funny.
Bar a few posts, this thread is actually much better than I feared, certainly better than the Xbox one threads gabbing on about the OS and such like which are full of complete and utter nonsense.
Sieht super aus!
something fishy
Member
it really is like knocking up a setting level on pc.
nice but doesn't blow your socks off or do anything to improve the game experience.
will be awesome for thread wars throughout the gen though.
nice but doesn't blow your socks off or do anything to improve the game experience.
will be awesome for thread wars throughout the gen though.
Mr Moose
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Black Mantis
Member
Both look good to me. Not buying the game anyway, but if I was, the differences aren't big enough to make me switch to buying a PS4 over the X1.
ok thanks that explain the aliasing on the pc version when you compare it with the DF pc build
DF use a big amd cpu 8 gigs of ram and a crossfire of 7970
ChocolatePuddin
Member
This thread has been very amusing I will say that much, as for the next gen versions, I can live with the odd jaggy and missing clouds but mess with my frame rate and we have a deal breaker.
From Video Gamer:
In what universe does this:
look better than this:
Please enlighten me, because I'm not seeing it. Aliasing is very different in both versions.
Why is the image clipped?
something fishy
Member
Just woke up, wow, what a mess lol.
So i'm confused.
Is this a capture problem or is the AA solution used for the PS4 version ruining its look ?
Cause guys i'm sorry, and sad about that but you can noticed and detail every superiority you want with your specialist eyes. From what i'm seeing there, and if it's showing what you can actually see in stores, people WILL manage to find the XBO version more sharp and impact full.
If anything that shows different devs decisions are still more important than tech. It's sad that the technically superior version looks blurry as shit. At least it's really hard to see the resolution difference like that.. When it should be fcking obvious! I mean 900p to 720p is a pretty solid downgrade right..
Also did Sony manage to ruin its advantage by having a bad capture solution for the console ? That would be so ironic..
It's like the best runner didn't bring the good shoes and ended in second place. Every detail of a launch counts..
So i'm confused.
Is this a capture problem or is the AA solution used for the PS4 version ruining its look ?
Cause guys i'm sorry, and sad about that but you can noticed and detail every superiority you want with your specialist eyes. From what i'm seeing there, and if it's showing what you can actually see in stores, people WILL manage to find the XBO version more sharp and impact full.
If anything that shows different devs decisions are still more important than tech. It's sad that the technically superior version looks blurry as shit. At least it's really hard to see the resolution difference like that.. When it should be fcking obvious! I mean 900p to 720p is a pretty solid downgrade right..
Also did Sony manage to ruin its advantage by having a bad capture solution for the console ? That would be so ironic..
It's like the best runner didn't bring the good shoes and ended in second place. Every detail of a launch counts..BloodMoney
Banned
One more example of why native resolution is king.
Despite rendering significantly more pixels, the PS4 image doesn't really show it... though there is no debating that the framerater performs better on the PS4, which is the trump card.
Despite rendering significantly more pixels, the PS4 image doesn't really show it... though there is no debating that the framerater performs better on the PS4, which is the trump card.
Sorry but many of us can't share your certainty considering DF's attitude the last few months.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
It's really disheartening that people on this forum are being fooled by the Xbone image pumping up the contrast or lowering the gamma to make the image pop.
Please educate yourselves. More contrast is NOT better if it is crushing brightness ranges and causing a LOSS of image detail.
Please educate yourselves. More contrast is NOT better if it is crushing brightness ranges and causing a LOSS of image detail.
I hope for MS sake that kinect takes off, a huge gamble was made on the hardware that's for sure. Near the end of this gen when developers are trying to eek out as much power as possible its going to be rough on XB1.
So much talk over the contrast of the images, but the elephant in the room is that the PS4 is pushing way more pixels and maintaining a lead on framerate. Even with the upclocks on XB1. Suppose dice were to drop the PS4 resolution down to 720p how many more effects could they cram in?
So much talk over the contrast of the images, but the elephant in the room is that the PS4 is pushing way more pixels and maintaining a lead on framerate. Even with the upclocks on XB1. Suppose dice were to drop the PS4 resolution down to 720p how many more effects could they cram in?
