FreddieQuell
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Cause people obviously don't like bots. Gotta spin it somehow.
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Titanfall has maximum player count of 12 (alongside AI) [Respawn comments post #558]
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Cause people obviously don't like bots. Gotta spin it somehow.
This is the point at which your thoughts become mostly irrelevant, since you are assuming this game is a sci fi + mechs version of whatever your favourite fps is, rather than looking at it for what it is.
Don't worry you're not alone, about 50% of the thread so far have done it.
I think having one character in an RTS is the dumbest idea someone could ever come up with, maybe I should go rage about DOTA or something... Oh wait it's not the same type of game as Starcraft 2.
Because bots implies human replacements, would you call these things bots?
Sentenza
Member
No, it's not. But it's not even implicitly worse.
Here's a shocking reveal: different games can have different ideal ideal balance on players count.
The playtesters of LoL were very firm about their opinion that denying shouldn't be in the game, even if it's a core mechanic of MOBA games. The playtesters of Dota 2 firmly believed denying should be in the game.
So obviously there are multiple ways to design a game even within the exact same genre.
Some prefer one way, other prefer another. I prefer MOBAs with denying, and I prefer multiplayer fps:es with a lot more players. And I'm not wrong automatically for not having the same opinion as the playtesters.
jakonovski
Member
I don't see how they can simultaneously make maps large enough for 12 titans but small enough for 12 humans. But I guess we shall see.
oconnomiyaki
Member
I'll preface this by saying it's not everyone, but there's an undercurrent of indignation that implies this is an restriction due to the hardware. Already debunked, but to some this is the new 720p.
BrokenIcarus
Member
6Vs6? Really?
I could've sworn I played it with ~20 players at gamescom
I'll reserve my final judgement for after release
I could've sworn I played it with ~20 players at gamescom
I'll reserve my final judgement for after release
Dreams-Visions
Member
maps aren't small, apparently. and with the speed humans move on foot and the presence of the titans and whatever else, the action is more than sufficient.
we'll all see soon enough.
The feel of 10v10.
Last reply for the night before I conk out;
Childish? Sorry if thats how it came off. It was meant a response to people somehow assuming they know our game balance far better than we do and that we're obviously making a huge mistake. Both Vince in a tweet, and myself in this thread, have said that we think people should just try it and form their opinions. If it doesn't match up with something you like? Ignore it and move on! Thats totally fine, and expected, since we don't think we're making some magical game from heaven than will appeal to everyone.
Perhaps its not the playercount in games like Halo that you don't like, but the game itself? Would adding more players magically have made Halo a game you love? I'm going to wager it wouldn't, since they do have some "larger" game types. The point is that adding more players to a finely designed game doesn't instantly make it better. Assuming it does is what I'd like to call "armchair game design". If that is offensive or childish to you I apologize, but its not meant to belittle anyone or their liking of large player count games.
Oh, and it wasn't playtesters who told us to do 6v6. It was those guys we have on staff called game designers, after playing thousands of hours with the entire company and taking feedback from everyone. We're all gamers here, and all our opinions are heard and used. Stuff like this isn't unilateral decisions from on high - we all want to be proud of the game we ship and enjoy playing it ourselves.
Marauder Shields
Member
Yeah I guess that makes sense.
Am very interested to see how the AI soldiers are implemented.
Opus Angelorum
Member
The hate is strong.
See to me that sounds way too high. 10v10 was where I thought it was aiming.
irishfansam
Banned
But COD is 6v6
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
Apparently a discussion about a video game happening on a video game discussion forum is a bad thing now.
I am getting so damn tired about people complaining like this all around Neogaf. Discussion should be encouraged around here, not discouraged.
FreddieQuell
Member
No one would ever mistake a creep for a hero. On the other hand, multiple people in this thread were under the impression that Titanfall would be more than 6v6 based off of trailers.
Clearly titanfall's bots can't do everything a human player can, they're gimped pilots. At this point it still feels disingenuous to me to not call them bots. More info or some hands on play could definitely change my mind, but that's the point I'm at now.
Waiting to actually experience something before commenting? What is this?
Don't read the first ~15 pages. Seriously, its a trash pit.
Funny. I'm sure his thoughts are pretty relevant his decision as to whether or not he should buy the game.
What is it then, Paz? Care to summarize? I see a class based shooter with mechs being marketed with the tagline "from the makers of Call of Duty." If there is some deep MOBA style metagame system, they haven't talked about it.
So you're going with willful ignorance? Completely ignoring everything the actual developers, all hands on impressions, and what press have said?
Rock on.
Not sure where you're getting this from. They have nothing in common with players. Different models, materials, animations, behaviors, abilities, etc.
A bot in FPS terms (dating back to Quake, maybe even earlier?) is a player being played by an AI. It's an AI that tries to play the game like a player would, in theory has access to all the same abilities, and "knows" it's playing a game. Like; a good quake bot would grab powerups and do rocket-jumps, it wouldn't pretend it was part of the imaginary game world.
(And it's not a bad word, it just doesn't apply to this game.)
People had to get all their kneejerk Titanfall vitriol out of the way, as usual, before the thread could actually give way to good discussion.
The Titanfall review thread is going to be something else, I can't wait. We're still two months out and every TF thread is crazier than the last. There's nothing like a good 20+ page Titanfall thread to keep my evening interesting, though.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Thing is with AI is that someone always eventually discovers a way to abuse their behaviour in ways the AI can't adjust/manage and certainly with an online game that information spreads quickly.
SomeOneInaHat
Member
I'm even more hyped now that this is going to be more focused on smaller encounters, and 6 player teams are exactly the right size for a coordinated squad. Focused action and high fidelity gameplay are bigger selling points than how many "rubber ducks" with guns we can fit on screen.
jakonovski
Member
I gotta say this is an unfortunate choice of words. If I try the game and don't like it, I'll be out of $60 for no benefit. Not exactly a winning combination.
iamnosuperman
Neo Member
It's exactly what has been shown so far, publicly playable at numerous events. A multiplayer FPS focused around a small set of players with amazing mobility, special capabilities tied to unique mech call-ins you earn from playing, and tons of AI controlled fodder that fill in the blanks. This is why people have had near universal praise for it, because it's fresh and interesting.
There are a ton of videos and previews out there, educate yourself.
FreddieQuell
Member
Willful ignorance, I guess that's one way to put it. How am I wrong the ai runs around the map, shooting players and other ai, getting shot, taking objectives, etc. But they're gimped in that they can't use titans or do parkour. Seems like a bot that got toned down from the full capability of a player character.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
People probably think that because that is exactly how Respawn has marketed the game from the very first reveal all the way to today.
No, those are creeps. Something that every player knows is a non-player character from the first minute they see the game. Even in other mobas that aren't out yet like Infinite Crisis, people they know the creeps of that game are creeps and not players.
The fact that everyone thought those bots were human in the Titanfall trailers is evidence enough that those are bots.
I will try the game and I will see if I like it not, of course. I haven't said more players makes a game instantly.
My point about Halo wasn't having too few players, it was that from looking at videos and reading about it I knew what aspects I wouldn't like (in the case of Halo it wasn't the number of players, not back then).
If your reply that is in first post would have been this post (that I'm qouting) I wouldn't have posted at all, but you were straight up calling out people in the post that is in the first post. Well you just said you are sorry if you came off in the wrong way, so all well I guess.
BrokenIcarus
Member
Nah, there were definitely more than 11 people with me in that room. I obviously didn't count it in the match but there was at least 18+ people in that room waiting to play
100% sure
That's one way to look at it, but I see it more as evidence that people weren't paying close enough attention.
user8503492
Banned
Can someone clue me into why a FPS with Mechs is a new amazing original groundbraking idea..?
I don't understand why everyone is so blown away by a small sided game with mechs? BF2142..KZ3..Starhawk..all with mechs, all..kinda terrible.
Is it because the CoD guys are doing it? Basically it could have been a FPS with Blimps and Unicycles and it be hyped due to who's making it?
I don't understand why everyone is so blown away by a small sided game with mechs? BF2142..KZ3..Starhawk..all with mechs, all..kinda terrible.
Is it because the CoD guys are doing it? Basically it could have been a FPS with Blimps and Unicycles and it be hyped due to who's making it?
That's probably a design decision to give you a false sense of accomplishment. "Oh look, I've killed 25 guys this round" - never mind that 18 of them were bots.
And I see many people justifying small player count by saying "oh it's 12 players and 12 titans". No it's not. Titan is not something that you will want to summon just to let it roam free. Goddamn, I want to drive the thing, not let it run free into the wild. So no, it's not 12 players and 12 titans. It's 12 players and MAYBE 1-2 free roaming titans. 12 roaming titans is a theoretical limit which will never happen.
UnluckyKate
Member
You're assuming that Titanfall operates on a standard K/D ratio scoreboard. Nothing we've seen from the game so far should give you any reason to assume that.
I'd say very quickly and how long before the spawns and patterns are predicted? I don't see why they couldn't have had players in these positions. Just have 2 classes. This is why I don't see it taking off as an eSport. Bots are predictable always have been and will for a long time. INB4 Bot camping 101 Videos.
They don't serve a larger purpose like say DOTA creeps. They are just fodder to make people feel happy about their K/D. They are a filler thats all.
How is he doing that? He just said it's about giving you a false sense of accomplishment, which seems to be exactly what it is. Don't need a scoreboard for that. If you feel you have killed 25 guys, but infact 18 of those are bots (oh wait we can't call them bots right); then that's a perfect case of false sense of accomplishment. Scoreboard or not.