Ironic username aside.
Who cares what 'most people' can tell? Most people bought a Wii this generation. Most people don't give a shit about image quality. The question is if the individual can tell, and if so, if they care.
Actually, PS4 performing better is much more important to the player base I imagine. DICE should have gone for 720p on both, and just used the fillrate to have a more solid performance on PS4 I think.
We see its a landslide looking at textures and Aliasing, we know its a landslide purely from the stats, everyone actually seeing it for real says its a landslide, but your opinion surely is more valid than any of that.
I love mentioning your username in this topic btw.
BlazingDarkness
Member
PS4 version looks blurrier than Xbone one in various videos/screenshots. Make of that what you will.
The only video I can view is Videogamer and for me theres no doubts the textures look a lot better on the Xbox one, clearly better. Now I don't know if that video is representative but that how they look to me.
I don't get what the issue here is. "Visually" there isn't much difference. Performance-wise there is a noticeable difference (even more so taking resolutions into account)
Isn't that the exact same thing we had for the last half of this gen and were expecting this next gen?
I really don't expect any different going forward. PS4 versions will sell more. XBONE versions will be down 2 or 3 places on the charts. And in rare cases XBONE may even sell more (like you saw on ps3 this gen with Mortal Kombat, Etc)
Still glad for my PS4 preorder and I'll pick up XBONE in 3-4 years when it's under 250 and has a good library of 6-12 exclusives I want for it.
Isn't that the exact same thing we had for the last half of this gen and were expecting this next gen?
I really don't expect any different going forward. PS4 versions will sell more. XBONE versions will be down 2 or 3 places on the charts. And in rare cases XBONE may even sell more (like you saw on ps3 this gen with Mortal Kombat, Etc)
Still glad for my PS4 preorder and I'll pick up XBONE in 3-4 years when it's under 250 and has a good library of 6-12 exclusives I want for it.
Pseudo judo
Member
But the aliasing becomes the trade off and that might be a bitter pill for some.
If Sony has most of it's games at 1080P native X1's advantage here instantly become a disadvantage. I agree with you though, a great scaled and a minimum of 900P resolution could go a long way for MS's console
What point? no hardware scaler can make 720p look better than 900p or 1080p
cebri.one
Member
It looks like the PC one. Make of that what you will.
If it looks better, it looks better.
Americanmushroom
Banned
Just woke up, wow, what a mess lol.
So i'm confused.
Is this a capture problem or is the AA solution used for the PS4 version ruining its look ?
Cause guys i'm sorry, and sad about that but you can noticed and detail every superiority you want with your specialist eyes. From what i'm seeing there, and if it's showing what you can actually see in stores, people WILL manage to find the XBO version more sharp and impact full.
If anything that shows different devs decisions are still more important than tech. It's sad that the technically superior version looks blurry as shit. At least it's really hard to see the resolution difference like that.. When it should be fcking obvious! I mean 900p to 720p is a pretty solid downgrade right..
Also did Sony manage to ruin its advantage by having a bad capture solution for the console ? That would be so ironic..
Other caputirng method by D F. read last few pages
All journalists said ps4 looks better
PCGH.de actually explains rightaway why the PS3 version has such brightness level and it's because of the capture method. Unlike Eurogamer who has been doing this since the start of this gen and AFAIK they never mentioned anything about it.
You mean the PC version? Yes, PCGH.de again mentioned this in the video. The PC version you see isn't the final release build, but rather a "test" version.
How have you missed the first 50 pages? The PS4 version doesn't look blurrier. It's being compared to a version which has been artificially enhanced to keep up with the PS4 and PC version. Entire image being sharpened, a higher contrast and lower brightness/gamma level. Otherwise the PC version looks "blurrier" too.
SniperHunter
Banned
There will be a huge difference visually. 720p is too low
You can build something far more powerful than either console for $1300 USD.
It's funny how you appear to not have read any of these comments or the latest updates.
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Even PC version is not much better than PS4 build.
*sigh*
Game looks good on all platforms IMO.